Consulting the two WAR systems over both the current partial season and the last calendar year (ie bcz Marcell Ozuna should not be considered to start), I came up with this ballot today:
CNL: Posey (arguable alternative: Lucroy)AL: S. Perez
1bNL: Goldschmidt (aa: Rizzo, Votto)AL: Davis (aa: Cabrera)
2bNL: Zobrist (aa: Murphy)AL: Altuve
SSNL: Crawford (aa: Seager)AL: Bogaerts (aa: Lindor, Machado)
3bNL: Arenado (aa: Bryant, Carpenter)AL: Donaldson
OFNL: Fowler, Harper, Marte (aa: Cespedes, Herrera)AL: Betts, Cain, Trout (aa: Bradley, Eaton, Pillar)
DH: Ortiz
Notes:Goldschmidt still underrated; so is Votto, but his current year is too weak to vote for. Chris Davis still has too awesome a case over the last 365 days for me to vote Miggy.Murphy is a butcher in the field and an outspoken homophobe; I have no doubt Zobrist will prove the clearly superior choice by year's end.It's a crime Lindor isn't even in the top 5 in SS voting.Machado has played SS nearly all year, to vote for him at 3b is unfair to Donaldson.Would've loved to throw a homer vote tp Yoenis, but the depth of his current slump put me off it.
As discussed on the BP podcast yesterday, to put MadBum in the HR Derby would add juice; the weird push for a pitchers' Derby misses the point.
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 16:48 (eight years ago) link
very well-rounded ballot
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 17:02 (eight years ago) link
I also did not realize Bryant had played so much OF this year, which sealed my choice of Arenado.
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 19:12 (eight years ago) link
looking like EDUARDO NUNEZ will be an All-Star, tho AL SS is prob crowded so maybe FERNANDO ABAD
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 16 June 2016 12:03 (eight years ago) link
no idea how he grades out defensively but wilson ramos is having a hellof a yr i think hes stolen bryces mojo
― johnny crunch, Friday, 17 June 2016 12:51 (eight years ago) link
hardy's back and manny's back at 3B, kind of weird to toss him in at SS for the ASG when it's still not really "his" position
― qualx, Sunday, 19 June 2016 06:31 (eight years ago) link
@BNightengale2B Omar Infante, released today by Royals, still in 4th place on AL All-Star balloting, just 61,000 votes behind 3rd place Dustin Pedroia.
― Andy K, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 18:57 (eight years ago) link
legit surprised that both mookie AND jbj have enough votes to be starting outfielders as of right now (one will fall behind tho i'm sure)
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 19:00 (eight years ago) link
Betts deserves more credit for last year
amazing the KC fans haven't been homer-voting more strongly for a deserving starter like Cain, given some of their fetid support at other positions
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 19:56 (eight years ago) link
i guess the results were announced lol
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 01:16 (eight years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cmo9PmvVIAA0A2f.jpg
― Andy K, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 01:24 (eight years ago) link
weird that theo isn't an all-star too
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 01:32 (eight years ago) link
oh selection show was tonight. usta be Sunday.
Posey over Molina! Evil defeated!
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 02:26 (eight years ago) link
AL v Cubs.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 02:46 (eight years ago) link
You know, it's almost like Collins doesn't know Familia is his 6th-most valuable pitcher.
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 14:21 (eight years ago) link
Quintana, Kluber and B Crawford not being picked is fuckin' ridic.
http://espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/insider/post/_/id/5283/five-players-who-belong-on-all-star-roster-and-five-who-dont
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 16:33 (eight years ago) link
jumped out to me how much younger on par the nl is vs al, I guess that makes sense to an extent
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 16:38 (eight years ago) link
that's not what Ken Rosenthal's lede is:
"The youth of the American League starting position players is unprecedented.
All eight AL fielders will be 26 or under, a first in All-Star history, according to STATS LLC (designated hitter David Ortiz is 40)."
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 16:43 (eight years ago) link
Kluber, Aledmys Diaz named as All-Star injury replacements
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 July 2016 20:04 (eight years ago) link
BARTOLO
― mookieproof, Friday, 8 July 2016 19:04 (eight years ago) link
HR Derby sub?
― clemenza, Friday, 8 July 2016 19:13 (eight years ago) link
srsly?
44 minutes to get those Final Votes in for Marte and Kinsler
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 July 2016 19:15 (eight years ago) link
@jaysonstBartolo Colon has been added to NL All Stars to replace Madison Bumgarner (pitching Sunday). Can we also add Bartolo to the HR Derby please?
