carp
― autogoon delight (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 3 October 2009 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link
his ERA/WHIP by month is crazy
0.00/0.70 0.95/0.74 3.67/0.89 1.75/1.22 2.20/1.00 2.75/1.19
― autogoon delight (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 3 October 2009 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link
it's so hard to say. if carp pitched the entire season it'd be his (assuming he pitched just as good) - but i could go with either one personally.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Saturday, 3 October 2009 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link
or, you know, Lincecum. (who has a whisker lead in VORP)
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 3 October 2009 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link
ERA - Carp - 2.24WHIP - Haren - 1.00! (Carp with 1.01)Ks - Lincecum - 261K/BB - Haren - 223/38W - Wainwright - 19-8BA - Lincecum - .206
all the non-stathead stats you can pick are split pretty evenly. (except for maybe Wainwright)
xpost. ok was wondering when vorp etc was gonna come up
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Saturday, 3 October 2009 22:43 (fourteen years ago) link
any Strength of Opponents stats?
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 3 October 2009 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link
:|
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Saturday, 3 October 2009 23:05 (fourteen years ago) link
well, when it's this close you look at everything.
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 3 October 2009 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link
is VORP park-adjusted and SOS-adjusted?
What about Pitching Runs Created?
― ♪♫(●̲̲̅̅̅̅=̲̲̅̅̅̅●̲̅̅)♪♫ (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 3 October 2009 23:45 (fourteen years ago) link
CC in a walk
― sanskrit, Sunday, 4 October 2009 00:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Carpenter
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Sunday, 4 October 2009 07:25 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^
― velko, Sunday, 4 October 2009 07:31 (fourteen years ago) link
If Wainwright wouldn't have gotten totally screwed the last time he pitched (he left the game in the 7th, up 5-0, and the bullpen managed to blow it) he would've made it to 20 wins. Wins alone shouldn't determine the winner, of course, but I do think a lot of voters see 20 wins, with the nearest competitors at 17W and 15W and just go for the 20-game winner.
Watching Wainwright pitch this season, it seems like he's gotten screwed several times this season. And I just noticed espn's "tough loss" stat, which measures the amount of times that a pitcher loses despite a quality start (6 full innings, 3 earned runs or less). Turns out that Wainwright had 6 Tough Losses this season, putting him up near the top in the NL. Lincecum and Haren ere up there too, with 5, while Carp only had 2.
So, in hypothetical world, assuming half of each pitcher's Tough Losses were instead Wins, and the other half remained as Losses, the W/L stats would look like this:
Wainwright: 6 22-5Carpenter: 2 18-3Lincecum: 5 18-4Haren: 5 17-7
(I was nice with Lincecum and Haren and translated 3 of their 5 Tough Losses into Wins)
― The World's Biggest Christ (Z S), Sunday, 4 October 2009 17:22 (fourteen years ago) link
The other thing is that pitchers for last place teams don't generally have a chance unless they pull off a Steve Carlton. Haren was great this year, but it wasn't a legendary season or anything.
I could see Lincecum possibly winning this if the Giants had come closer to making the playoffs. But as it stands, it's Wainwright vs Carp, I think. And as a big Cards fan, I can't really decide.
― The World's Biggest Christ (Z S), Sunday, 4 October 2009 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link
You can make an argument for any of the top 3, just like you could make it for TL or Johan last year.
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 October 2009 17:40 (fourteen years ago) link
One more argument for Wainwright. He led the NL in innings pitched, and then there's this: 12-1 on the road, and 7-7 at home despite a 2.05 ERA in 19 home starts. I think he'll win the Cy Young, and I think he just deserves it (barely) over Carp, too.
― The World's Biggest Christ (Z S), Sunday, 4 October 2009 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Sunday, 4 October 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Monday, 5 October 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
zero votes for Wainwright! Huh.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Monday, 5 October 2009 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link
[16:13] harrylimearl: do me a favor, post in the " The best NL pitcher in 2009 was..." thread and mention that i said morbs is a sack of shit for leaving javy vasquez off the poll[16:13] harrylimearl: vazquez
― ♪♫(●̲̲̅̅̅̅=̲̲̅̅̅̅●̲̅̅)♪♫ (Steve Shasta), Monday, 5 October 2009 23:31 (fourteen years ago) link
who's that, Keith Law?
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 01:18 (fourteen years ago) link
oh, I know who it was. The dead should lie down.
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Lincecum 7My sockpuppets!
― Super Smize (Leee), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 04:10 (fourteen years ago) link
looks like your sockpuppets have proliferated!
