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Joey Votto has been awarded the 2017 Lou Marsh Trophy as Canada’s most outstanding athlete of the year.#reds

— Mark Sheldon (@m_sheldon) December 12, 2017

mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Cumlative Frequency
Batted Balls by Spray Direction
Votto v MLB (LHH)
Including foul balls
-45 is pure pull, +45 is pure opposite#Statcast
Interesting note: this is a pure "shift"; no clumping of balls being pulled or hit the other way. Just everything shifted 6 degrees. pic.twitter.com/UjJ4N8Z3vC

— Tangotiger (@tangotiger) January 5, 2018

k3vin k., Friday, 5 January 2018 02:31 (six years ago) link

two cumlatives, one tweet

Karl Malone, Friday, 5 January 2018 02:47 (six years ago) link

i have to admit, i'm a little confused by the chart. shouldn't a cumlative percentage chart add up to 100%? maybe batted balls more than 45 degrees in either direction aren't counted?

Karl Malone, Friday, 5 January 2018 02:50 (six years ago) link

three months pass...

make that seven

Congratulations to Joey Votto on winning his 7th James Tip O’Neill award as Canada’s best player. @Reds @baseballcanada pic.twitter.com/cY3K2tizlG

— CDN Baseball HOF (@CDNBaseballHOF) April 13, 2018

mookieproof, Friday, 13 April 2018 21:52 (six years ago) link

Votto's played nine full-time seasons, and they've all been good-to-(eight of them)-great. I'm surprised he didn't win all nine. They must have given one to Morneau, the other I don't know.

clemenza, Saturday, 14 April 2018 11:49 (six years ago) link

Ya. I’m trying to guess who else... Russ Martin maybe?

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 14 April 2018 11:54 (six years ago) link

List of winners:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_O%27Neill_Award

Morneau got it in 2008, Votto's first full year. They were pretty close, but Morneau was probably better.

Jason Bay got it in 2009--Votto was better

Votto split the award in 2011 with John Axford--Votto was better.

Morneau won again in 2014, when Votto missed half the season.

clemenza, Saturday, 14 April 2018 14:41 (six years ago) link

Wtf @ Axford?!

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 14 April 2018 14:55 (six years ago) link

Probably because of those amazing 46 saves he earned by throwing a few fastballs every couple days.

omar little, Saturday, 14 April 2018 15:31 (six years ago) link

votto loves his slow starts. was awful in spring training and has been sub-replacement so far this year

k3vin k., Sunday, 15 April 2018 04:44 (six years ago) link

wish i were a mod so i could ban you from this thread

mookieproof, Sunday, 15 April 2018 04:56 (six years ago) link

<3

mookieproof, Sunday, 15 April 2018 05:10 (six years ago) link

I gotta bad feeling if the Reds continue on their implosion path the club ownership might throw in the towel and trade Votto for as much as they can get.

To me, it seems a no brainer for a club with a situation like the Red Sox might try to deal to get Votto. He would be their ideal kind of hitter. Marketing wise, I think Votto in a big market (if he wanted to do it) could be huge especially with the hitting legacy in Boston.

Seems like the kinda deal the Blue Jays might also do.

I think it possible.

earlnash, Sunday, 15 April 2018 08:19 (six years ago) link

Would love to have him in Toronto, of course, but I doubt the timing's right. Smoak continues to play well on the cheap--and the guys in charge are cheap--and Donaldson's health issues relegate him to DH more and more. And, while Guerrero's untouchable, I wouldn't want the Reds to pry Bichette away in a deal.

clemenza, Sunday, 15 April 2018 12:15 (six years ago) link

I think his contract makes him really hard to move. I love Votto but no one is going to give up a Vlad or Bichette level talent to pay Joey that much money over his decline years.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 15 April 2018 14:07 (six years ago) link

I wouldn’t even want to part with a Teoscar.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 15 April 2018 14:21 (six years ago) link

i don't think you'd have to give up much in the way of prospects to get votto -- just a willingness to pay his enormous salary

mookieproof, Sunday, 15 April 2018 18:28 (six years ago) link

3-3 with a homer, a double, and 2 walks today. wRC+ back to 130 all of the sudden

k3vin k., Saturday, 28 April 2018 04:10 (six years ago) link

Another classic from Joey Votto. I’ll never understand how people don’t like this man.

