Fuck, I'm marooned out at a restaurant, won't get back until halfway through. Morbs' post makes me sad, though. Joe fucking Kelly.
― reckless woo (Z S), Saturday, 12 October 2013 00:39 (eleven years ago)
Oh, still no score!
― reckless woo (Z S), Saturday, 12 October 2013 00:40 (eleven years ago)
wow, kelly looks awful
― k3vin k., Saturday, 12 October 2013 00:45 (eleven years ago)
Yep
― brand nubian wafers (bnw), Saturday, 12 October 2013 00:46 (eleven years ago)
But he has a lot of wins so he is good.
- mike matheny
― reckless woo (Z S), Saturday, 12 October 2013 00:49 (eleven years ago)
sorry man, shoulda gone w/ "he's in the lineup!"
Can I killfile the fucking "all-time postseason" idiot graphics plz?
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 12 October 2013 00:57 (eleven years ago)
Kelly needed that 1-2-3 DP
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 12 October 2013 01:33 (eleven years ago)
yes, how was that not out
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 October 2013 01:48 (eleven years ago)
beltran beltranning
― k3vin k., Saturday, 12 October 2013 01:49 (eleven years ago)
Scully thinks nonrusty Ethier catches it
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 12 October 2013 01:50 (eleven years ago)
i thought it was going to be a home run. i turned on the TV and the ball was in the air.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 October 2013 01:56 (eleven years ago)
synchronized bullpen stretching routines
it's the cardinal way
― reckless woo (Z S), Saturday, 12 October 2013 02:22 (eleven years ago)
whoever invented post season cap patches shd be executed, and they shd keep executing people until there are no more patches
― lag∞n, Saturday, 12 October 2013 02:27 (eleven years ago)
lol
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 October 2013 02:30 (eleven years ago)
well you have a guy on third and leave your pitcher in? not sure if i like it.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 October 2013 02:41 (eleven years ago)
third second
i thought he was through six but he was only through five. so yes keep the pitcher in.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 October 2013 02:44 (eleven years ago)
grnki is a good hitter too
― lag∞n, Saturday, 12 October 2013 02:45 (eleven years ago)
are we sure that isnt LaRussa in a Matheny mask?
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 12 October 2013 02:54 (eleven years ago)
fuck
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 October 2013 03:14 (eleven years ago)
puiiiig
― k3vin k., Saturday, 12 October 2013 03:14 (eleven years ago)
when's he gonna cost them a game with his reckless style?
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 12 October 2013 03:15 (eleven years ago)
some ballsy fielding that inning
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 12 October 2013 03:15 (eleven years ago)
good thing donnie pinch ran for gonzalez!
― k3vin k., Saturday, 12 October 2013 03:22 (eleven years ago)
going to the ninth
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 October 2013 03:31 (eleven years ago)
99 MPH
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 October 2013 03:39 (eleven years ago)
18 runs in his last 14 starts
― k3vin k., Saturday, 12 October 2013 03:39 (eleven years ago)
Samsung using LCD Soundsystem
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 October 2013 03:42 (eleven years ago)
wow @ that beard. wow.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 12 October 2013 03:43 (eleven years ago)
Button yr damn shirt
― brand nubian wafers (bnw), Saturday, 12 October 2013 03:45 (eleven years ago)
i was about to say Wilson usually walks a whole lot of people, what happened to that
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 October 2013 03:52 (eleven years ago)
not quite
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 October 2013 03:56 (eleven years ago)
YEAH
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 October 2013 04:06 (eleven years ago)
wowwwwwwwwww
― k3vin k., Saturday, 12 October 2013 04:06 (eleven years ago)
― brand nubian wafers (bnw), Saturday, 12 October 2013 04:06 (eleven years ago)
that was not smart
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 12 October 2013 04:07 (eleven years ago)
lordamighty
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 12 October 2013 04:08 (eleven years ago)
jerry meals thinks he was safe
― mookieproof, Saturday, 12 October 2013 04:09 (eleven years ago)
you have to call him out there
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 October 2013 04:12 (eleven years ago)
tag shmag, he was obv out
― k3vin k., Saturday, 12 October 2013 04:14 (eleven years ago)
woo our bench suuuucks
― brand nubian wafers (bnw), Saturday, 12 October 2013 04:16 (eleven years ago)
somehow subtracting Ty wigginton made it worse
nice
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 October 2013 04:27 (eleven years ago)
it could have been really interesting
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 October 2013 04:32 (eleven years ago)
this game sucks i hope they both lose
― action bronson pinchot (sanskrit), Saturday, 12 October 2013 04:40 (eleven years ago)
to inning 12
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 October 2013 04:41 (eleven years ago)
Lance Lynn is coming in so there's that
― brand nubian wafers (bnw), Saturday, 12 October 2013 04:43 (eleven years ago)
it has been a great game
xxpost
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 October 2013 04:43 (eleven years ago)
this is the trade off we must make for him not to start game 4
― brand nubian wafers (bnw), Saturday, 12 October 2013 04:44 (eleven years ago)
Just got home, who won?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 12 October 2013 04:47 (eleven years ago)
And if the great majority of voters were guided by JAWS, that'd be compelling evidence that Trout's far ahead. But they're not (not yet, anyway--20 years from now, who knows?)--Kershaw's hardware will figure in prominently. You're arguing "should"; I'm talking about "is."
