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We will find out over the next five hours whether Captain Bligh is still in effective control of the abovementioned vessel, or if the Martyn incident has dragged a few Fletcher Christians out of the woodwork.

Australia's interest in their first innings effectively ended then (Steve may as well have declared at the fall of his own wicket, or even two balls earlier) and their efforts in the field weren't always 100% convincing. A feeble batting effort now and the brown stuff will really hit the fan.

(Langer 0, out. 1 for 6.)

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Plenty of mutineers around this site, Fred.

shortie would be a shoo-in for the Fletcher Christian role.

― pieman (pieman), Monday, 8 December 2003 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

VoR would be the cabin boy who visits Bligh's room late night but then tells the mutineers he is with them.

― R. Darling, Monday, 8 December 2003 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

VoR cabin boy on the bounty...makes a change from having bounties placed on his noggin...old sheridan could be well satisfied...the wozzies have performed well...while the team has let down by the 4 dubbers and the two billies (tho Unit caught well)

― horace, Monday, 8 December 2003 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

The ABC Forum's 'Orca in a Sardine Can', our old mate OP, has just said Australia should go for victory like the NZ game two years ago and 'they love running through brick walls for Steve'.

As Tony Squires might say, eerrrrr....yeah.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Hades out, for 99.

A two-hour partnership between Marto and the next bloke in would be very therapeutic for all kinds of reasons.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

And they should hug after every over successfully negotiated.

― Poseiden (Poseiden), Monday, 8 December 2003 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Waugh slashes hard through 3rd man for 4.

This season, letting Steve get off the mark has been quite a serious mistake.

So far, this pair have not had to attempt a run.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 03:42 (twenty-one years ago)

W and M ran two twos and a single in straightforwatd fashion, then Waugh tried to do a Hayden but missed deep-square-leg's throat, for his second slightly dodgy boundary.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

For some reason they are now crabbing it after looking like they wanted to set a target. Maybe they're biding their time before the final onslaught? 97 ahead with 50 overs left, so if they could get (say) another 120 off the next 20 overs, that would leave India 218 to get off 30... leaves both teams in with a shout, with India slightly favoured.

― ojitarian (ojitarian), Monday, 8 December 2003 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

You have a plan to get set and then accelerate. Two new batsmen at the crease means another few overs to get set again.
In reality though a deficite of 80 and only 80 overs left in the day means that there can only be one winner of this test match- and it ain't Australia.

I think the only reason Ponts and Haydos were going for it was to wrest back some of the psycological points gained by India in the last few days.

― Poseiden (Poseiden), Monday, 8 December 2003 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Won't happen OJ. If Steve wanted to set a target we'd have seen Gilly in by now.

Martyn is still batting OK though. The diving-boots footwork of last season seems to have gone.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think even a bloke with the rhinoceros hide of Steve Waugh would be rocking too many boats with viagra-fuelled declarations right now, especially if a certain batsman with the initials D.M. is not out anywhere near 50 or 100.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I figured as much about Ponting and Hayden. Would be nice to see the rest of the Aussies slap Harbajhan and co. around a little more, but I guess it isn't going to happen. Let's hope the bowlers (Dizzy apart) can do a better job in Adelaide.

― ojitarian (ojitarian), Monday, 8 December 2003 04:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Good point about Gilly, Fred.

― ojitarian (ojitarian), Monday, 8 December 2003 04:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, maybe SRW could run himself out. Turnabout is fair play and all that.

― ojitarian (ojitarian), Monday, 8 December 2003 04:19 (twenty-one years ago)

"that would leave India 218 to get off 30... leaves both teams in with a shout, with India slightly favoured."

That would leave Australia with no chance and India with some chance and the draw still heavily favoured.
India just batted for over 100 overs. What would lead you to believe Australia had any realistic chance of bowling them out in 30?

To declare when you are in a position that gives the other side a far greater chance of victory than you yourself have would be plain stupid, especially in the first test of a series. Captain Viagra, has however, done this before.

― powwow, Monday, 8 December 2003 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

If Steve Waugh sees a possible Australian win by any method in this match, he's swapped the viagra for LSD.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

True Fred, but Hayden and Ponting were presumably batting to instructions. HIgh risk stuff - especially with this team where the batting strength lies in the top three.

In all seriousness, India are still a chance in this game. Slight, but some chance. Get the last 7 wickets in the next 20 overs and have some sort of target to chase. 150 odd off 20 odd overs.

― powwow, Monday, 8 December 2003 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Good points. I guess I was thinking that India's batsmen may (at least initially) try to attack a target. I agree that 30 overs would never be enough though, since conditions still seem good for batting.

My point exactly. :-)

― ojitarian (ojitarian), Monday, 8 December 2003 04:27 (twenty-one years ago)

'Laurel and Hardy' have just added 50 runs together.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 04:31 (twenty-one years ago)

They're bith finding fieldsman a bit at the mo.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 04:35 (twenty-one years ago)

They will need around 70 each in the last session. Not all that likely IMHO, with an early finish likely.