“Shout out to Canada.” pic.twitter.com/TNQ2j4zv7L

— Aaron Woods (@AaronWoods1410) April 28, 2018

Andy K, Saturday, 28 April 2018 18:42 (six years ago) link

"Below zero Celsius shout out to Canada."

That's even better.

It is good to see how much confidence Votto has developed on TV over the years. I think he has a career in broadcasting if he wants it when done.

earlnash, Saturday, 28 April 2018 18:59 (six years ago) link

How many of the great hitters, Votto type players, ended up being good hitting coaches? Managers?

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 28 April 2018 23:32 (six years ago) link

Joe Torre was a pretty darn good hitter. Won an MVP and a batting title.

earlnash, Sunday, 29 April 2018 00:20 (six years ago) link

Yeah, lots...
Molitor, Mattingly, Baker, who is that guy who owns the Marlins again?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 29 April 2018 00:30 (six years ago) link

Votto type players

Not sure if any of those guys are Votto-type players, though--Mattingly in his prime would be the closest. Ted Williams and Frank Robinson weren't particularly successful as managers; Ruth waited around for a call that never came.

clemenza, Sunday, 29 April 2018 01:34 (six years ago) link

Yeah i'm thinking hitting first mad scientists (135 wrc+ career), Ted Williams and Frank Robinson fit that description. One that seems to have been rather successful is Reggie Jackson. Molitor isn't too far, that being said. Looking if they are able to share their insights in a structured way.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 29 April 2018 01:44 (six years ago) link

For some reason I was under the impression Reggie Jackson had been a coach (bench or hitting) with the Yankees, but he was not.

Frank Howard did have a good coaching career.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 29 April 2018 01:47 (six years ago) link

McGwire?

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 29 April 2018 03:43 (six years ago) link

i think votto would be a fantastic hitting coach. from the little i know of him, i’m not sure he has the personality one might look for in a modern manager

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 April 2018 05:45 (six years ago) link

JOEY VOTTO MAKES A POINT OF REMINDING ST. LOUIS UBER DRIVERS THAT HE BEAT ALBERT PUJOLS IN THE 2010 NL MVP RACEhttps://t.co/2ZYHBEeBIl pic.twitter.com/3GVcy7AcyF

— Vlad Needer Birenbaum (@birenball) May 3, 2018

mookieproof, Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:17 (six years ago) link

Lou Boudreau

timellison, Thursday, 3 May 2018 14:45 (six years ago) link

haha ok someone with an athletic account needs to post this interview plz

k3vin k., Thursday, 3 May 2018 16:19 (six years ago) link

A young Joey Votto got a close-up look at greatness early in his career, playing in the same division as Albert Pujols.

Votto's first two full seasons in the big leagues were 2008 and 2009, when Pujols won his second and third Most Valuable Player awards. In 2010, Pujols finished second -- to Votto.

With Pujols on the cusp of 3,000 hits, Votto talked to The Athletic about what Pujols meant to him, the game and even the city of St. Louis.

When you were a young player and you were in this division and you saw him a lot, what did you take from watching him as much as you got to see him in those days?

He was an intimidating figure in many different ways -- an older man, a bigger man, clearly when I entered into the league, he'd already established himself as one of the very best players, if not the best player in the game. He was very territorial. He wanted it to be known that he was the best player and the best at his position. He may not have ever said it, but he's a very competitive man. It was helpful for me because I really like to compete against the best. He was in our division. He was the toast of St. Louis, so that's about as good as it gets when St. Louis is playing well, when they have a marquee guy, obviously they were winning World Series, he's winning awards, so it was a lot of good things happening in that city and for him.

It was my first experience, he and that team, of what Major League Baseball at its finest looks like. It wasn't until he left and went to Anaheim that I think -- always when he was in a Cardinals uniform, I felt -- I don't want to use the word intimidated because it implies that I thought of myself as second, but I was just always aware of how special he was. He was a tremendous defensive player, I don't think he gets enough credit for that. Once he was more comfortable with me as a player and more familiar, he was generous with his knowledge.

I think when it's all said and done, he'll go down as an all-time great, an inner-circle guy, conversation for best at the position. Again, when I played against him, I got to see him in his prime and there are too many examples of games and moments where you just thought, 'Oh boy, this guy's on another level.' In every which way. It was a real treat.

