MANNY RAMIREZ: BEST PLAYER

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http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3644816

eman, Sunday, 19 October 2008 06:18 (fifteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

The Red Sox made the playoffs but eventually lost to the Tampa Bay Rays in the American League Championship Series. Would they have won it all with Ramirez?

"Probably," Ortiz said. "I'm not going to lie to you, probably."

mizzell, Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:20 (fifteen years ago) link

danggg

Tracer Hand, Friday, 14 November 2008 12:55 (fifteen years ago) link

gotta <3 scott boras...

LA made a $45M/2yrs with a $15M third-year option which expires today and neither Boras nor Manny even responded to or acknowledged the offer... save for Boras' comment that they will start examining "serious offers" starting today.

Dude is 36 and this would be the 2nd highest per year salary in the history of MLB. Boras said he wants 6 years. No wonder he was unhappy in Boston.

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 14 November 2008 14:38 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

http://blog.nj.com/mets/2009/01/manny_rumors_highlight_mets_gl.html

Dr Morbius, Friday, 30 January 2009 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...

$45M/2 years rejected again.

Coletti's calling Boras' bluff on other "serious offers".

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 27 February 2009 15:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Good for Coletti. I don't have anything against Manny personally, but I hope he gets punished in the wallet for ever shaking Boras' hand.

WmC, Friday, 27 February 2009 15:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Neyer had something up the other day that boiled down to "the other GMs have decided that he quit on the Red Sox"

Dr Morbius, Friday, 27 February 2009 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3938665

Boras sets the record straighter.

Alex in SF, Friday, 27 February 2009 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link

yep, Neyer today appended that -- "Now we learn that the Dodgers' most recent offer apparently included deferred money. A lot of deferred money. Which changes the tenor of this discussion. A lot."

Dr Morbius, Friday, 27 February 2009 15:53 (fifteen years ago) link

So it sounds like this most recent offer was actually $10 million for year one, and another $35 million ($10 million of which was supposedly for year one) if he exercised his option for year two? If so, it is not surprising he turned that down.

That sounds worse than the previous offer of $25 million for one year and only slightly better than $45 million for two years. I don't know how to compare it to the offer before that ($15 million for the 2009 season, $22.5 million in 2010 and a $7.5 million buyout or $22.5 million club option for 2011) but it sounds worse than that one, too.

felicity, Sunday, 1 March 2009 11:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't understand the Dodgers fascination with deferred money in light of the economic situation. The deals for Furcal, Jones, Hudson and now Manny are all back loaded. I hope it ends up making sense instead of constructing some fucked up house of cards like the Diamondbacks built for themselves a couple years ago.

mayor jingleberries, Sunday, 1 March 2009 20:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Manny went back to the Dodgers saying he would play for $25 million this year, with a player option for $20 million in 2009 and McCourt turned it down, reports the LA Times.

felicity, Wednesday, 4 March 2009 00:50 (fifteen years ago) link

That seems like a pretty fair deal imo.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 00:52 (fifteen years ago) link

It's basically the same deal minus the deferred money.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 4 March 2009 00:54 (fifteen years ago) link

END

NOW

SOMEONE

PLEASE

Andy K, Wednesday, 4 March 2009 01:05 (fifteen years ago) link

is anybody else vaguely interested in Manny? and don't say the Giants.

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 01:45 (fifteen years ago) link

ESPN bottom line just scrolled that he's signed with the dodgers for 2 yr $45 million

burt_stanton and ernie (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 01:48 (fifteen years ago) link

could it be over?

'event horizon' director paul WS anderson (omar little), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 01:51 (fifteen years ago) link

From the future!

http://www.latimes.com/media/thumbnails/columnist/2008-12/267119-19093537.jpg
T.J. Simers
March 4, 2009

From Phoenix -- The phone rings, and the voice sounds familiar, the giggle unmistakable.

"It's me," Manny Ramirez says, "your girlfriend."

What a goof, just what made him so endearing a year ago in making the Dodgers relevant in L.A. once again, the last time we spoke yet another joke closing out his stay in town: "Gas is up and so am I."

Reminded now, he laughs. "No, gas isn't up any more, but the price of milk is the same."

Take a few minutes, and while at first it doesn't always make sense what the goof has to say, usually there's a message very close to the truth in there.

Due to earn $40 million over the final two years of his contract with Boston, he knows now it's not going to be much different if he signs with the Dodgers.

"Two years is fine with me," he says, and whoever thought they would hear that from Manny Ramirez?

He will turn 37 this season and had hoped for four or five years to take him to the end of his career, but now he says, "the economy is making me adjust. That's just the way it is."

But some folks, and they don't all live in Boston, believe he won't be happy with such a contract given his earlier expectations, and therefore won't put out.

"I cannot control what people might think," Manny says. "The economy is making everyone adjust. I will be happy to play for L.A., win and win a couple Gold Gloves just like Andruw Jones."

At least he didn't say, "hit like Andruw Jones."

Manny's goofiness doesn't always play well in baseball, a game filled with so many serious folks, including many who make their living writing about the sport.

But in his time with the Dodgers, it became clear to those who hardly knew him previously, he's dedicated to working hard in order to hit the baseball hard with regularity.

The debate continues whether he is more into himself than his team, but inside the Dodger locker room it's unanimous -- unless someone is keeping quiet -- how much he meant to everyone on the team last season.

The Dodgers look solid and deeper in the infield this year, have an outstanding catcher and two key contributors in the outfield, but might need time, a miracle or a whole bunch of key hits again from Manny to compensate for a shaky starting rotation and bullpen.

But then how happy will Manny be after forcing his exit from Boston and playing at a level never seen before in L.A. only to fall so short in contract demands?

"You're not listening to me," he says. "I've looked at the big picture from every different angle and life is too short to be mad. I've already made a ton of money and now it's just about negotiating a deal. It's what happens in sports.

"As long as I'm alive, I'm happy. I'm sitting here in my house by the water, drinking a Margarita, dark glasses on and I'm in a good place. I'm in pretty good shape, too, playing with my three kids all the time."

He says he knows some people -- given the present state of the economy -- might consider him greedy, "but it's always been a part of negotiations in sports," he says.

"I'm happy in L.A. I like my teammates and had a great time. The fans were so good to me; they treated me the best anywhere in my career. And now I think we're close (to a deal)."

Negotiations, though, between the Dodgers and Manny's agent, Scott Boras, recently broke down, and team owner Frank McCourt sounds like a man who might get tougher in this next round of proposals.

The Dodgers deserve credit for playing the negotiating game perfectly with Manny to date. But ultimately it's only a success if he winds up in a Dodgers uniform.

McCourt insists he wants Manny on the payroll, but he doesn't sound thrilled with Boras. There is talk within the organization that time right now is best served letting McCourt cool down with a reminder that Boras will not be playing for the Dodgers.

The fear internally is that McCourt might feel empowered by the economic times and public opinion that Manny and Boras are greedy. They worry he might significantly lower his offer when talks resume, which could open the door for another team looking for a last-minute bargain.

"He's (McCourt) negotiating as owners do, and I know he wants to win,"' Manny says. "I'm not bothered by what's happened. That's what negotiations are, but I just want to make one thing clear, I have faith in Scott. I know everything that's going on and we're communicating."

That certainly says he talks to Boras because that's something Boras would want said in retort to the Dodgers' earlier suggestion he doesn't always keep his clients in the loop.

As for Manny, he admits he thought there might be other teams showing an interest, and there were a few, he says, but apparently they could not get past the cloud hanging over Boston.

"It's still Boston. It's always, he's this and he's that," he says. "Move on. I left Boston. Did I quit while winning two World Series in Boston? You think you can hit 500 home runs quitting?

"I know how people treated me in L.A.. And I want to thank them."

He says he can't wait to start playing again, and "stealing bases," the jokester back to work. "No more home runs."

He has obviously been paying attention from afar, Manager Joe Torre saying the team is placing an emphasis on being more aggressive on the basepaths.

He has been working out since November, but he says he hasn't been spending a whole lot of time catching fly balls at home. No reason now to start working on defense.

"I can't wait to show those teams who passed on me," he says, sounding more motivated than devastated.

"Tell everyone Mannywood is coming -- now go call Jeff Kent."