― ojitarian (ojitarian), Monday, 8 December 2003 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Glenn Mitchell is talking up Waugh's chances of a ton in this innings. Not a whisper of his WA compatriot Martyn doing the same, despite the fact that Martyn is batting the better at the moment and has gone chanceless.
But a Martyn ton would be a meaningless 2nd Innings one in a game petering to a draw that wouldn't stop the calls for his position in the side to be examined.
Waugh's would be a fantastic final addition to his swansong.

― Poseiden (Poseiden), Monday, 8 December 2003 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Would have been nice to see Laurel and Hardy walking off the field together at tea, having batted reasonably well together and (most importantly) stayed out of each other's way, but I suppose that sort of folksy bullshit is all a bit boring for TGW.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 04:44 (twenty-one years ago)

"folksy bullshit"
LOL

― Poseiden (Poseiden), Monday, 8 December 2003 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Waugh red-ink conspiracy theorists prepare for the worst:

Any score of 40 or more undefeated in this innings will gaurantee Steve a final career average of 50. He's now on 41.

Declare, you idiot! Or 'grab the hammy' and send Gilly out, he needs a hit.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

50 to Marto. Well played.

― ojitarian (ojitarian), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:23 (twenty-one years ago)

hope Marto gets 100. He is my trump in Nath's competition ...

― pieman (pieman), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:32 (twenty-one years ago)

The way they're going at the mo either of them will be lucky to reach 80 before Rudi and Steve say school's out and tells the kiddies to all go home...

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"hope Marto gets 100". Only if he remembers Newton's 3rd Law of Physics: A koala in motion will remain in motion until he gets to the other end.

p.s. best wished with the old fella tomorrow night but I don't know how they two of you are going to find a 37 year old out on the town with her great great grandmother

― horrette, Monday, 8 December 2003 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)

If they call it off half an hour early, that leaves just under an hour's play, or 3 overs according to the Indian over rate.

― ojitarian (ojitarian), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:40 (twenty-one years ago)

50 to Waugh.

Well batted both of them.

They've each hit a six this over from Nehra. Martyn's missed the com box by about 2 metres.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:40 (twenty-one years ago)

ggrrr@at my koala voodoo doll...

― horace, Monday, 8 December 2003 05:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Fred, are we watching a different game or is Cricinfo just slow and/or incorrect? They show a four and a six off Sehwag's last over, not Nehra.

― ojitarian (ojitarian), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:45 (twenty-one years ago)

now now horette....I amsure there are heaps of cuties in the north - pity you can't come Horette...if townsville is Ippy with palm trees, what is Cairns?

― horace, Monday, 8 December 2003 05:47 (twenty-one years ago)

They've declared.

Oh shit.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Captain Viagra strikes again... one can only assume he wants to (try to) knock some confidence out of the Indian batsmen before the second Test. He can't possibly think Australia has a chance of winning.

― ojitarian (ojitarian), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Chopper and Scumbag opening. First indication: Gangles hasn't swallowed the bait.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Steve has done something which might explode in his face, and guess who's just returned from outer space onto Nath's forum?

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Both openers GAWN... Bracken on a hat-trick... 2/4!

― ojitarian (ojitarian), Monday, 8 December 2003 06:08 (twenty-one years ago)

'Steve has done something which might explode in his face, and guess who's just returned from outer space onto Nath's forum?'...

and returned from whence he came just as suddenly.

Wild speculative theory #16720: ccc is waboy with his spellchecker turned on.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 06:21 (twenty-one years ago)

LOL... MacGill comes in to the attack, the pressure goes off.


   5.2 MacGill to Dravid, FOUR, overpitched again and this time driven to
        the long on boundary
   5.1 MacGill to Dravid, FOUR, pitched up and sent out to the boundary at
        cover point

― ojitarian (ojitarian), Monday, 8 December 2003 06:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously what is the point of this declaration.

What was it 200 off 23 overs, so they would need to score at about 9 an over. NOt very likely, but certainly possible. Getting 10 wickets in 23 overs would be a once in 100 year possibility. Even England could bat out 23 overs on a turning pitch against Murali and co.

There is an awful lot to lose, i.e the game and very little to win - a minor psychological advantage in game which India has had the better of anyway.

― powwow, Monday, 8 December 2003 06:26 (twenty-one years ago)

MacGill: 2 overs, 21 runs. What an outstanding bowler he is.

― ojitarian (ojitarian), Monday, 8 December 2003 06:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess you could also say:
"What was the point of batting out the remaining 25 overs and sending the game to a dull draw"?

Just because it hands the advantage to India doesn't necessarily mean it's a stupid decision. Some might even call it courageous.

Long live aggressive test captaincy, I say.

― Poseiden (Poseiden), Monday, 8 December 2003 06:39 (twenty-one years ago)

There is a difference between courage and fool-hardy. THis falls into the latter catagory.

― powwow, Monday, 8 December 2003 06:43 (twenty-one years ago)

21 off every two overs from here on in, and India would still only squeak home. That's how atrociously all the bowlers would need to bowl for India to win.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 06:44 (twenty-one years ago)

8 wickets in 14 overs. That's how well they would have to bowl.

They are far more likely to bowl that bad, than that well.