The thing that fascinates me the most about him, that if you ask any player playing with him or against him that if he'd ever played with a player that is better than him, the answer would be, unequivocally, no. And now he's in Anaheim and playing with a player that almost without question is a better player than him. It has to take arguably the greatest player of all time to be better than him. I thought that was really interesting that if this all-time great player… it always fascinated me. I could not, if anyone had ever asked me, could you imagine Albert playing with a better player, I would have said, 'I don't know if that's possible.' That's how good he is.

Was there ever a point where he said something to let you know that he thought highly of you? Or that you were accepted?

No. I think with time, when we play against each other more infrequently, he's more happy to see me and handshakes and hugs and 'How you doing?' and 'Great to see you' and 'Keep playing well,' those sort of conversations. But while we were going head-to-head, he was never friendly like that -- ever, ever, ever. That was something I respected from him. I loved that in an athlete. I kind of get uncomfortable with a lot of buddy-buddyness on the field when you're competing and both want something. That was my perspective.

So back in those days, you're on first base and there's no chit-chat?

There would be times where we didn't speak for an entire series. I never took it personally. I never thought or felt terribly uncomfortable with it because -- again, I felt like he had his own thing going and I can relate to it now because there are times where I don't want to deal with certain stuff.

I was a younger player, I had two or three years in the league and he was at 10 already. He's got so much more time than I do in the game. Now the fruits of that time are showing up with all the hits and the home runs. It's amazing the career he's had.

I hope that with a little bit of distance… I'm speaking out of turn here, I hope that eventually it comes full circle and he gets to go back to St. Louis and embraced appropriately and he gets to be a part of that sort of family that they have. I know it was a very difficult "break up," but I think it's better for the game and, more importantly, better for St. Louis because of how important the Cardinals are to that city and how really, Albert's probably the best player -- him and Stan (Musial) are the best two players that ever played (there).

He won championships there. It's something that no matter how well I play here, I look at all the guys that come back, and the one thing they all have in common -- Barry Larkin, obviously the Big Red Machine -- they've won championships. Teams love the players associated with their very best moments and obviously, championships are marquee moments. The biggest moment in my life is the Toronto Blue Jays winning back-to-back World Series. It's probably the most joy I've ever felt. Albert, I hope, gets back to St. Louis and be embraced appropriately and be able to give back, also.

You beat him for the MVP in 2010…

I'm very aware of that. I've told many a St. Louis Uber driver that. They ask me who I am, they say, "You play baseball?"

I say, "Yes."

They say, "Wow, what team?"

I say, "Cincinnati."

They say, "Oh, where's that?"

I say, "Oh, it's in Ohio."

They'll say, "OK."

I say, "Do you know Albert Pujols?"

"Oh yes, of course."

I'll say, "Well, I beat him for the Most Valuable Player. He came in second to me."

He did come in second, that was a very proud moment and what's funny is he finished second and it may not have been in his seven or eight or nine best seasons. That's how good he was and how much of a monopoly he had on first base in the National League in terms of dominance. So I'm glad I snagged one.

mookieproof, Thursday, 3 May 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link

damn, joey votto gives a good interview. he says a lot of insightful things, but also things like "The biggest moment in my life is the Toronto Blue Jays winning back-to-back World Series." which is really interesting but also kind of sad! also, re:

[I hope that with a little bit of distance… I'm speaking out of turn here, I hope that eventually it comes full circle and he gets to go back to St. Louis and embraced appropriately and he gets to be a part of that sort of family that they have. I know it was a very difficult "break up," but I think it's better for the game and, more importantly, better for St. Louis because of how important the Cardinals are to that city and how really, Albert's probably the best player -- him and Stan (Musial) are the best two players that ever played (there).

please don't let this happen. or if it does, make it a july deadline trade and august retirement ceremony

Karl Malone, Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:24 (six years ago) link

I'd root for the Yankees to win the world series if he was in their lineup.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link

let's not get crazy here

mookieproof, Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link

We Canadian baseball fans have the heroes we get.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:39 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

With the 3-5 game last night against the Rockies, Mr. Vottomatic has now passed the .300 mark this season and is up to .306 for the first time. Votto seems to take about 5 weeks to get going the past few years.