But I also realize pitchers are a much bigger roll of the dice. Trout's similarity comps include seven HOF'ers, one player who will go in, Vada Pinson, and Tony Conigliaro. Kerhaws's include Seaver, Clemens, Palmer, and Pedro--great start--but also Gary Nolan, Vida Blue, and Lefty Liefeld (?).
― clemenza, Saturday, 19 October 2013 14:43 (eleven years ago)
Zone was a mess all series but I think the better team won. Cards beat Kershaw twice and Greinke once. Dodgers also had Hanley and Ethier in the lineup but they were hardly a presence. We'll get em next year.
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 19 October 2013 15:48 (eleven years ago)
All SP's vs CF's (not all OF's or all position players) isn't a fair comparison (different sample sizes). But Kershaw is clearly the best pitcher in baseball based on a body of work stretching over a few years, so it would be like Johan Santana getting knocked around in '06-'07. Whether they continue(d) on a HOF path isn't really the point.
He was never the best in baseball, but Andy Pettitte had a lot of meltdown starts in the playoffs considering his reputation as a big time pitcher (and possible HOFer). I count at least six (although none since 2001).
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 19 October 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago)
But Kershaw is clearly the best pitcher in baseball
hmmmmm
― ^^ post obviously honoring and supporting Qualcomm (zachlyon), Saturday, 19 October 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago)
kershaw is obviously the best pitcher in baseball, yes
― k3vin k., Saturday, 19 October 2013 19:25 (eleven years ago)
same thing i mentioned with the trout vs cabrera thing -- unless we're talking hitters in coors, everyone is apparently perfectly happy to acknowledge park factors, but no one actually cares to include them in their evaluation of players
― ^^ post obviously honoring and supporting Qualcomm (zachlyon), Saturday, 19 October 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago)
i think kershaw is probably in the top 2, maybe still the best even in LA, but i'd put verlander right up there even with this last year under his belt
― ^^ post obviously honoring and supporting Qualcomm (zachlyon), Saturday, 19 October 2013 19:28 (eleven years ago)
well yeah i mean you almost have to weigh more recent seasons more heavily when you're talking about who the best pitcher/player is RIGHT NOW. if we weigh each season equally then over the last 3 years verlander is right there with him, maybe even better
― k3vin k., Saturday, 19 October 2013 19:32 (eleven years ago)
Whether he's #1 or #1A doesn't really change the argument.
Dodger Stadium has averaged about a 96 PF during Kershaw's career, the last few years Coors is around 115-120, down from it's high 120's heyday in the 90's. So basically there's a good reason why Coors was and remains a special case.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 19 October 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago)
ok -- coors being super special doesn't make other park differences smaller or something, kershaw would still look like a different pitcher in most other parks
― ^^ post obviously honoring and supporting Qualcomm (zachlyon), Saturday, 19 October 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago)
That's what I was thinking of (xpost). At any given time there are, what, maybe five to ten starting pitchers who are more or less in their prime and on a HOF track? Today's list starts with Verlander, Kershaw, and Felix, and you can fill in the rest different ways. I don't think Andujar was one of those pitchers in 1985, but I'd have to go back and check.
― clemenza, Saturday, 19 October 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago)
wasn't alive at the time, but andujar had a career losing record coming into 1985, so i doubt it
― k3vin k., Saturday, 19 October 2013 20:10 (eleven years ago)
i was wondering, in WAR, who is best starting pitcher of the past 5 years?
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 19 October 2013 20:16 (eleven years ago)
Verlander -- Lee -- Felix -- Kershaw -- Greinke (in fWAR)
― ^^ post obviously honoring and supporting Qualcomm (zachlyon), Saturday, 19 October 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago)
no idea how to find that in bb-ref but kershaw has a 0.1 lead on verlander there
― ^^ post obviously honoring and supporting Qualcomm (zachlyon), Saturday, 19 October 2013 20:28 (eleven years ago)
kershaw would still look like a different pitcher in most other parks
Not so different -- his home/road splits this year were almost identical, his ERA was half a run higher on the road but the difference is probably due to luck, because his peripherals are virtually the same.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 19 October 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago)
Dodger stadium is interesting for park factors... the symmetric outfield suppresses doubles and triples, night games you dont see many home runs, but when its warm you get an uptick. Whats the stat equivalent for that? hehe
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 19 October 2013 20:37 (eleven years ago)
xp h/r splits are never a reliable way of determining that, especially in a 1-season sample size (for his career his road ERA is 0.86 higher)
― ^^ post obviously honoring and supporting Qualcomm (zachlyon), Saturday, 19 October 2013 20:38 (eleven years ago)
during andujar's time i remember that the dominant pitchers everyone seemed to fear were guys like the usual HOF suspects + candelaria, mario soto, steve rogers, dave stieb, frank viola, and yeah andujar for several years. but he was only "great" for 3 seasons iirc.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Saturday, 19 October 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago)
some of those guys were incredibly good too. perennial all-stars, guys who started the all-star game, deservedly feared.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Saturday, 19 October 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago)