― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― ryan, Tuesday, 29 April 2003 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― dave k, Tuesday, 29 April 2003 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)
I'm not a fan, but this is a great point. Jackie Brown is the sort of thing I can imagine an aging alcoholic pulp writer coming up with. I think Tarantino is good at what he does, but his characterizations are so weak (and not helped by "novelty" casting) taht I can't really stomach his films. Definitely a good subject for a "trash-meets-high-art" style discussion though - he "wears all his influences on his sleeve", whether you think that's a good thing or not.
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)
I don't know, life is long, if he doesn't just retire to bathe in his money I think he might have a very interesting late career.
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)
Don't know about the alchohol, but Elmore Leonard is no spring chicken and he has written a bazillion books either about cowboys or criminals. Jackie Brown is taken from his book "Rum Punch". I think Tarantino gets some of his dialog style from Elmore Leonard.
Resevoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction are both quite a bit more cartoonish than most of Jim Thompson's books. I think those movies are more indebted to Starsky and Hutch or Superfly than most would admit. Mind you, the violence is intense as Thompson's books, but the settings are cop show, which is OK with me.
I'd like to see someone with some vision take a shot at Thompson's "The Killer Inside Me", that book could be the basis for a great movie.
Thompson could write for the movies. Check out Kubrick's "The Killing" and you will see what I mean. I thought "The Grifters" was a good adaption of one of his books.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 29 April 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)
I do enjoy his dialogue, though I think it's funny that after the release of Reservoir Dogs, critics said that his characters talked like some imaginary "everyman". Now, I'm from a white suburban middle-class English family - there's no way I ever speak like a Tarantino character!
Earlnash-you're right about Rum Punch. I totally forgot! :]
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)
I wonder John, what do you mean by this?
― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 13:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)
There are probably dozens of these I'll remember after I post this.
― slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)
What about XXX or The Matrix: Reloaded?
― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)
It's funny, before Jackie Brown I always thought that QT was doing George V. Higgins dialogue rather than Elmore Leonard, but I guess he's just read a ton of crime fic and a lot of it rubs off. I saw Jackie Brown again recently, and am more convinced than ever that it's his best film - a great romantic comedy, almost.
The director he most reminds me of is Kubrick - the early crime based thrillers, the increasing gap between making films, the problem w/ comedy and overripe performance, the formal symmetry of their shot-making. It's not a perfect match, of course - QT is much more of a humanist, and Tarantino's snobbery is expressed in ubergeek oneupmanship rather than Kubrick's intellectual contempt.
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)
I'd like to think so. Otherwise I'm kind of in trouble.
― slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― jones (actual), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)
I couldn't stomach the violence in Reservoir Dogs. I still haven't made it through the whole picture.
― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)
i'm not so sure qt's bio is mapped out start-to-finish (tho he is making two things back-to-back right now hmmm) - i think Jackie Brown was as much as anything a "but i can also do THIS" pre-emptive (and smart) response to the backlash that was bound to spring up from all the Boy Wonder hype post-Pulp Fiction. Over the long-term i expect his success/failure will depend almost entirely on this ability to keep ahead of the curve rep-wise, and that having to live down a few of the tricks that made him famous to begin with - the ones his legion of imitators can most easily pick up and possibly outrun him with - will be key. The same could be said of almost anyone obv but i think his particular predicament remains fairly unique right now, hiatus and all.
(i mention this partly cuz i predict the Kill Bill backlash will be enormous. the script is ok but it's an exploitation hommage played pretty by-the-numbers - possibly too nudgenudge genre-conscious for the NoMoPoMo crowd [if this "crowd" isn't just a phantom strawmob i've begun to channel thru ilx] on the one hand, and on the other hand slightly behind-the-times and dull as far as recent genre-commentary goes. Also if the teaser trailers are anything to go by it LOOKS dated - not in a kewl throwback way but in a Charlie's Angels three-years-ago way - the curse of the imitators again maybe)
(then again yes this could all be part of some masterplan designed to divert attention away from the coup de grace of the followup picture, who knows)
J0hn - Jackie Brown is worth renting, esp.if you're interested enough to have bought RD. I totally disagree with the "novelty casting" charge. This has probably been mentioned often enough to have become part of the official hype-parade by now but here goes anyway: the lead casting in JB sez loads more about tarantino's relationship with film than any of his whizkid camera-moves or script-mashups do. Giving enough of a damn abt the wasted potential/overlooked performances/??? of eg.Pam Grier and Robert Forster to write sharp, nuanced parts for them is exactly the kind of thing most of the nu-school film-on-film types can't pull off (well ok haha hello pt anderson i'll be with you shortly) - i mean even the Travolta/PF thing was like that at the time - i.e. totally NOT a "let's dress him up in disco clothes and point and laugh" move - and it's not QT's fault he turned back into a mockery of himself the first chance he got.
