2013 NLCS: Los Angeles Dodgers vs. St. Louis Cardinals

gonna really enjoy video bringing some TRUTH to umpiring next year and upending unwritten [sic] rules. Baseball will be more Catholic.

David Schoenfield ‏@dschoenfield
So if this game goes on and on and the Dodgers use all pitchers except Jansen, does Mattingly use a position player?

Skip Schumaker is the designated position player pitcher and he struck out on a pitch above his eyeballs in the 8th or 9th so he wasn't available. He has a 0 era this year. Hee hee

morbs i meant beltran's individual performance, not the game itself

and ellis was out at the plate

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWWT7arCUAEZ9OI.jpg

and even if there wasn't a "tag", ellis basically pushed molina's glove hand out of the way. i can't find anything in rule 7 about that kind of thing, but obviously the way the rule has been interpreted forever is that if you barrel into a catcher (provided the catcher's back isn't turned to you or something), who maintains control of the ball, yer out

following up http://deadspin.com/why-your-cardinals-suck-1443513646

beltran's WPA was 0.366, the second highest of his postseason career (the highest being a week ago, incidentally). throw in him gunning out ellis at the plate in a tie game in extra innings, and yeah that's a historic game

Yeah, I also don't understand why people are getting upset about the supposed phantom tag, it's not like he tried for a swipe tag and missed, or didn't have possession of the ball. When the ball beats the runner by ten feet and he barrels into the catcher (making contact with his glove arm), he's out, and I'm fairly sure it's always been called that way.

didn't this game just end?

beltran got a timely hit and threw a guy out in a close game ergo historic? highly suspicious

he also drove in the other 2 runs!

i mean if it was an elimination game rather than game 1 it'd be a much bigger deal obv

that was the timely hit, no

he had 2 timely hits!

oh right, but still

i see we have reached the but still portion of this debate, i win

lol no i mean wpa is a fun stat but it doesnt really judge whether someone had a good or really good game or not

beltran went two for six and there happened to be some guys on base when he got his hits, and the game happened to be close. really not at all any sort of alltime great game

also not even close to alltime great even judged by wpa

oh yeah i hate WPA too ftr, but in a one-game vs one-game comparison it can have some value if you agree on the meaning of "good game" beforehand

i mean it has very little predictive value but it can do a decent job of describing what happened, and if you're only talking about one game then sample sizes are so small that you might as well talk about the sikkk plays a dude made rather than if it was due to luck or whatever

he made some great plays and had a cool game im sure we can all agree

beltran went two for six and there happened to be some guys on base when he got his hits, and the game happened to be close.

lol this sounds like something an anti-sabr person would say as they create their strawman

Apparently just fifteen minutes left until the shadows cover the whole diamond so the real game can start.

finally

lol this sounds like something an anti-sabr person would say as they create their strawman

― ^^ post obviously honoring and supporting Qualcomm (zachlyon), Saturday, October 12, 2013 5:14 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idgaf but isnt rbis arent a meaningful stat like one of stats dudes most cherished truths

it's also the postseason, which is one great big small sample size, it's ok to get overly silly and romantic about it

so many rules

He had a great game, and it seems even greater because it was Beltran--he reinforces perceptions that were already in place. I don't see it as historic, though, Kevin. If you're including pitchers, just in the past few days I'd say Wainwright and Verlander have him beat. (By WPA, I don't know.) If you limit the statement to position players, top...50-100?

that is some good pitching

Wainwright was 0.371, Verlander 0.416--if you put any value in that, both slightly higher than Beltran last night. (Does his throw have any WPA value? If not, then yeah, Beltran's would undoubtedly be higher.)

(For the record: yes, Morbius, I am aware there's a game on right now, and I am watching it.)

One Kershaw AB plus two IP for one AB from Michael Young seems like a big net loss for the Dodgers.

Who needs the best pitcher in baseball when you have VETERAN PRESCENCE.

kershaw's a more clutch hitter anyway

he's still an alleged hitter. xp

just got in for the Young ph, didnt think game wd be this fast even with these pitchers.

I'm fairly sure it's always been called that way.

I still don't care; it's wrong.

i guess i don't ever remember seeing a guy 'out by 10 feet' not being tagged? Yet another credit to the Almighty Yadier i guess.

Don't know that I've ever seen a manager questioned over the course of two post-season games like Mattingly has been thus far--he's in Grady Little/Ron Washington territory.

I can think of some dubiously managed World Series that wd've been more buzzed about if there had been internets -- eg 2001. (esp by the guy who won)

right down the middle

good game

I came in late, what did Donnie do wrong today? I'm not nec buying Michael Young as a mistake.

go bucs

he's still an alleged hitter. xp

just got in for the Young ph, didnt think game wd be this fast even with these pitchers.

I'm fairly sure it's always been called that way.

I still don't care; it's wrong.

― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:13 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ffs morbs did you look at that picture i posted, he was out. at the very least there's not enough evidence to say for sure there was no tag

I saw that Tommy Herr tweeted that pic this morning -- I don't see any evidence of a tag in it. Slo-mo video looked fairly clear to me this morning.

lol STL is already up 2-0 before the ALDS starts

one series always plays 2 games first, it seems

lol Puig:

http://www.baseballnation.com/hot-corner/2013/10/12/4830144/mark-ellis-yadier-molina-safe-gif-beltran-throw-bees-pants

I came in late, what did Donnie do wrong today? I'm not nec buying Michael Young as a mistake.
--eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius)

Only reason Donnie is getting destroyed for his decisions is moody on the team is executing anything. It's easier to question 2-3 decisions than pick apart 40 at bats of futility

mattingly looked hella depressed at the post game press conference, barely looking up, mumbling, not a great show of saught after leadership qualities

Only reason Donnie is getting destroyed for his decisions is moody on the team is executing anything. It's easier to question 2-3 decisions than pick apart 40 at bats of futility

― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Sunday, October 13, 2013 12:44 PM

I need to bookmark this post for future Braves threads.

mattingly looked hella depressed at the post game press conference, barely looking up, mumbling, not a great show of saught after leadership qualities

But maybe this is like the thing that your mom did when you fucked up as a kid, getting so bummed out by you failure that you're motivated to not fuck up so they can be happy again.

im just saying if youre wondering why the media is all over him, not a great understanding of media 101, as to how it plays out w the team i have no idea

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