Clemens and Bonds also played in an era where steroids were really common and nobody had really been punished for using them yet, if Verlander was pitching in that era he'd 100% be using them
― after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Saturday, 19 November 2022 21:19 (one year ago) link
xp that’s what I kept thinking about watching him pitch in postseason too - his velocity was pretty sustained even when he was being drawn out on lots of pitches. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also this, which was maybe a reaction to the above:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/15429713/justin-verlander-asks-changes-ped-rules-dee-gordon-tests-positive
(Made me laugh: "Verlander said he is strict about what he puts in own body. He said his girlfriend, supermodel and actress Kate Upton, has suggested he take some of the vitamins she does, but he refuses unless things are NSF-certified.")
There were definitely lots of people who didn't get caught, including, I'm pretty sure, a handful in the HOF. But I think what we're saying is that using in the year 2000 had no repercussions, not yet. Using in 2022, if you get caught, has major repercussions.
― clemenza, Saturday, 19 November 2022 21:21 (one year ago) link
Verlander was Cano gets suspended vs. Verlander when former Tigers teammate Jhonny Peralta got suspended. pic.twitter.com/rnKEdhkeIZ— Mike Axisa (@mikeaxisa) May 15, 2018
― after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Saturday, 19 November 2022 21:23 (one year ago) link
Twitter's demise will be a great gift to every living baseball player.
― clemenza, Saturday, 19 November 2022 21:25 (one year ago) link
i will say that i was sort of surprised when i saw Verlander’s face recently. i hadn’t paid too much attention to him in a couple of years. he suddenly looks kind of beefy and bloated around the jowls in a way that i associate with mcgwire, clemens etc.
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 20 November 2022 09:55 (one year ago) link
comeback player of the year (AL)
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 08:36 (one year ago) link
More like PEDs are making a comeback! (Kidding.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 14:45 (one year ago) link
Steeling myself for when these ads are every other commercial on Houston TV in the autumn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGiKhz_5YFI
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 23:17 (one year ago) link
Lost, but pretty solid start yesterday: 7 IP, 2 runs, 2 BB, 4 K. Of course hoping for him vs. Scherzer in a crucial September game.
― clemenza, Sunday, 6 August 2023 13:03 (one year ago) link
I didn't realize he won his 250th game the other day (and 251st last night)--did that get any attention? There must have been stories about how he'll be the last guy ever to win 250. He turned 40 in February, so 300 seems almost inconceivable. But I wouldn't rule it out completely if he wants to keep going. Ryan pitched till he was 46, Randy Johnson 45, Clemens 44; whether one or all of them got some help, probably.
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 August 2023 14:30 (one year ago) link
Carlton lasted to 43, but his was terrible his last two seasons.
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 August 2023 14:32 (one year ago) link
"he"
He seems quite ready to play till nobody wants him, so I guess it'll be health and money, in that order--if he's healthy, I'm sure someone will be willing to pay him.
https://www.sportico.com/leagues/baseball/2023/justin-verlander-mets-300-wins-chase-1234730600/
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 August 2023 16:08 (one year ago) link
I feel like 300 wins is one of those achievements that'll definitely be accomplished but it'll truly require a Maddux-like level of being consistently injury free and declining slowly vs precipitously.
There's no one under the age of 30 with 100 career wins. Top 3: Berrios (29 yrs old, 81 wins), Marquez (28 yrs old, 65 wins), Giolito (28 yrs old, 60 wins).
― omar little, Saturday, 12 August 2023 16:51 (one year ago) link
I wonder if Verlander's injury troubles the last few seasons have been a trade-off: costing him wins, obviously, but saving him innings and extending his career. If he is serious about 300, I'd do my best to stay in Houston.
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 August 2023 17:00 (one year ago) link
Had the game on in the background last night, listening more than watching. Two outs away from a shutout; got a great inning-ending DP early in the game after loading the bases.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 26 September 2023 13:00 (one year ago) link
Man, that Justin Verlander's a great pitcher.
https://phildellio.tripod.com/lincecum.jpg
(Kidding around here.)
― clemenza, Friday, 10 November 2023 14:56 (ten months ago) link
lol
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Friday, 10 November 2023 16:59 (ten months ago) link
Returns tonight. He was good last year, but how long can he keep this up? Clemens won a Cy Young at 41; probably had some help. Spahn, Johnson, and Ryan were good. Maddux was so-so. I don't know if there are any other relevant comparisons.
― clemenza, Friday, 19 April 2024 22:39 (five months ago) link
he got shelled in his two minor league rehab outings
― mookieproof, Friday, 19 April 2024 23:15 (five months ago) link
Didn't know that...I should have included Seaver and Glavine; both so-so at 41. I left out guys like Jamie Moyer and Bartolo Colon--impressive careers, but not the same caliber as the others. Left out Niekro, too, for obvious reasons.
― clemenza, Friday, 19 April 2024 23:51 (five months ago) link
One guy who famously tried to stretch it out and fell apart at 41 was Carlton.