― powwow, Monday, 8 December 2003 06:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Bichel on. (closes eyes, puts fingers in ears)

― ojitarian (ojitarian), Monday, 8 December 2003 06:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Question: Why did people want Steve Waugh to declare the Australian Innings closed at 4-5 down for less than 300 in the first innings?

Answer: Khan was bowling beautifully and ripping through the Australian middle order, prompting scribed to proclaim that Gillespie would have been doing even better.

Moral: Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

If Australia lose this due to the declaration then it was a foolhardy decision. But the loss will be due to the bowling/good batting, not the declaration.
If Australia take 5 wickets and have India scrambling to bat out the game, the declaration will be seen as a masterstroke to give Australia the psycological advantage after having been on the backfoot for the last few days of this test.

― Poseiden (Poseiden), Monday, 8 December 2003 06:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Who was calling for a declaration in first innings?

― powwow, Monday, 8 December 2003 06:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, confusing the crowd from C4 with people knowing something about cricket.

― Poseiden (Poseiden), Monday, 8 December 2003 06:49 (twenty-one years ago)

ANyway, what kind of gamble is this? Risk match to gain a pyschological advantage.

― powwow, Monday, 8 December 2003 06:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Fortunately powwow, it is illegal for Steve to bowl MacDill from bith ends.

(And he would have checked to make sure...)

Furthermore Poss, if India finish 7 wkts down the Osama the Koala set will be bagging Waugh for being a gutless weak sod and not declaring earlier.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 06:51 (twenty-one years ago)

It has nothing to do with Osama Koala, Fred. This is a stupid bit of captaincy. He "has swapped Viarga for LSD." I couldn't have put it better.

THe only psychological advantage to be gainned from this exercise is reassuring the Australian team and public that they will not be losing anything with Waugh's immenent depature.

― powwow, Monday, 8 December 2003 06:55 (twenty-one years ago)

It is a bit of a concern that Steve, like Gareth Evans, is doing a lot of things that seem a good idea at the time.

Run rate now 13 per over. Tripe at both ends and they're still losing ground.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 06:57 (twenty-one years ago)

THe only psychological advantage to be gainned from this exercise is reassuring the Australian team and public that they will not be losing anything with Waugh's immenent depature.
I'm sure all those watching at the 'gabba feel the same way.

― Poseiden (Poseiden), Monday, 8 December 2003 07:00 (twenty-one years ago)

In fact he probably lost any momentum when asking MacGill and Bichel to bowl after a nice opening by Bracken.

― Poseiden (Poseiden), Monday, 8 December 2003 07:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll go to the test next week and give S. Waugh a huge ovation for services down over the last 17 years. I do, nonetheless, believe that the team will be better off without him - just like the one-day team has been.

― powwow, Monday, 8 December 2003 07:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Maiden to Bracken after the last four balls of Bichel's last over were scoreless.

The fat lady has done her breathing exercises, is picking up her music sheet....

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 07:04 (twenty-one years ago)

By making the declaration he showed he had confidence in his team, right down to that kid with the dodgy form in his first Test, who scored the new ball, and found himself on a hat-trick.

Until MacGill came on Australia were the more likely team to win. Now there's no chance for either side, just like back two hours ago when Steve was grinding out another pretty meaningless ton.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 07:10 (twenty-one years ago)

And that is all. Goodbye, farewell and Amen.

(I think today this form may have had the most traffic. I'll check later. See ya fellas, thanks for a good day.)

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 07:12 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a draw. nothing lost.

A pyschological advantage is entirely hypothetical. A loss is real. At the time of the declaration, the most likely result was a draw followed by an Indian win. Why would the Australian captain declare at that point?

Wrote this whilst yours was going up, Fred.

Cya. This forum is good for immediate dicussion and disagreement!

― powwow, Monday, 8 December 2003 07:15 (twenty-one years ago)

It's all over, with the only result from the declaration being more bleats from the Waugh hachet men.

No points to either side really, only the ridiculous summation that India weren't 'overwhemled'.

― Poseiden (Poseiden), Monday, 8 December 2003 07:16 (twenty-one years ago)

'Gillespie and MacGill bowled well, Bracks bowled well in patches and Bich tried hard...' (Waugh)

No need to take your bat with you to Adelaide, Andy, but don't forget the orange-paring knife....

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)

a new nickname for Bichel ... Agent Orange.

― pieman (pieman), Monday, 8 December 2003 08:09 (twenty-one years ago)

:-) at pieman.

― ojitarian (ojitarian), Monday, 8 December 2003 09:11 (twenty-one years ago)

"Wild speculative theory #16720: ccc is waboy with his spellchecker turned on."

Lol@Fred

― chrisso, Monday, 8 December 2003 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Nobody's mentioned this so far, but a long, fairly important partnership between Waugh and Martyn might have answered a few Mike Monro-style questions about team harmony (which I admit I had at the start of the day) before they were asked.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 8 December 2003 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Nobody in that team is going to disrupt the old Koala's last hurrah, they have too much respect for him.

Though the question remains as to whether he deserves it. ;-)

― tailender (tailender), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

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