(also some of JB's growing-old-in-style theme [which is fun to watch auteur-champs grapple with as QT was positively bushy-tailed by hollywood standards at the time] [yet still managed to turn in a picture that got this element across without being TOTALLY ponderous about it (although hmm yes it sort of was)] can be read as a great big ILM metaphor if you get bored!!)
(ok that last part may not be true but there's a great minor "shopping for new music" scene that sez a hilarious eerie lot to me about my life)
― jones (actual), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)
haha in fact let me come at this another way: tarantino sux
― jones (actual), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― PVC (peeveecee), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)
this just occured to me: when he allows himself to come across like a COMPLETE filmgeek he lets in better surprises than when he concentrates on being a COOL filmgeek (if there is such a thing)
― jones (actual), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― jones (actual), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 00:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― jones (actual), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 01:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 07:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 10:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― ron (ron), Thursday, 1 May 2003 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)
Plus From Dusk To Dawn IS THE GREATEST FILM EVER MADE.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 11 September 2003 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 13 September 2003 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)
I missed (Tarantino's) boast about being the owner of the only repertory house in Los Angeles (i.e., the New Beverly) and how he'll "burn the place down" before he shows anything there with digital projection.
YAY, Tarantino = OLDS, you monkeys!
http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2010/02/gift_of_gab.php
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 February 2010 14:32 (fifteen years ago)
whos tarantino talking about in the beginning of that clip?
― max, Monday, 8 February 2010 14:51 (fifteen years ago)
ah pta apparently
― max, Monday, 8 February 2010 14:55 (fifteen years ago)
I dunno max, can't watch here
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 February 2010 15:02 (fifteen years ago)
he was talking about his 'rivalry' with pta i guess--and told a story about depalma finishing blow-up and feeling like he had really made a masterpiece, and then going to see raging bull
― max, Monday, 8 February 2010 15:06 (fifteen years ago)
Brett Ratner felt the same way after finishing Rush Hour 2 and then going to see The Fast and the Furious
― bee hand luke (latebloomer), Monday, 8 February 2010 21:30 (fifteen years ago)
the programming at the New Bev is kinda weak
― velko, Monday, 8 February 2010 21:33 (fifteen years ago)
I wonder why!
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 February 2010 21:41 (fifteen years ago)
obama probably
― aarrissi-a-roni, Monday, 8 February 2010 21:46 (fifteen years ago)
haaaaa
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 8 February 2010 21:47 (fifteen years ago)
i love how amateurist refers to a movie as a "picture." how many people still do that?
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 12 February 2010 03:26 (fifteen years ago)
my dad
― Michael B, Friday, 12 February 2010 10:19 (fifteen years ago)
MARTIN SCORSESE
(in the credits and posters of all his pictures)
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 February 2010 20:02 (fifteen years ago)
i'm done w/ IB thread, but
"Here's my problem with this whole influence thing," he told me. "Instead of critics reviewing my movies, now what they're really doing is trying to match wits with me...."
It's NO CONTEST, ASSHOLE
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 02:22 (fifteen years ago)
you should go to revival movie screenings in los angeles, morbs, tarantino can be seen hanging near the back at half of 'em just watching some old movies. you guys could bro down!
― ('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 02:28 (fifteen years ago)
I've seen Tarantino twice, randomly, in the past 3 years in NYC.
BUT I LIKE GOOD MOVIES
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 02:29 (fifteen years ago)
You both can discuss Rio Bravo, Weekend, and Angie Dickison's tittays put your nads in a twister.
― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 02:31 (fifteen years ago)
*how
“As far as I’m concerned, digital projection and DCPs is the death of cinema as I know it. It’s not even about shooting your film on film or shooting your film on digital. The fact that most films now are not presented in 35 millimeter means that the war is lost. And digital projections, that’s just television in public. And apparently the whole world is okay with television in public, but what I knew as cinema is dead.”
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 03:39 (ten years ago)
so finally you agree about something? idgi
― gbx, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 03:45 (ten years ago)
he & i agree on a TON of shit (Leone, Budd Boetticher, Eric Rohmer), just not on grindhouse garbage and the worthlessness of his own career in the last dozen years. I just thought it was notable that an ILX god could express such caveman OTM sentiments.
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 18:24 (ten years ago)
Don't think I'd read a word about this till I bought it on impulse today:
https://uncrate.com/assets_c/2022/06/cinema-speculation-tarantino-1-thumb-960xauto-147692.jpg
Suspect I'll end up disagreeing with every third sentence--it's on '70s films (heavily tilted towards American films, I assume, but I'm not sure)--but it should be entertaining.
― clemenza, Friday, 18 November 2022 17:58 (two years ago)
(ILF...the wilderzone.)
― clemenza, Friday, 18 November 2022 18:09 (two years ago)
He was on Stern today; haven't listened yet
― ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Friday, 18 November 2022 18:13 (two years ago)
So, uh, interesting choice with the Video Archives podcast he goes with Roger Avary. Season two dropped today and listening to the first episode, they get done talking about the first of three films and then, wham, there's the paywall. Apparently you get part of the episode for free now, but have to pay for the full thing. Which... is a choice, especially since this didn't seem to be announced anywhere before the new season started.
