Dearest ILFs, help me choose a topic for my paper for French Cinema

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More specifically, it's a film course focusing on French documentary, animation, and avant-garde. I have noooo idea what to write about (I was considering representations of homosexuality in avant-garde cinema but it would end up being a paper solely about Jean Genet).

HALP

Jomanda Lepore (Stevie D), Monday, 23 February 2009 18:57 (sixteen years ago)

^uh, Jean Cocteau also?

Dr Morbius, Monday, 23 February 2009 20:54 (sixteen years ago)

Eric is on a plane, or he could advise... do you have any interest in Chris Marker?

Agnes Varda? Marcel Ophuls?

Dr Morbius, Monday, 23 February 2009 20:57 (sixteen years ago)

then there's this guy, but you wdn't have DVDs to refer to:

http://filmlinc.com/wrt/onsale/fcs09/ingirumimusnocteetconsumimurigni.html

Dr Morbius, Monday, 23 February 2009 21:33 (sixteen years ago)

er..

my favorite french short anime

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x56k2h_antebios_creation

meisenfek, Monday, 23 February 2009 22:32 (sixteen years ago)

^uh, Jean Cocteau also?

more like jean cock two amirite???

and how (PappaWheelie V), Monday, 23 February 2009 22:41 (sixteen years ago)

two of the most impressive/intense films of the last....say, 20 years were made by Gaspar Noé:

first, watch

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0157016/
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjE3ODQ4MTM0Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwMjIxNDU5._V1._SX230_SY400_.jpg

and THEN

irreversible (2002)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0290673/

though its for sure avantgarde, you'll won't make a lot friends in your class with this one.
if you should dare to contrentate on this one, watch it alone in a dark room. at least for the first time. don't use the fastforward button. please. drink a little wine before.

meisenfek, Monday, 23 February 2009 22:56 (sixteen years ago)

forget the wine.

meisenfek, Monday, 23 February 2009 22:58 (sixteen years ago)

oh

http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/images/2557red.jpg

Le Ballon Rouge (Albert Lamorisse 1965)

meisenfek, Monday, 23 February 2009 23:05 (sixteen years ago)

Noe is rather awful.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 23 February 2009 23:05 (sixteen years ago)

I've already seen Irreversible. It's effective, no doubt, and quite good, but I wouldn't rate it with, say, Marienbad or Blue.

Jomanda Lepore (Stevie D), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 02:40 (sixteen years ago)

Oh, Guy Debord! My prof keeps namedropping him like it's going out of style. Debord, Bretton, 'dada', etc. etc.

Jomanda Lepore (Stevie D), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 02:41 (sixteen years ago)

Note that he also keeps telling us he has a huuuuge budget from the French dept that he has to spend, and that he'll order anything we need DVD-wise if we let him know

Jomanda Lepore (Stevie D), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 02:42 (sixteen years ago)

you're lucky!

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 02:53 (sixteen years ago)

Okay, so I was thinking about doing something on Jacques Rivette, primarily to give me an excuse to watch "Celine and Julie Go Boating", but I'd have to watch several films to write a paper, and they're all really long, and I have no idea how I'd write a paper so vague (A paper about Jacques Rivette), unless I talked about early French surreal/avant-garde cinema's influence on his works.

But I'm also thinking about doing a study of feminism/women filmmakers in French cinema, notably French avant-garde and nouvelle vague (Germaine Dulac, Agnes Varda, Chantal Ackerman, etc.).

What do you guys think?

Jomanda Lepore (Stevie D), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 01:01 (sixteen years ago)

Oh, Guy Debord! My prof keeps namedropping him like it's going out of style. Debord, Bretton, 'dada', etc. etc.

― Jomanda Lepore (Stevie D), Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:41 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

oh god. he really IS going out of style. fuck all of that stuff, imo, it isn't good cinema; it's a pretext for expounding on debord and breton's rubbish but art student-friendly politics.

real talk: do something about feuillade, surrealism, and the post-surrealist rediscovery of feuillade.

meme economist (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 01:04 (sixteen years ago)

I was actually considering doing something around Les Vampires, too. We've briefly discussed Feuillade in class as an early filmmaker; I didn't realize there were elements of surrealism.

Jomanda Lepore (Stevie D), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 01:18 (sixteen years ago)

this is the thing. there aren't!

but the surrealists repped for him, and then post-surrealists (clunky term but) like resnais rediscovered him and made him a Serious Canonical Filmmaker. which he had not been in the 1910s... because there wasn't really a canon at that point.

and then resnais's mate franju remade judex, in the 1960s. and then assayas borrowed from les vampires, in the 1990s.

cd be a project about appropriation and recuperation.

meme economist (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 01:21 (sixteen years ago)

Have you heard of Jean Rollin? A mixture of grindhouse exploitation and (knowingly) Surrealist dream-imagery that could only have happened in France. Very much influenced by Feuillade, too. Some way off becoming a Serious Canonical Filmmaker, though!