Freeland pitched him well and Votto got one hit the opposite way right off his hands. JV was only 1-13 against Mike Dunn coming into the game and he hit another chip shot single the other way with Dunn busting him in on his hands. Tony Gwynn and Pete Rose would have been proud, both singles looked like something out of their book.

earlnash, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 09:44 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

Today in Joey Votto being the best: A montage of Votto faking out Adam Duvall every time Votto scores and Duvall tries to high five him. (Documented by @EWPod listener Noah Stafford (@jondowd51.)https://t.co/HW5EE51Ip7

— Ben Lindbergh (@BenLindbergh) July 13, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 14:16 (five years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiVAkDqXkAUUCPH.jpg:small

mookieproof, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link

<3

k3vin k., Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:09 (five years ago) link

Votto kind of reminds me of Andrew WK.

timellison, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 21:41 (five years ago) link

#Reds Joey Votto has 6,563 career plate appearances.

He has never popped out to the catcher, pitcher, or first basemen.

— Ryan M. Spaeder (@theaceofspaeder) July 20, 2018

mookieproof, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:39 (five years ago) link

That’s just fucking weird

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 18:13 (five years ago) link

think i popped up to all three in my softball game last night.

InfoWarriors (Spottie), Friday, 20 July 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link

that is wrong, joey votto. you can't do that.

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 18:17 (five years ago) link

wow that’s an absurd stat

k3vin k., Friday, 20 July 2018 21:25 (five years ago) link

<3

k3vin k., Monday, 11 September 2023 23:57 (nine months ago) link

two weeks pass...

The lack of hubbub going down the stretch kind of leans me to think the Reds and Joey might have already discussed him coming back for next year on his option season.

Reds got to pay him 7 million either way, so I don't think it is out of the possibility they might throw in few more bones for JV to play a final season.

At this point, I think Votto would be best used now as a spot starter and super 'Rusty Staub' style pinch hitter - especially that the Reds got two young big bats in Strand and Steer whose best position on the field is first base. Steer has some options to move around, but Strand is pretty much a 1b/DH.

I kinda think the options are good for mojo/clubhouse purposes as there is a really strong case for the Reds to move Jonathan India to get a starting pitcher. Same thing, there is so much talent to pay 2nd/SS for the Reds, India while the closest thing to a team captain they got and popular, is the one closest to free agency and a big raise.

earlnash, Saturday, 30 September 2023 11:19 (eight months ago) link

Oh yeah, I found in my desk a Reds score card from Votto's rookie year, the game I saw where he hit 3 HRs against the Cubs. Pretty cool that I have hung on to this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfTKpXWMQQw

I also saw Todd Frazier's infamous one armed home run against Jamie Moyer and Eric Davis' first catch of two in a weekend robbing Jack Clark of a home run in person. Those are pretty much the 3 big plays/games I saw in person.

earlnash, Saturday, 30 September 2023 11:25 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

https://theathletic.com/5030604/2023/11/04/reds-decline-joey-votto-option/

I know how chimerical this sounds, but if I were the Jays, I'd absolutely take a chance and bring him in for one year. We've been talking a lot about intangibles, and god knows, he'd bring some the things this team is desperately in need of--most of all a presence that they just don't have (and that Semien gave them). They might even catch lighting in a bottle and get something resembling Pujols' final season. Probably not, but I think he'd be good for 10 HR, walks, and a .250/.350/.450 slash line if they rested him and picked their spots.

clemenza, Saturday, 4 November 2023 16:23 (seven months ago) link

"lightning"

clemenza, Saturday, 4 November 2023 16:28 (seven months ago) link

I can’t explain it - but he def feels like the type of hitter to kick it into a higher gear if he knows for sure the season is his last.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 5 November 2023 04:57 (seven months ago) link

The Jays are going to need a new DH. It could be a nice fit.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 5 November 2023 10:20 (seven months ago) link

pic.twitter.com/b6by6rXPKP

— Joey Votto (@JoeyVotto) November 5, 2023



He’s also been posting pictures of favourite teammates and coaches on Instagram.

mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Sunday, 5 November 2023 15:15 (seven months ago) link

three months pass...

What a fun mission. 😂

Joey Votto was on a scavenger hunt for mascots during #NHLAllStar. pic.twitter.com/Oq8XM8UtbC

— NHL (@NHL) February 3, 2024

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Monday, 5 February 2024 12:05 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

Is this the end?