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 19 November 2009 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link
love it
― jØrdån (omar little), Thursday, 19 November 2009 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link
shut it small bear
― bnw, Thursday, 19 November 2009 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link
― ♪♫(●̲̲̅̅̅̅=̲̲̅̅̅̅●̲̅̅)♪♫ (Steve Shasta), Monday, October 5, 2009 6:31 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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lol law voted vazquez second -_-
― chillwave dudes get washed out, totally (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 November 2009 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link
i may go shasta and start cherry picking random mediocre park adjusted stats for lincecum
― bnw, Thursday, 19 November 2009 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link
: D
― jØrdån (omar little), Thursday, 19 November 2009 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link
lol klaw fucking owns
― NEW YORK DESERVED 9-11 (cankles), Thursday, 19 November 2009 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0DkrZEykZFk/R_qX9p4WUTI/AAAAAAAABuI/vi99cqiNGoA/s400/gadgetclaw.jpg
― NEW YORK DESERVED 9-11 (cankles), Thursday, 19 November 2009 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link
bnw, you knows it.
but having 2 cards against each other totes cannabilized each other's chances. sux2bu
― ♪♫(●̲̲̅̅̅̅=̲̲̅̅̅̅●̲̅̅)♪♫ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 19 November 2009 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link
3-way tie woulda been best, as wd Lincecum-Johan last year
― Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 November 2009 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link
sux2bu2
― ♪♫(●̲̲̅̅̅̅=̲̲̅̅̅̅●̲̅̅)♪♫ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 19 November 2009 23:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Lincecum has his own favorite indicator.
"To say which one I look to the most, I would just say WHIP," he said, referring to walks plus hits allowed per inning, "just because you just limit the amount of baserunners that can hurt you."
― Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 November 2009 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link
flawed cuz if you give up HRs versus groundball gappers, each counts as a "hit".
what is your preferred metric Morbs, PRC (err PRA)?
― ♪♫(●̲̲̅̅̅̅=̲̲̅̅̅̅●̲̅̅)♪♫ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 19 November 2009 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't have *a* preferred metric. Lincecum is first among equals cuz he had an unluckier BABIP than Carpenter and 10.42 K/9. Good nuff.
― Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 November 2009 00:09 (fourteen years ago) link
http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2009/11/19/mn-giants19_236__0500863658.jpg
― windy = white, carl = black (polyphonic), Friday, 20 November 2009 06:39 (fourteen years ago) link
http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2009/11/19/ba-giants19_052__0500863649.jpg
i would smoke so much weed with timmy
― chillwave dudes get washed out, totally (J0rdan S.), Friday, 20 November 2009 06:48 (fourteen years ago) link
snape kills dumbledore
― bnw, Friday, 20 November 2009 06:51 (fourteen years ago) link
http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20091026/425.precious.carey.mariah.lc.102309.jpg
― jØrdån (omar little), Friday, 20 November 2009 07:02 (fourteen years ago) link
http://us.ent2.yimg.com/musicfinder.yahoo.com/images/yahoo/virgin/iggy_pop/iggypop1.jpg
― Mark C, Friday, 20 November 2009 12:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Buck Martinez on ESPN 101: "I worked with Keith Law in Toronto and he doesn't have a grip on anything." Is that, like, a shot?
http://twitter.com/miklasz/status/5891968780
Buck Martinez!
― Andy K, Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:02 (fourteen years ago) link
What the hell, Bernie Miklasz likes Animal Collective?
― windy = white, carl = black (polyphonic), Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:08 (fourteen years ago) link
but unlike Buck, Law can still show is face in Toronto.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:17 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.101espn.com/post/26682_the_fast_lane_show_note_thursday_111909
law explains, condescends, gets yelled @ in 3rd clip
(i am fine with lincecum but law is pretty wtf) (bernie has pretty good taste in general)
― bnw, Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link
sports talk nimrods don't get condescended to enough
klaw's a dickhead but he always backs his arguments up soooo
― farting irl (cankles), Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:29 (fourteen years ago) link
haha i didnt even realize d'marco farr was a drivetime radio guy now. makes sense, he's gabby and was on the last good rams teams.
― farting irl (cankles), Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:32 (fourteen years ago) link
sports talk radio is 97% 'tards
― jØrdån (omar little), Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/Lily_Tomlin%20-%2006%20-%20A_Prairie_Home_Companion.jpg
― velko, Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link
gawd klaw is such a prick. if i ever see him in the fresh pond whole foods it's on.
― omaha deserved 311 (call all destroyer), Saturday, 21 November 2009 01:18 (fourteen years ago) link
vazquez's k/bb numbers this year were pretty incredible (haren too)
― bread has no effect on you (ciderpress), Saturday, 21 November 2009 02:39 (fourteen years ago) link
BBWAA increases Cy ballot to 5 spots!
http://bases.nbcsports.com/2009/12/bbwaa-changes-cy-young-ballot-adds-forman.html.php
― Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 12 December 2009 16:14 (fourteen years ago) link
thank god -- now they can keep that goddamn hippie from winning the cy
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 12 December 2009 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link