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 July 2016 19:16 (eight years ago) link
deGrom snubbed by his own manager
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 July 2016 19:17 (eight years ago) link
wilpons just trying to keep his arbitration down
― mookieproof, Friday, 8 July 2016 20:24 (eight years ago) link
if Johnny Cueto doesn't start the whole thing is a joke!
― Bee OK, Saturday, 9 July 2016 23:42 (eight years ago) link
colon obv shd be in the hr derby
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 10 July 2016 00:49 (eight years ago) link
ha, he shouldn't even be in the game, the whole thing is so stupid
― Bee OK, Sunday, 10 July 2016 01:05 (eight years ago) link
is this your first one?
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 10 July 2016 01:12 (eight years ago) link
must be
― Bee OK, Sunday, 10 July 2016 01:13 (eight years ago) link
just venting, sorry
i know everyone is dropping like flies but there are so good starting pitchers still left in the NL.
― Bee OK, Sunday, 10 July 2016 01:14 (eight years ago) link
i guess i should not be so jaded, i'm happy for the old man.
― Bee OK, Sunday, 10 July 2016 01:19 (eight years ago) link
lol had no idea cueto was in SF now, pvmic
― qualx, Sunday, 10 July 2016 01:56 (eight years ago) link
hahahaha
colon in the game is obviously a plus
― brimstead, Sunday, 10 July 2016 02:02 (eight years ago) link
Colon in the game and Stanton in the HR derby (despite not being an official All-Star) and half of the NL pitchers not pitching in the game (due to injury, starting on Sunday, etc.) and getting replaced by lesser guys to completely dilute the meaning of "All Star" is all fine, because it's supposed to be exhibition game for the fans.
Except of course it's not an exhibition game, because THIS TIME (every time since 2002) IT COUNTS. This is the real problem -- in fact one of the biggest jokes in baseball IMO.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 10 July 2016 08:47 (eight years ago) link
None of that is new, I just felt like venting. I want to like the ASG!
selig's dead and gone that ridiculous stip needs to die too
― qualx, Sunday, 10 July 2016 08:53 (eight years ago) link
Manfred too much of a save-a-Bud
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 10 July 2016 09:02 (eight years ago) link
(in addition to Cespedes and Syndergaard), Chicago Cubs outfielder Dexter Fowler also had to withdraw on Saturday due to a hamstring injury.
They will be replaced by San Diego Padres left-hander Drew Pomeranz, Pittsburgh Pirates outfielder Starling Marté and Cincinnati Reds outfielder Jay Bruce.
Marcell Ozuna and Carlos Gonzalez now will start for the National League in the outfield.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/16927534/new-york-mets-p-noah-syndergaard-yoenis-cespedes-chicago-cubs-dexter-fowler-all-star-game-injuries
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 10 July 2016 13:24 (eight years ago) link
hm, fangraphs shows a significant advantage for LH home runs in petco (103 PF vs 94 for righties)
wonder if i should put money on the 3 LHHs? seager cano cargo. do PFs matter for what is essentially batting practice? why hasn't there been any serious analysis of home run derbies dammit
― qualx, Sunday, 10 July 2016 21:17 (eight years ago) link
btw Zobrist beat Murphy by 88 votes, so my ~20 were literally the most significant i've ever cast in an election.
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 July 2016 02:19 (eight years ago) link
Jose Quintana, at last, replaces Danny Salazar
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 July 2016 11:31 (eight years ago) link
it's Sale v Cueto! god knows what Bee OK hadda do...
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 July 2016 19:14 (eight years ago) link
AL manager Ned Yost said Monday that his batting order has Astros second baseman Jose Altuve leading off, followed by Angels center fielder Mike Trout, Orioles third baseman Manny Machado, Red Sox designated hitter David Ortiz, Red Sox shortstop Xander Bogaerts, Royals first baseman Eric Hosmer, Red Sox right fielder Mookie Betts, Royals catcher Salvador Perez and Red Sox left fielder Jackie Bradley Jr.
NL manager Terry Collins has Cubs second baseman Ben Zobrist leading off, followed by Nationals right fielder Bryce Harper, Cubs third baseman Kris Bryant, the Padres' Wil Myers at designated hitter, Giants catcher Buster Posey, Cubs first baseman Anthony Rizzo, Marlins center fielder Marcell Ozuna, Rockies left fielder Carlos Gonzalez and Cubs shortstop Addison Russell.
This is dumb:
The AL will be the home team for the game at Petco Park because this is the second year of at least four straight in which a National League ballpark will host the All-Stars.
TOUGH SHIT
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 July 2016 19:20 (eight years ago) link
"Let's get ready to TRUMBO!!!" at least a couple swings into Trumbo's at-bat -- amazing restraint from Berman.