2 seasons below replacement off/def not helped by Mendoza line BA. Veteran presence not worth the team option apparently.

Feels bad man.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 17:12 (three months ago) link

I hate seeing his posts about this

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 17:16 (three months ago) link

Idk how it worked in the past but the roster spots are precious and he’s obviously well past the options stage of his career where you could stash him in triple A and at least play him there. Supposedly he’s had offers but who knows. I don’t think the Reds even did a farewell for him so it’s not like some Brandon Crawford thing where there was the last home series dedicated to him.

He clearly still wants to play. I don’t actually know anything about him off the field but I saw that he deleted all the photos off his Instagram except three from this year, which seems…bad.

It kind of feels that the Reds just cut him loose and that was it? Yeah it’s a hard sport but if he’s a Hall of Famer, he’s going in in a Reds cap - maybe they could have tried a little harder to offer a mentoring gig? But then again, assuming he still wants to play, that may have happened & he turned it down.

Feel like the Red Sox would have taken a flier on him if he was right handed - he still managed 14 home runs last season and he would be the perfect mentor for Casas. Blue Jays have Vladdy. I can’t think of any other teams besides those three that would make sense for him.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 17:30 (three months ago) link

Jays are missing an opportunity, in my opinion. Even with Turner taking care of part of what they would have gotten from him--and I know roster spots are finite--I'd still like to have him.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 19:54 (three months ago) link

Whose roster spot does he take though? 13/26 are pitchers, 9 are starters, 4 are bench guys.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 20:07 (three months ago) link

it is unfortunate but the only place that made sense was toronto, and as a team with playoff ambitions, they're much better off with turner (who apparently is a much-beloved veteran presence who helps younger players a great deal)

joey won't sell tickets anywhere else and he's not worth the roster spot anymore ;_;

mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 21:04 (three months ago) link

I totally understand the rational, hard-headed argument against him, and I usually lean in that direction myself. This team is just so desparately in need of all that character stuff (and I think a starting pitcher, like Gausman, can only provide so much of that). Hopefully Turner covers enough of that.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 21:31 (three months ago) link

And the Jays do need a lhh

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 21:38 (three months ago) link

With 13-man pitching staffs, teams don't have room for veteran pinch-hitter/occasional DH's anymore. With four bench guys, there's almost no flexibility in roster construction -- you need a catcher, two infielders, and at least one outfielder. If he could reproduce Belt's slash stats from last year then it could still be worth it, but I don't think he's got it in him anymore.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 7 March 2024 09:09 (three months ago) link

Belt should have a job, never mind Votto!

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 7 March 2024 13:20 (three months ago) link

Joey Votto has agreed to a non-roster invite with the Blue Jays. He is back.

— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) March 8, 2024

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 8 March 2024 18:22 (three months ago) link

Great! He either earns a spot or he doesn't--but at least they're giving it a shot.

clemenza, Friday, 8 March 2024 18:40 (three months ago) link

looks like it either him or Vogelbach. hopefully this doesn't block Spencer Horwitz, tho i think he'll have a good shot at LF.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 9 March 2024 16:08 (three months ago) link

Reds got a jam of young guys that can play first or DH.

Votto might just join those guys who have that last hurrah on another team like say Billy Williams with the As or Ron Sanyo with the White Sox. Willie Mays going back to NY and Hank to Milwaukee a bit different.

The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Sunday, 10 March 2024 02:03 (three months ago) link

Ron Sanyo and J.D. Marantz should have been teammates.

(I empathize--I've been bemoaning my own typos.)

clemenza, Sunday, 10 March 2024 02:15 (three months ago) link

Hell yeah

H.P, Monday, 18 March 2024 01:16 (three months ago) link

“I accidentally stepped on a bat in the dugout, rolled my ankle and it hurt like the dickens,”

Most blue jays thing ever

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 18 March 2024 01:18 (three months ago) link

As the only person he follows on twitter, I feel like he needs to see this. https://t.co/BuUlgtuQJl pic.twitter.com/0d9Wxlpd4r

— Devin Mesoraco (@DMesoraco) March 19, 2024

, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 14:06 (three months ago) link

I should in theory post this to the spring training content thread, but Joey Votto…

Spoilers for Love is Blind here

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4yqTY9RYZv/

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 22 March 2024 13:42 (three months ago) link


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