Soukesian, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 17:16 (sixteen years ago)

By a quirk of fate, Rollin's "La Viol Du Vampire" was the only domestic French production anyone could see during the '68 riots, and got a very strong reaction due to its general incoherence. Rollin was good friends with noted Surrealist film crit Ado Kyrou, and has acknowledged Surrealist painter Ado Kyrou as a major influence. You could make a pretty good case for an ongoing link Feuillade - Franju - Rollin - Assyas, and show people some damn entertaining movies.

Soukesian, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 20:44 (sixteen years ago)

^^ do that. id not heard of rollin, sounds dece.

meme economist (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 20:45 (sixteen years ago)

Sorry, Ado Kyrou was not a painter, meant to say Clovis Trouille. Nice blog on Rollin at requiemforjeanrollin.com

Soukesian, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 21:17 (sixteen years ago)

i'm allergic to Rivette except for his Joan of Arc.

def gonna catch some Debord this weekend after nrq's condemnation.

has anyone really ever said "appropriation" outside of a classroom?

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 21:27 (sixteen years ago)

that was the joke, cloth-ears. no-one says 'appropriation' either.

meme economist (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 21:37 (sixteen years ago)

yr academic injoeks are too impenetrable for me, Apateau.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 21:58 (sixteen years ago)

jean rouch?

moullet, Sunday, 1 March 2009 05:57 (sixteen years ago)

Eh, we've already watched Le Maitre Fous and parts of Chronique d'un Ete ; I don't have a desire to write an entire paper on him.

Jomanda Lepore (Stevie D), Sunday, 1 March 2009 18:03 (sixteen years ago)

But Les Maitres Fous blew me away.

Jomanda Lepore (Stevie D), Sunday, 1 March 2009 18:03 (sixteen years ago)

Noe is rather awful.

Noe is rather fashionable.

Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Sunday, 1 March 2009 18:06 (sixteen years ago)

rouch has some complicated relationship w/ surrealism iirc

special guest stars mark bronson, Sunday, 1 March 2009 18:06 (sixteen years ago)

I sort of like Chronicle of a Summer more than any New Wave film I've ever seen.

Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Sunday, 1 March 2009 18:07 (sixteen years ago)

like him a lot, though i think maitre fous and chronicle are the only two i've seen. narrowly missed la pyramide humaine on more than one occasion.

Judd Nelson (special guest stars mark bronson), Sunday, 1 March 2009 18:12 (sixteen years ago)

I think the only other Rouch I've seen is Moi un noir, which is also very good.

Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Sunday, 1 March 2009 18:15 (sixteen years ago)

OK, I saw 3-1/2 hrs of Debord yesterday and admittedly his "rubbish politics" are better than his cinema, but I like lots on aerial Paris photos in my philippics.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 2 March 2009 19:59 (sixteen years ago)

"But I'm also thinking about doing a study of feminism/women filmmakers in French cinema, notably French avant-garde and nouvelle vague (Germaine Dulac, Agnes Varda, Chantal Ackerman, etc.)."

Of course there's also Claire Denis, check out "Chocolat" for starters.

Also, in general, for kicks check out Jean-Jacques Beineix's "Diva", it's sure to entertain.

highschoolworld, Friday, 6 March 2009 06:37 (sixteen years ago)

i left the Debord marathon before this screening:

Hurlements capped a day-long marathon of Debord films organized by the editors of Film Comment magazine and presented, per the wishes of Debord's estate, in reverse chronological order. About 20 minutes into the screening, two people seated close to the screen started to audibly chatter (about what I'm not sure) during one of the film's silent passages. This prompted a patron seated near the back to loudly reprimand the talkers for disrespecting Debord's film. The talkers responded in kind by uttering a profane imperative and insisting that the blank screen wasn't really part of the movie. This was followed by another 30 minutes or so of relative quiet (during which several viewers filed into the lobby to report a projection problem), before more voices -- speaking in a fascinating babel of American, British, Indian and South African accents -- made themselves heard. "We could try holding our breath to see who lasts the longest," said one. "The whole point of this movie is to provoke discussion," reasoned another, in response to a second attempt to restore calm and order. Then, during the sustained final stretch of darkness, a voice from the middle of the theater endeavored to lead the audience in a group sing-a-long to Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA," followed by the 1915 union anthem "Solidarity Forever" (at which point the staunchly anti-union Debord may have gone from nodding in agreement to roiling in his grave).

http://blogs.laweekly.com/foundas/uncategorized/reflections-on-a-darkened-scre/

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 8 March 2009 15:07 (sixteen years ago)

hahahaha Apateau

We are all from Northampton now (caek), Sunday, 8 March 2009 17:30 (sixteen years ago)

Rollin Rollin Rollin we ain't slept in weeks

ⓔⓥⓞⓞ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 8 March 2009 17:32 (sixteen years ago)

what I've seen of rollin has been terrible stuff... maybe I haven't seen the right things tho

franju is genius

debord is great in an art stunt way, not in a sumptuous cinema experience way

鬼の手 (Edward III), Sunday, 8 March 2009 18:45 (sixteen years ago)


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