2013 NLCS: Los Angeles Dodgers vs. St. Louis Cardinals

If this was mid-season Jon Jay would be riding the bench for his terrible fielding.

btw I'm watching this on a HD big screen tv for the first time in months and holy moly this is great.

PS damn you Jon jay.

damn it

well at least it didn't go out

brian mccann seethes

they should hit him in the ribs next time he comes up

Hershiser criticizing Beltran, thinking he could've possibly caught that if he hadn't been deked by Puig's upraised arms at the plate.

lousy baserunning and defense not the Cardinal Way

@miklasz: Someone please pass this on to Charley Steiner and Rick Monday: Jon Jay minus 10 in defensive runs saved, 32nd among MLB CF.

They found our weakness U_U

he was safe

Yep

cracked rib no big deal for Hanley

I would be crying so hard

A relatively quick postseason game, finally.

oh well

nbd

"As a player, I just think he doesn't know [about how to act]," Cardinals outfielder Carlos Beltran said. "That's what I think. He really doesn't know. He must think that he's still playing somewhere else.

"He has a lot of passion," Beltran said. "No doubt about that. Great ability. Great talent. I think, with time, he'll learn that you've got to act with a little bit more calm.

"So you know, he's going to learn. It's going to take him time, but he's going to learn. When you try to do those things sometimes, you know, you get that attention. And you don't want to wake up nobody. I always thought if you hit a home run off a pitcher, you've got to make him believe he made a mistake. You don't wake him up. Or next time, the pitcher's going to be more focused with you and he's going to try harder to get you out.

"So he will learn," Beltran concluded. "I don't think he's a bad kid. I just think he doesn't know right now."

But when Beltran was asked, "Did Yasiel Puig just 'wake up' the Cardinals?" he made it obvious that the alarm bells had just sounded -- without actually saying that.

"I'm in the outfield," Beltran said, trying to choose his words carefully. "I mean, it's not great. To me, I don't like it. But what can I say? I don't play for them. I just play over here. I just need to do my job. It is what it is."

http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9827035/yasiel-puig-made-mark-game-3-win-los-angeles-dodgers-mlb

which is the more hilarious disparity between MLB and the NFL, level of PED-use sanctimony or tsk-tsking about "celebration" of one's feats?

ha yeah was just thinking about that

oh no a guy looked at a home run he hit, maybe try not letting him hit home runs if it bothers you so much

well, I will grant it's a more unique event when a guy looks at a triple he hits.

has anyone ever looked at triple before, that was impressive

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWlhYi_CQAAA-Sz.jpg

Grant Brisbee finds that teams fielding three stinko outfielders tend to be good enough to do so.

http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/10/15/4839934/st-louis-cardinals-outfield-defense

if Puig is pissing off the Cardinal outfielders then he must be doing something right

never looked at jay's defensive numbers before but i always thought it was weird that a chubby little dude like him played center

He used to be mediocre, and every once in a while he'd make a flashy play (probably because of bad initial reads or positioning or pathing that caused him to have to exert more effort than necessary) so people thought of him as a defensive plus.

This year he hasn't made the flashy plays and his mediocre skills have descended into a liability.

http://deadspin.com/why-dont-the-st-louis-cardinals-respect-the-game-1445679050

YES

funny. still nothing near puig admiring a triple.

haha

well, there was a reason Mattingly was laughing grimly in his in-game interview.

Still I'll remember it, just as I've forgotten every single thing about, say, last year's Detroit-Oakland series.

when I saw that Carpenter triple that was my thought exactly, "the Cardinals probably would've complained about this"

You guys

no one ever complained about puig until now

except like his own team

A) Puig's triple was hilarious and unforgettable and awesome

B) his celebration in the batters box and then on the way to 3rd was way over the line by baseball standards, especially early on in a game. I'm not saying the standards are good or making some bullshit comparison to football or anything, I'm just saying it was noticeably more brash than the common sterilized baseball player celebration, and the fact that it drew comment is utterly predictable. It is no way comparable to other players pumping their fist after a strikeout or clapping their hands after scoring an important run. Pretending not to be able to see the difference is an insult (a baseball insult) to whoever is reading your words.

Still hilarious! But the fact that a few old stodgy baseball people got all traditional on his ass is not breaking news

Now get off of my goddamn lawn my show is coming on the tv

Do Cardinals fans understand the whole country hates their team, or are they in a bubble? (I don't mean this question as a value judgement; lots of sports fans are isolated from how their team is perceived away from home.)

Most don't

Are you serious, bnw?

since he remembers him gettin benched, yes I'd say he's serious

imagine Buck Showalter as Puig's mgr

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That's probably true of most teams, as you say, but I think maybe the ignorance is especially pronounced in cards fans because of the large geographic area that follows the team. You know those maps that show which parts of the country likes which teams? The cardinals share of that is a big chunk of the flyover states, and a lot of those people aren't exactly cosmopolitan. Lots of people on Missouri never go beyond Chicago. We know cubs fans hate us, for obvious reasons, but most don't realize that everyone east of Chicago and west of Kansas hates us as well! But most never travel to those places, so they have no idea. On top of that, a lot of the people in the vast swath of CARDINAL NATION (puke, I'm sorry. Fucking sports team nations) are big, big fans of the team.

I don't hate the Cardinals.

I just find them very blah.

i don't think the whole country hates the cardinals!

i mean the whole 'best fans in baseball' thing is punchably smug, but they're not the yankees, they're not boston fans, no one left a visiting cubs fan with brain damage, etc.

i can understand that when baseball is your career/life you get wrapped up in these judgment rituals that seem bizarre to outsiders -- like kevin towers last week, or puig, or mccann. but this whole surly complain-in-the-press thing is nagl -- if you're mad and want to drill someone, then do it, don't complain to the media because you feel disrespected.

i'm not a ballplayer so i don't have the correct pov, but i would make a big distinction between being happy at doing something well and being a dick to someone you've bested. carlos gomez was being a dick, i guess because he got plunked earlier in the season. jeffrey leonard's 'one flap down' was sublime dickery. puig just seems excitable.

i don't think the whole country hates the cardinals, in fact most of the country does not give a shit about the cardinals. and i'd bet the cards aren't even in the top 3 most hated among baseball fans. people who read blogs/tumblrs/whatever too much tend to think the whole world thinks just like their little echo chamber

i'm pretty much cheering for them at this point.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWpCsgVCIAAbDKH.png

lolololololol

i'm not good with my US geography. that Missouri and Alaska, correct?

Fun Police map