i didn't know about several of those father/son combos, and i always forget about the alomar family
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 18:04 (one year ago) link
here's a fun one. what player was taken off the field on a stretcher ELEVEN TIMES - six times while conscious, five times unconscious?
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 18:05 (one year ago) link
trivial hint that won't be helpful: he's the #1 player comp for julio rodriguez this year (which means he was very, very, very good)
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 18:06 (one year ago) link
I don't know how this squares with your clues, but the hardest one to me is the W's even more than the S's. I think W's son is all but forgotten now.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 18:12 (one year ago) link
oh, my trivia question is totally separate from the father/son question, sorry! just something i learned earlier this morning and wanted to share.
on the father/son question, i didn't even know that the W, P, or S players had family that also played
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 18:17 (one year ago) link
Crossed wires, got it...Fred Lynn for your question? Fred was banging into walls daily.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 18:31 (one year ago) link
I don’t think there is a “P” in the father/son thing?
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 18:37 (one year ago) link
according to the tweet clemenza posted a bit upthread, there is
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 18:43 (one year ago) link
and no on fred lynn! didn't know he was a wallbanger. but you're on the right track - it's an outfielder
There is a 'P' on the tweet, yes--that might be the extra one, as most other sources say there were only seven combinations he struck out.
I checked on the answer to KM's question, and it's a player who Lynn was often compared to; found two or three pieces that mentioned them in tandem.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 18:45 (one year ago) link
Oh wow. I hadn’t gone by the tweet - I had googled it after I gave up and landed somewhere else that didn’t have “p”!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 18:53 (one year ago) link
even more trivia! was just reading about Jayson Werth and learned that he is the grandson and nephew of one of the father/son combos that ryan struck out!
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 21:04 (one year ago) link
I was curious about the P combination--may as well say: Tony and Eduardo Perez--so I checked out Ryan's game logs.
On April 27, 1968, in his fifth game ever and fourth start, Ryan struck out Tony Perez the first time he faced him. I assume he struck him out a few times after that. (They usually were in different leagues, but not always.)
On August 10, 1993--more than 25 years and seven presidents later--in his 802nd game, and sixth-last start ever, Ryan struck out Eduardo (in his rookie season) the first time he faced him.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 23:19 (one year ago) link
Next bit of trivia: name the seven presidents Nolan Ryan struck out.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 19 January 2023 01:01 (one year ago) link
joe dimaggio struck out a president
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 January 2023 03:57 (one year ago) link
or wait, no he didn't. somehow i was jumbling jfk, jackie, marilyn monroe, and joe dimaggio in my head
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 January 2023 03:59 (one year ago) link
More like a president struck out Joe DiMaggio, then, eh?
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 19 January 2023 14:54 (one year ago) link
this is open-ended "trivia", because i only know of a few examples off hand and i'm curious who else did it.
tom seaver, in 1975, requested that his salary be decreased from 173K to 139K, because he didn't feel like he had performed well enough in 1974 to earn it.
stan musial, in 1960, requested that his salary be reduced from 100K to 80K, because he didn't like he had performed well enough in 1959 to justify it.
i'm not sure if seaver intended to or not, but both reductions were 20% pay cuts.
have any other players done this?
― Karl Malone, Monday, 23 January 2023 16:21 (one year ago) link
Hard to think of any other examples. There was that time Andre Dawson wanted to sign with the Cubs and it was a blank contract situation, where he told them they could just fill in the salary for whatever they felt was appropriate for a one year deal. So they wrote in $500,000.
― omar little, Monday, 23 January 2023 16:35 (one year ago) link
But that was a weird situation heading into the 1987 season, collusion etc, and he signed a much better deal the year after that.
Swear I read about an example of this just the other day--I just have to get through the clutter in my brain to remember who it was.
― clemenza, Monday, 23 January 2023 16:41 (one year ago) link
from r/baseball, i thought this one was good (should be easy for you lot):
73 Phil Niekro52 Tim Wakefield43 Hoyt Wilhelm38 Charlie Hough32 Wilbur Wood30 Joe Niekro24 Dutch Leonard24 Tom Candiotti18 Felix Hernandez18 R.A. Dickey
Name the stat
― francisF, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 17:52 (one year ago) link
hit batsmen?
― The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Tuesday, 24 January 2023 18:10 (one year ago) link
that's a good guess, and maybe right?
what's throwing me is king felix. did he throw a knuckleball?
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 18:11 (one year ago) link
well for Niekro i know that's how old he was when he retired but the other guys don't line up with that
― omar little, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 18:33 (one year ago) link
I’m out of my depth in this thread but dying to know what Felix has in common with the knuckleball guys!
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 20:09 (one year ago) link
so is this a top 10 list and the numbers are their career totals? or is this just a random pull of some stat for a bunch of knuckleballers plus king felix?
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 24 January 2023 20:26 (one year ago) link
maybe... most wild pitches in a season?
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 24 January 2023 20:27 (one year ago) link
i think that's one of the mysteries of the trivia question!
dutch leonard's presence is also throwing me a bit, because it means it would have to be some sort of stat that goes back to the old timers era
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 20:27 (one year ago) link
(if that's a top-10 list)xpost
thought this might be right, because 18 is the highest number of WP's that Felix threw in a season. but phil niekro topped out at 19 in a season (in 1967)
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 20:31 (one year ago) link
it's got to be something along those lines
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 24 January 2023 20:42 (one year ago) link
Didn't Felix throw a "slow curve" sometimes? It could be a list of "most pitches thrown under 50 mph in a season"?
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 20:46 (one year ago) link
its a top ten, yeah. wild pitch is along the right lines
― francisF, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 20:48 (one year ago) link
HBP was my first guess, but that's not right
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 20:48 (one year ago) link
Passed balls?
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 20:50 (one year ago) link
please expand
― francisF, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 20:52 (one year ago) link
PB + WP (season)
― The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Tuesday, 24 January 2023 20:53 (one year ago) link
PB and/or WP + X + X (career)
― francisF, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 20:59 (one year ago) link
or* not and/or
― francisF, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 21:01 (one year ago) link
but Felix had 156 WP's in his career?
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 21:02 (one year ago) link
X are added conditions (one stat but also this and also that put together) i hope i'm making sense lol, you guys'll get it
― francisF, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 21:04 (one year ago) link
oooh, gotcha!
maybe X is with the bases loaded or a runner on third?
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 21:07 (one year ago) link
basically, most runs scored on the pitcher via passed ball or wild pitch?
no, getting closer
― francisF, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 21:18 (one year ago) link
Most strikeouts where the batter reached base via WP or PB or dropped third strike (catcher error) or ...?
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 21:23 (one year ago) link
bingo
― francisF, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 21:35 (one year ago) link
i think most strikeouts while allowing a runner is the best way to put it
― francisF, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 21:36 (one year ago) link
so wp/pa would be inferred
― francisF, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 21:38 (one year ago) link
wp/pb*