*does the math*
― johnny crunch, Monday, 14 October 2013 22:26 (ten years ago) link
Scully did a preamble about General Wainwright and Corregidor
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 00:35 (ten years ago) link
no one else watching = east coast bias
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 00:44 (ten years ago) link
Does Jayson Stark smoke a lot of dank doobage before he posts?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 00:46 (ten years ago) link
If this was mid-season Jon Jay would be riding the bench for his terrible fielding.
btw I'm watching this on a HD big screen tv for the first time in months and holy moly this is great.
PS damn you Jon jay.
― reckless woo (Z S), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 01:19 (ten years ago) link
damn it
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 01:19 (ten years ago) link
well at least it didn't go out
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 01:23 (ten years ago) link
brian mccann seethes
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 01:23 (ten years ago) link
they should hit him in the ribs next time he comes up
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 01:25 (ten years ago) link
Hershiser criticizing Beltran, thinking he could've possibly caught that if he hadn't been deked by Puig's upraised arms at the plate.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 01:27 (ten years ago) link
lousy baserunning and defense not the Cardinal Way
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 01:37 (ten years ago) link
@miklasz: Someone please pass this on to Charley Steiner and Rick Monday: Jon Jay minus 10 in defensive runs saved, 32nd among MLB CF.
They found our weakness U_U
― brand nubian wafers (bnw), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 01:45 (ten years ago) link
he was safe
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 02:44 (ten years ago) link
Yep
― reckless woo (Z S), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 02:45 (ten years ago) link
cracked rib no big deal for Hanley
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 02:46 (ten years ago) link
I would be crying so hard
― reckless woo (Z S), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 02:48 (ten years ago) link
A relatively quick postseason game, finally.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 03:00 (ten years ago) link
oh well
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 03:02 (ten years ago) link
nbd
― reckless woo (Z S), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 03:06 (ten years ago) link
"As a player, I just think he doesn't know [about how to act]," Cardinals outfielder Carlos Beltran said. "That's what I think. He really doesn't know. He must think that he's still playing somewhere else."He has a lot of passion," Beltran said. "No doubt about that. Great ability. Great talent. I think, with time, he'll learn that you've got to act with a little bit more calm."So you know, he's going to learn. It's going to take him time, but he's going to learn. When you try to do those things sometimes, you know, you get that attention. And you don't want to wake up nobody. I always thought if you hit a home run off a pitcher, you've got to make him believe he made a mistake. You don't wake him up. Or next time, the pitcher's going to be more focused with you and he's going to try harder to get you out."So he will learn," Beltran concluded. "I don't think he's a bad kid. I just think he doesn't know right now."But when Beltran was asked, "Did Yasiel Puig just 'wake up' the Cardinals?" he made it obvious that the alarm bells had just sounded -- without actually saying that."I'm in the outfield," Beltran said, trying to choose his words carefully. "I mean, it's not great. To me, I don't like it. But what can I say? I don't play for them. I just play over here. I just need to do my job. It is what it is."
"He has a lot of passion," Beltran said. "No doubt about that. Great ability. Great talent. I think, with time, he'll learn that you've got to act with a little bit more calm.
"So you know, he's going to learn. It's going to take him time, but he's going to learn. When you try to do those things sometimes, you know, you get that attention. And you don't want to wake up nobody. I always thought if you hit a home run off a pitcher, you've got to make him believe he made a mistake. You don't wake him up. Or next time, the pitcher's going to be more focused with you and he's going to try harder to get you out.
"So he will learn," Beltran concluded. "I don't think he's a bad kid. I just think he doesn't know right now."
But when Beltran was asked, "Did Yasiel Puig just 'wake up' the Cardinals?" he made it obvious that the alarm bells had just sounded -- without actually saying that.
"I'm in the outfield," Beltran said, trying to choose his words carefully. "I mean, it's not great. To me, I don't like it. But what can I say? I don't play for them. I just play over here. I just need to do my job. It is what it is."
http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9827035/yasiel-puig-made-mark-game-3-win-los-angeles-dodgers-mlb
― Andy K, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 13:12 (ten years ago) link
which is the more hilarious disparity between MLB and the NFL, level of PED-use sanctimony or tsk-tsking about "celebration" of one's feats?
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 14:11 (ten years ago) link
ha yeah was just thinking about that
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 14:14 (ten years ago) link
oh no a guy looked at a home run he hit, maybe try not letting him hit home runs if it bothers you so much
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 14:16 (ten years ago) link
well, I will grant it's a more unique event when a guy looks at a triple he hits.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 14:31 (ten years ago) link
has anyone ever looked at triple before, that was impressive
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 15:02 (ten years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWlhYi_CQAAA-Sz.jpg
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link
Grant Brisbee finds that teams fielding three stinko outfielders tend to be good enough to do so.
http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/10/15/4839934/st-louis-cardinals-outfield-defense
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 16:26 (ten years ago) link
if Puig is pissing off the Cardinal outfielders then he must be doing something right
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 16:48 (ten years ago) link
never looked at jay's defensive numbers before but i always thought it was weird that a chubby little dude like him played center
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 October 2013 17:06 (ten years ago) link
He used to be mediocre, and every once in a while he'd make a flashy play (probably because of bad initial reads or positioning or pathing that caused him to have to exert more effort than necessary) so people thought of him as a defensive plus.