Andy K, Wednesday, 4 March 2009 02:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Source: Manny, Dodgers agree

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3949705

Andy K, Wednesday, 4 March 2009 02:15 (fifteen years ago) link

i think monday at bernie's is my best username ever btw

s1ocki kong country (cankles), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 02:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Goddamn I wish I was like Manny and could get all high, call up Simers and say crazy shit.

mayor jingleberries, Wednesday, 4 March 2009 02:45 (fifteen years ago) link

nothings stopping you from doing that really

homie bhabha (max), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 14:50 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.becomingmanny.com/

Authorized by the future Hall of Famer himself, and written by a clinical psychologist and an award-winning investigative journalist, Becoming Manny is the incredible story behind one of the greatest baseball sluggers of all time.

f f murray abraham (G00blar), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 22:35 (fifteen years ago) link

yo if we option that into movie can Lamp exec produce

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 March 2009 00:02 (fifteen years ago) link

press conference was a thing of beauty today

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 March 2009 23:16 (fifteen years ago) link

it really was

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 March 2009 23:21 (fifteen years ago) link

"i gotta get my gold glove ready, ju all know that"

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 March 2009 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_images/dodgers.jolt.jpg

johnny crunch, Friday, 6 March 2009 13:40 (fifteen years ago) link

''So Manny was tough for us. You have somebody like him, you know at any point in the ballgame, he can dictate the outcome of the game. And for him not to be on the same page as the rest of the team was a killer, man! It just takes one guy to bring an entire team down, and that's exactly what was happening.

''Once we saw that, we weren't afraid to get rid of him. It's like cancer. That's what he was. Cancer. He had to go. It sucked, but that was the only scenario that was going to work. That was it for us. And after, you could feel it in the air in the clubhouse. We got Jason Bay -- Johnny Ballgame, plays the game right, plays through broken knees, runs out every ground ball -- and it was like a breath of fresh air, man! Awesome! No question.''

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 March 2009 19:12 (fifteen years ago) link

That's Papelbon, I'm guessing. He's entitled to his opinion, I guess. I can imagine that Manny is necessarily the easiest guy to play with.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 12 March 2009 19:21 (fifteen years ago) link

assuming the cubs don't win the whole thing, i hope the dodgers win it over the red sox for the next two years

and how (omar little), Thursday, 12 March 2009 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Who can forget that epic game where Jason Bay launched a game winning walk off HR on two broken knees.

I was there.

mayor jingleberries, Thursday, 12 March 2009 20:04 (fifteen years ago) link

papelbon in being a fucking moron shocka

He grew in Pussyville. Population: him. (call all destroyer), Thursday, 12 March 2009 20:38 (fifteen years ago) link

i can't believe he called him johnny ballgame

and how (omar little), Thursday, 12 March 2009 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link

i need to come up with some kind of filter so i can never hear anything this guy says.

either that or he's just taking the piss w/a VERY elaborate joke

He grew in Pussyville. Population: him. (call all destroyer), Thursday, 12 March 2009 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link

papelbitch is such a tool

sanskrit, Thursday, 12 March 2009 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Must be something about the MSU baseball program that generates dumbass.

WmC, Thursday, 12 March 2009 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link

you guys are right. jason bay sucks.

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 12 March 2009 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link

they're blinkered anti-Canadian Massholes, TT

Dr Morbius, Friday, 13 March 2009 01:16 (fifteen years ago) link

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3973690&categoryid=2378529

mizzell, Friday, 13 March 2009 15:20 (fifteen years ago) link

According to Eric Young, Papelbon broke one of the unwritten rules of baseball.

Alex in SF, Friday, 13 March 2009 16:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Shouldn't he be called Jason Ballgame.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Friday, 13 March 2009 17:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Red Sox runs per game before Ramirez trade: 4.94
Red Sox runs per game after Ramirez trade: 5.79
Red Sox record before Ramirez trade: 61-48, .560
Red Sox record after Ramirez trade: 34-19, .642

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 13 March 2009 17:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Shasta also voted Shannon Stewart MVP a few years ago based on similar stats

Dr Morbius, Friday, 13 March 2009 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Dodgers runs per game before Ramirez trade: 4.1
Dodgers runs per game after Ramirez trade: 4.6
Dodgers record before Ramirez trade: 54-54, .500
Dodgers record after Ramirez trade: 30-24, .556

bnw, Friday, 13 March 2009 17:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Ramirez's value over replacement Pierre was higher in LA.

Alex in SF, Friday, 13 March 2009 17:37 (fifteen years ago) link


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