― clemenza, Friday, 19 April 2024 23:53 (five months ago) link
6 IP, 2 ER, 4 H, 4 K, 0 BB, 78 pitches is nice work, even if it is against the nats
8/21 first-pitch strikes is subpar, but maybe even more impressive that he overcame it
― mookieproof, Saturday, 20 April 2024 00:40 (five months ago) link
260th win, top 10 in strikeouts:
https://www.mlb.com/news/justin-verlander-passes-greg-maddux-for-10th-all-time-in-strikeouts
― clemenza, Saturday, 25 May 2024 06:48 (four months ago) link
I agree with the URL here: unlikely but not impossible.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/will-justin-verlander-get-to-300-wins-why-milestone-is-unlikely-but-not-impossible-for-astros-veteran/
6% according to the Favorite Toy. The first necessity is someone who actually cares about getting there, and Verlander does seem to check that box. With the indifference to pitcher wins in the analytic era, it might be more of a curiosity than anything else if he managed to pull it off.
― clemenza, Friday, 31 May 2024 02:24 (three months ago) link
His 0.4 fWAR/-0.1 bWAR so far this season isn't doing him a lot of favors in the projections department.
Which team would be willing to roster him for the sake of vanity counting stats when he's marginally above replacement and in questionable health?
― Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Friday, 31 May 2024 03:19 (three months ago) link
The Angels
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 31 May 2024 03:22 (three months ago) link
Which team would be willing to roster him
most of them?
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 31 May 2024 05:13 (three months ago) link
Has he ever looked worse?
0-3, 6.93 ERA, 39 avg GameScore over last 5 starts against mostly <.500 teams.
― Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 3 September 2024 19:46 (three weeks ago) link
Feel like he looks worse every start, maybe he’s not recovering as well as he used to after games
― Romy Gonzalez’s utility infusion (gyac), Tuesday, 3 September 2024 19:47 (three weeks ago) link
I get this mental image of him, Scherzer, and Kershaw limping to the finish line, waiting to see which one falls down first and withdraws from the race.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 3 September 2024 19:53 (three weeks ago) link
The Dodgers want Kershaw to be back and ready for the playoffs. If they need him...good luck, L.A.
I've never seen a more cursed starting rotation predictable outcome.
― omar little, Tuesday, 3 September 2024 20:01 (three weeks ago) link
Has Scherzer been sighted at all? I know DeGrom was throwing quite recently
― Romy Gonzalez’s utility infusion (gyac), Tuesday, 3 September 2024 20:08 (three weeks ago) link
Verlander struggling since return from IL, only 71 ip for season, so Mets off the hook for $17 mil in '25. Scherzer on IL again, only 39 ip. Cohen's decision to eat money/move on from both last year paved the way for '24 success, with Stearns' smart signings of Severino/Manaea.— John Harper (@NYNJHarper) September 3, 2024
― Romy Gonzalez’s utility infusion (gyac), Tuesday, 3 September 2024 20:10 (three weeks ago) link
I was going to include deGrom in that group, but I read he's pitching well in the minors--the finish line still seems a ways down the road for him (unless he just suddenly decides it isn't worth it anymore). Scherzer, not sure what's going on.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 3 September 2024 20:11 (three weeks ago) link
Verlander and Scherzer tied as the active leaders in strikeouts with 3,405 (in 3,397 and 2,874 IP, respectively)
― omar little, Tuesday, 3 September 2024 20:14 (three weeks ago) link
(xpost) "Worth it" in terms of what he puts his body through, I should say--obviously, it's really worth it in other ways.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 3 September 2024 20:30 (three weeks ago) link
In deGrom's last 254.2 IP (2020-2023), which at one point might've been a not atypical number for a starting pitcher --
397 Ks, 0.734 whip, 192 ERA+, 2.12 ERA
― omar little, Tuesday, 3 September 2024 20:33 (three weeks ago) link
no amount of flashy stats can combat how frustrated all of us are to not see him pitch in his prime
― Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 4 September 2024 00:22 (three weeks ago) link
Otm
― H.P, Wednesday, 4 September 2024 00:38 (three weeks ago) link
Casas stood at his locker inside the visitors' clubhouse, preparing for an interview following the Sox's crucial series-clinching win against the Astros. A clubhouse attendant approached Casas's area, gathering his game-worn gray New Balance cleats, packing the first baseman's bag as the team prepared to head back to Boston."Excuse me, don't take those please," Casas said to the clubbie.Casas turned the cleats around, showing that they had been authenticated.Why?"(Those are the cleats worn)on my JustinVerlander hit,' Casas said.
― Romy Gonzalez’s utility infusion (gyac), Wednesday, 4 September 2024 00:50 (three weeks ago) link
no amount of flashy stats can combat how frustrated all of us are to not see him pitch in his prime― Michael F Gill, Tuesday, September 3, 2024 5:22 PM (yesterday)
― Michael F Gill, Tuesday, September 3, 2024 5:22 PM (yesterday)
I feel like I just got carded at the bodega.
― Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 4 September 2024 16:29 (three weeks ago) link
It may hurt more as a Mets fan.
― Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 4 September 2024 19:50 (three weeks ago) link
yikes, just when you thought he couldn't look worse...
― Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Monday, 9 September 2024 03:00 (two weeks ago) link
That's got to be one of his half-dozen worst starts ever.
― clemenza, Monday, 9 September 2024 17:33 (two weeks ago) link