2013 NLCS: Los Angeles Dodgers vs. St. Louis Cardinals

"As a player, I just think he doesn't know [about how to act]," Cardinals outfielder Carlos Beltran said. "That's what I think. He really doesn't know. He must think that he's still playing somewhere else.

"He has a lot of passion," Beltran said. "No doubt about that. Great ability. Great talent. I think, with time, he'll learn that you've got to act with a little bit more calm.

"So you know, he's going to learn. It's going to take him time, but he's going to learn. When you try to do those things sometimes, you know, you get that attention. And you don't want to wake up nobody. I always thought if you hit a home run off a pitcher, you've got to make him believe he made a mistake. You don't wake him up. Or next time, the pitcher's going to be more focused with you and he's going to try harder to get you out.

"So he will learn," Beltran concluded. "I don't think he's a bad kid. I just think he doesn't know right now."

But when Beltran was asked, "Did Yasiel Puig just 'wake up' the Cardinals?" he made it obvious that the alarm bells had just sounded -- without actually saying that.

"I'm in the outfield," Beltran said, trying to choose his words carefully. "I mean, it's not great. To me, I don't like it. But what can I say? I don't play for them. I just play over here. I just need to do my job. It is what it is."

http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9827035/yasiel-puig-made-mark-game-3-win-los-angeles-dodgers-mlb

which is the more hilarious disparity between MLB and the NFL, level of PED-use sanctimony or tsk-tsking about "celebration" of one's feats?

ha yeah was just thinking about that

oh no a guy looked at a home run he hit, maybe try not letting him hit home runs if it bothers you so much

well, I will grant it's a more unique event when a guy looks at a triple he hits.

has anyone ever looked at triple before, that was impressive

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWlhYi_CQAAA-Sz.jpg

Grant Brisbee finds that teams fielding three stinko outfielders tend to be good enough to do so.

http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/10/15/4839934/st-louis-cardinals-outfield-defense

if Puig is pissing off the Cardinal outfielders then he must be doing something right

never looked at jay's defensive numbers before but i always thought it was weird that a chubby little dude like him played center

He used to be mediocre, and every once in a while he'd make a flashy play (probably because of bad initial reads or positioning or pathing that caused him to have to exert more effort than necessary) so people thought of him as a defensive plus.

This year he hasn't made the flashy plays and his mediocre skills have descended into a liability.

http://deadspin.com/why-dont-the-st-louis-cardinals-respect-the-game-1445679050

YES

funny. still nothing near puig admiring a triple.

haha

well, there was a reason Mattingly was laughing grimly in his in-game interview.

Still I'll remember it, just as I've forgotten every single thing about, say, last year's Detroit-Oakland series.

when I saw that Carpenter triple that was my thought exactly, "the Cardinals probably would've complained about this"

You guys

no one ever complained about puig until now

except like his own team

A) Puig's triple was hilarious and unforgettable and awesome

B) his celebration in the batters box and then on the way to 3rd was way over the line by baseball standards, especially early on in a game. I'm not saying the standards are good or making some bullshit comparison to football or anything, I'm just saying it was noticeably more brash than the common sterilized baseball player celebration, and the fact that it drew comment is utterly predictable. It is no way comparable to other players pumping their fist after a strikeout or clapping their hands after scoring an important run. Pretending not to be able to see the difference is an insult (a baseball insult) to whoever is reading your words.

Still hilarious! But the fact that a few old stodgy baseball people got all traditional on his ass is not breaking news

Now get off of my goddamn lawn my show is coming on the tv

Do Cardinals fans understand the whole country hates their team, or are they in a bubble? (I don't mean this question as a value judgement; lots of sports fans are isolated from how their team is perceived away from home.)