Judging by Reddit, this has pissed off quite a few people.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 29 October 2024 19:40 (six months ago)
Somewhat sympathetic to the idea that Avery and Gala might want to make some cash but, ya know, get one patreon.
I shouldn't complain tho because even as someone with a high tolerance for the guy I couldn't really do Video Archives more than an ep every other month or so.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 29 October 2024 22:26 (six months ago)
and then, wham, there's the paywall
but, ya know, get one patreon
here's the episode descrip in the rss:
On the Season 2 premiere of The Video Archives Podcast, Quentin & Roger catch their train -- but only by a Narrow Margin. Once comfortably in their cabin, they'll chat about where Gene Hackman and Anne Archer were in their careers, the gender role dynamics of the characters, and how their initial viewing of this movie influenced the future of film forever. Remember, folks: between the viewer and a film there is only ... a Narrow Margin.Then, on Patreon, Roger and Quentin continue the conversation with two more tapes pulled from the shelves of Video Archives. Next up is The "Human" Factor. Quentin and Roger chat about the important place this revengeamatic sits in the genre, a brief lesson on director Edward Dmytryk, and discuss the show stopping last ten minutes that need to be seen to be believed. Lastly, the guys head on over to Riverside, where the street violence is so out of control that we've no doubt reached the Killpoint. Featuring actors such as Leo Fong, Richard Roundtree, Cameron Mitchell, and Stack Pierce — you know this movie has Video Archives written all over it!
Then, on Patreon, Roger and Quentin continue the conversation with two more tapes pulled from the shelves of Video Archives. Next up is The "Human" Factor. Quentin and Roger chat about the important place this revengeamatic sits in the genre, a brief lesson on director Edward Dmytryk, and discuss the show stopping last ten minutes that need to be seen to be believed. Lastly, the guys head on over to Riverside, where the street violence is so out of control that we've no doubt reached the Killpoint. Featuring actors such as Leo Fong, Richard Roundtree, Cameron Mitchell, and Stack Pierce — you know this movie has Video Archives written all over it!
― Robespierre Delecto (sic), Wednesday, 30 October 2024 06:53 (six months ago)
Yes, a patreon where you provide bonus episodes, not one where you just cut up the format that was previously available for free - that's not how getting one patreon works.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 30 October 2024 09:21 (six months ago)
I’ve seen the “subscribe for uncut content” model before (including from ppl who had open access for years or decades previously). Patreon lets the user set a vast variety of pledge / perk / subscription / donation options, there’s not one single approach.
― Robespierre Delecto (sic), Wednesday, 30 October 2024 09:39 (six months ago)
i don’t remember tarantino & avary owing anybody anything
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 October 2024 10:04 (six months ago)
I'm here for podcasts about the Poppy Bush/Gene Hackman Pay-For-My-Divorce Interzone.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 October 2024 10:19 (six months ago)
I loved VA podcast too bad I can't listen to it anymore since he is a raging genocidal zionist stashing his kids away in a 3 million dollar condo in tel aviv.
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 30 October 2024 14:59 (six months ago)
“I loved Joker 2 when I saw it in Tel Aviv” is one of the more alarming things a person can say https://t.co/amQM2sIbcR pic.twitter.com/UCWBrbwBJT— Justin🦩Boldaji (@justinboldaji) October 29, 2024
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 30 October 2024 15:00 (six months ago)
That's where I am. Of course they don't owe anyone anything and they can choose to monetize the podcast however they want, but I think it's a shitty thing to do after a full season to suddenly paywall 2/3rds of the regular content that was previously free.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 31 October 2024 16:16 (six months ago)
I mean, Dan Savage, Throwing Fits, lots of others do it that way.
― bratwurst autumn (Eazy), Thursday, 31 October 2024 16:58 (six months ago)
I'd be much more interested in Avary and Tarantino trying to make money by teaming up again on a movie, even a terrible Pulp Fiction sequel set in space or something.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 31 October 2024 17:32 (six months ago)
^^^ What he said.
I listened to a lot of Season 1 but after listening to those two on the Bret Easton Ellis podcast I realized … I can’t deal with more of these two yelling over each other for hours on end, with Avary’s daughter awkwardly (to me) as a normal human being who has to find a physical copy of the movies. Timing, I guess, because no way am I paying for that even though it’s good to know they’re getting paid.
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 19 November 2024 00:27 (five months ago)
Avary having a normal one blaming the forest fires on "antifa sleeper cells" right now.
― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 9 January 2025 17:20 (three months ago)
roger and quenton are like active fucking morons. they sounded so stupid on rogan. never want to hear them talk about anything ever again tbh.
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 9 January 2025 18:13 (three months ago)
the bar where Mr orange tells his story to Joe and in PF the butch / Vincent Vega confrontation is the same right
― calstars, Sunday, 16 March 2025 22:34 (one month ago)