― Andy K, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 00:25 (eight years ago) link
you have to be kidding me:
A reporter covering the Cubs asked Toronto third baseman Josh Donaldson, who was drafted by the Cubs and shipped to the A’s a year later, if he felt like the eighth Cubs All-Star.“I was barely with the organization, and they got rid of me quickly,” Donaldson said. “When I got traded, ESPN called me John Donaldson. They didn’t even know my name. I don’t think they’d claim me as part of the organization.
“I was barely with the organization, and they got rid of me quickly,” Donaldson said. “When I got traded, ESPN called me John Donaldson. They didn’t even know my name. I don’t think they’d claim me as part of the organization.
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 01:23 (eight years ago) link
yay Cueto!
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 01:24 (eight years ago) link
what the fuck is up with this clock? there is no clock in baseball.
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 01:43 (eight years ago) link
you are mistaken
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 01:52 (eight years ago) link
I like the clock; its an inherently dopey exhibition regardless but why not make it a bit competitive?
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 02:10 (eight years ago) link
The clock has improved this thing 100%
― pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 02:12 (eight years ago) link
good points
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 02:17 (eight years ago) link
"Down goes Frazier" in three, two...
― Andy K, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 02:17 (eight years ago) link
oh it'll be worse than that I'm sure. that'd be getting off easy bermanism-wise
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 02:20 (eight years ago) link
this is it for Chris Berman right?
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 02:21 (eight years ago) link
There will be no Frazier Chorus of boos tonight.
― Andy K, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 02:23 (eight years ago) link
oh it'll be worse than that I'm sure. that'd be getting off easy bermanism-wise --if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes)
I lied, it wasn't worse
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 02:30 (eight years ago) link
jose fernandez sez he plans to groove pitches to big papi if he's up against him http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/17018587/jose-fernandez-wants-give-serve-home-run-david-ortiz-all-star-game
unlike the jeterman in 2014 tho, ortiz doesn't need anyone throwing him meatballs to hit good pitches as if they are meatballs
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:33 (eight years ago) link
Jose doesn't want WS Game 7 in Miami apparently
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:40 (eight years ago) link
NOBODY WANTS THAT.
― a simba man (Will M.), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:52 (eight years ago) link
i can tot see j0rdan using his connections to sit next to Marlins Man for that
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:53 (eight years ago) link
sorry i missed Wil Myers' brother hitting him w/ a pitch
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:54 (eight years ago) link
Chris Sale is 4th among AL pitchers in fWAR and not even in the top 10 in bWAR. But, wins.
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 21:46 (eight years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnNFuNIUkAAkVRk.jpg
― Andy K, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 00:27 (eight years ago) link
Wow. The NL sucks.
― Andy K, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 00:56 (eight years ago) link
this is all Bee Ok's fault
― qualx, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 01:06 (eight years ago) link
i told u Bryant is not a 3b
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 01:30 (eight years ago) link
also "Garbage Time" is an excellent name for the ASG after the first inning
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 01:31 (eight years ago) link
do Suck & Schmaltz ever mention this is not played remotely like a meaningful game?
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 01:32 (eight years ago) link
the traditional mid sixth inning break for a dirge ballad abt cancer
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:08 (eight years ago) link
o i guess it was after the 5th, forgot the al is the home team
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:12 (eight years ago) link
canadian tenors scandal!
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:14 (eight years ago) link
Baseball, mom war, and apple pie cancer.
― Andy K, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:16 (eight years ago) link
as a person w/ cancer im pretty sure all that shit just enriches Big Pharma, so fuck it
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:19 (eight years ago) link
Baseball, (-mom-) war, and (-apple pie-) cancer. --Andy K
baseball: bae af since 1869 (why not)war and cancer: bae af since B.C.
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:22 (eight years ago) link
damn finally someone has brought together colin cowherd & jason whitlock
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:25 (eight years ago) link
btw what was offending phrase in "O Canada"?
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:34 (eight years ago) link
and did they book the sailor of color for GBA in the third inning?
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:35 (eight years ago) link
i was hoping if the NL loses Murphy would at least make a crucial error
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:43 (eight years ago) link
btw what was offending phrase in "O Canada"? --helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius)
one of those assholes snuck "all lives matter" into the words somehow apparently
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:44 (eight years ago) link
nice job, Stankee Miller
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 03:02 (eight years ago) link
the fairytales continues for the Royals
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 03:56 (eight years ago) link
Collins used neither Met pitcher
best or worst ASG mgr ever?
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 15:32 (eight years ago) link
i'm glad Cueto got that out of his system.
― Bee OK, Thursday, 14 July 2016 00:59 (eight years ago) link