This year he hasn't made the flashy plays and his mediocre skills have descended into a liability.
― reckless woo (Z S), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 17:47 (ten years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/why-dont-the-st-louis-cardinals-respect-the-game-1445679050
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 17:50 (ten years ago) link
YES
― Andy K, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 17:53 (ten years ago) link
funny. still nothing near puig admiring a triple.
― brand nubian wafers (bnw), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 17:58 (ten years ago) link
haha
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 October 2013 18:00 (ten years ago) link
well, there was a reason Mattingly was laughing grimly in his in-game interview.
Still I'll remember it, just as I've forgotten every single thing about, say, last year's Detroit-Oakland series.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 18:02 (ten years ago) link
when I saw that Carpenter triple that was my thought exactly, "the Cardinals probably would've complained about this"
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 18:07 (ten years ago) link
You guys
― reckless woo (Z S), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 18:14 (ten years ago) link
no one ever complained about puig until now
― brand nubian wafers (bnw), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 18:16 (ten years ago) link
except like his own team
A) Puig's triple was hilarious and unforgettable and awesome
B) his celebration in the batters box and then on the way to 3rd was way over the line by baseball standards, especially early on in a game. I'm not saying the standards are good or making some bullshit comparison to football or anything, I'm just saying it was noticeably more brash than the common sterilized baseball player celebration, and the fact that it drew comment is utterly predictable. It is no way comparable to other players pumping their fist after a strikeout or clapping their hands after scoring an important run. Pretending not to be able to see the difference is an insult (a baseball insult) to whoever is reading your words.
Still hilarious! But the fact that a few old stodgy baseball people got all traditional on his ass is not breaking news
― reckless woo (Z S), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 18:24 (ten years ago) link
Now get off of my goddamn lawn my show is coming on the tv
― reckless woo (Z S), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 18:29 (ten years ago) link
Do Cardinals fans understand the whole country hates their team, or are they in a bubble? (I don't mean this question as a value judgement; lots of sports fans are isolated from how their team is perceived away from home.)
― Evan R, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 18:38 (ten years ago) link
Most don't
― reckless woo (Z S), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 18:43 (ten years ago) link
Are you serious, bnw?
― Andy K, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 18:46 (ten years ago) link
since he remembers him gettin benched, yes I'd say he's serious
imagine Buck Showalter as Puig's mgr
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 18:47 (ten years ago) link
xpost That's probably true of most teams, as you say, but I think maybe the ignorance is especially pronounced in cards fans because of the large geographic area that follows the team. You know those maps that show which parts of the country likes which teams? The cardinals share of that is a big chunk of the flyover states, and a lot of those people aren't exactly cosmopolitan. Lots of people on Missouri never go beyond Chicago. We know cubs fans hate us, for obvious reasons, but most don't realize that everyone east of Chicago and west of Kansas hates us as well! But most never travel to those places, so they have no idea. On top of that, a lot of the people in the vast swath of CARDINAL NATION (puke, I'm sorry. Fucking sports team nations) are big, big fans of the team.
― reckless woo (Z S), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 18:52 (ten years ago) link
I don't hate the Cardinals.
I just find them very blah.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 18:57 (ten years ago) link
i don't think the whole country hates the cardinals!
i mean the whole 'best fans in baseball' thing is punchably smug, but they're not the yankees, they're not boston fans, no one left a visiting cubs fan with brain damage, etc.
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 19:05 (ten years ago) link
i can understand that when baseball is your career/life you get wrapped up in these judgment rituals that seem bizarre to outsiders -- like kevin towers last week, or puig, or mccann. but this whole surly complain-in-the-press thing is nagl -- if you're mad and want to drill someone, then do it, don't complain to the media because you feel disrespected.
i'm not a ballplayer so i don't have the correct pov, but i would make a big distinction between being happy at doing something well and being a dick to someone you've bested. carlos gomez was being a dick, i guess because he got plunked earlier in the season. jeffrey leonard's 'one flap down' was sublime dickery. puig just seems excitable.
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 19:14 (ten years ago) link
i don't think the whole country hates the cardinals, in fact most of the country does not give a shit about the cardinals. and i'd bet the cards aren't even in the top 3 most hated among baseball fans. people who read blogs/tumblrs/whatever too much tend to think the whole world thinks just like their little echo chamber
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 October 2013 19:51 (ten years ago) link