Most don't

Are you serious, bnw?

since he remembers him gettin benched, yes I'd say he's serious

imagine Buck Showalter as Puig's mgr

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That's probably true of most teams, as you say, but I think maybe the ignorance is especially pronounced in cards fans because of the large geographic area that follows the team. You know those maps that show which parts of the country likes which teams? The cardinals share of that is a big chunk of the flyover states, and a lot of those people aren't exactly cosmopolitan. Lots of people on Missouri never go beyond Chicago. We know cubs fans hate us, for obvious reasons, but most don't realize that everyone east of Chicago and west of Kansas hates us as well! But most never travel to those places, so they have no idea. On top of that, a lot of the people in the vast swath of CARDINAL NATION (puke, I'm sorry. Fucking sports team nations) are big, big fans of the team.

I don't hate the Cardinals.

I just find them very blah.

i don't think the whole country hates the cardinals!

i mean the whole 'best fans in baseball' thing is punchably smug, but they're not the yankees, they're not boston fans, no one left a visiting cubs fan with brain damage, etc.

i can understand that when baseball is your career/life you get wrapped up in these judgment rituals that seem bizarre to outsiders -- like kevin towers last week, or puig, or mccann. but this whole surly complain-in-the-press thing is nagl -- if you're mad and want to drill someone, then do it, don't complain to the media because you feel disrespected.

i'm not a ballplayer so i don't have the correct pov, but i would make a big distinction between being happy at doing something well and being a dick to someone you've bested. carlos gomez was being a dick, i guess because he got plunked earlier in the season. jeffrey leonard's 'one flap down' was sublime dickery. puig just seems excitable.

i don't think the whole country hates the cardinals, in fact most of the country does not give a shit about the cardinals. and i'd bet the cards aren't even in the top 3 most hated among baseball fans. people who read blogs/tumblrs/whatever too much tend to think the whole world thinks just like their little echo chamber

i'm pretty much cheering for them at this point.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWpCsgVCIAAbDKH.png

lolololololol

i'm not good with my US geography. that Missouri and Alaska, correct?

Fun Police map

GA is just Brian McCann voting 5000 times

btw it really is gonna be Nolasco tnite, huh?

Orel H said at end of game last night he "had been told privately" Greinke wd go, so those are some unimpeachable sources.

drunk tommy lasorada is not a trusted source

I don't hate the Cardinals at all--admire them. Especially (hindsight is 20/20) for having the guts/business sense to let Pujols walk. I never would have done it, that's for sure.

they prob know his real age

25th anniv of Kirk G's HR

The thing about this game is, the series is as close as it could possibly be, 2-1

i would just like to state for the record that i hate the cardinals and the dodgers

more than the yankees?

St. Louis Cardinals pitcher Adam Wainwright wasn’t thrilled following Game 3 of the National League Championship Series, and it wasn’t just because he took the loss against the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Wainwright didn’t pitch poorly by any stretch of the imagination — he gave up just two runs over seven innings — but the Cardinals couldn’t push any runs of their own across. So Wainwright took the loss, and the Dodgers are now back in the series after losing the first two games in St. Louis.

So Wainwright’s frustration is understandable, but he took issue with more than the way he pitched. The Cardinals pitcher was also a little upset by the way Dodgers first baseman Adrian Gonzalez acted.

After Gonzalez hit an RBI double in the fourth inning, he stood on second base and made some celebratory gestures. It was a big hit in a big spot for a player who doesn’t have a ton of playoff experience, let alone playoff success, and Gonzalez celebrated as such. Two batters later, Gonzalez scored on Yasiel Puig‘s triple. It was Puig’s celebration and actions that had everyone buzzing during the game, but Wainwright could only take issue with Gonzalez, as that was the celebration he saw.

“I didn’t see Puig’s reaction,” Wainwright said, according to USA Today. “I saw Adrian doing some Mickey Mouse stuff at second, but I didn’t see Puig.”

Gonzalez defended his actions by saying that’s his go-to move.

“I did what I always do, but we are in L.A., so Mickey Mouse is only an hour away,” he said.

the yankees are too lol to hate right now.

the cardinals are smug and gross, lad is full of rejected red sox.

More like taint sox

I spent all evening thinking of that

time well spent

yall are too focused on who to hate, u shd concern yrself with who to love