Hindsight is 40/40: A Thread for Really Positive Spin on Really Bad Trades

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Giants general manager Brian Sabean felt the trade for Pierzynski -- along with cash considerations and a Twins player to be named later -- was a definite coup, even though Nathan was outstanding in relief this year, while Bonser and Liriano are considered excellent prospects.

"He's a rare commodity," said Sabean of his new player, who hit .312 last season for the Twins with 11 homers and 74 RBIs. "He's a left-handed-hitting catcher and run producer, an All-Star with youth and talent."

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Duquette said he thought Kazmir could eventually develop into the type of pitcher Zambrano has become, but said he was still a long way from the major leagues. Duquette seemed almost more upset to lose Wigginton, who was hitting .285 but became expendable with the arrival of David Wright at third base.

''You've got to be excited about getting these kinds of arms,'' Mets Manager Art Howe said. ''This gives us a chance to win every night and put together the kind of streak it will take to get back in it.''

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But now Francona has the best of both worlds -- two relief pitchers with overpowering stuff. Add in Hideki Okajima and his 0.87 ERA, the recently revived Mike Timlin and the budding Manny Delcarmen and Francona couldn't help but feel good about his options in Wednesday's game.

"This isn't just for tonight," Francona said. "It's for the whole year. We have to play good baseball. You never forget about that. Any time you feel like you got deeper, especially with pitching, it is exciting."

govern yourself accordingly, Monday, 14 July 2008 18:58 (seventeen years ago)

Hey now -- #3 was viewed as a complete win by most folks. & you call yourself a Sawx fan...

I would love to see spin on the Bagwell swap, tho.

David R., Monday, 14 July 2008 19:14 (seventeen years ago)

Ask and ye shall receive. Boston Globe, September 1 1990:

The Oakland A's get Willie McGee and Harold Baines. The Red Sox get Larry Andersen. Is it like countering a nuclear attack with a squirt gun?

"I don't care about their deal," said Red Sox general manager Lou Gorman. "I tried to get this guy three weeks ago."

Three weeks ago, the Houston Astros were evidently holding out for Babe Ruth for the 37-year-old reliever. So the Red Sox gave them Lou Gehrig. Well, not quite, but third baseman Jeff Bagwell, a University of Hartford product, was considered one of Boston's best prospects. Bagwell, who played all season in Double A New Britain, hit .333 with 4 home runs and 61 RBIs.

"We had depth at third base with Wade Boggs, Tim Naehring and Scott Cooper," said Gorman. "It was one area where we could afford to lose a player in order to get a pitcher who could help us win the pennant. If we win the pennant with Andersen, the deal is worth it."

Andersen, who is eligible for the Sox' 25-man playoff roster, is considered one of the best setup men in the National League. The righthander, a sinker-slider pitcher, is signed through the 1991 season at $ 965,000 per year. His '91 salary kicked in after he made his 45th appearance. There is some question whether Andersen will be granted free agency next year as a result of the Collusion 1987 ruling, which affected him. He appeared in 50 games for Houston, posting a 5-2 record, 6 saves and a 1.95 ERA.

Daryl Irvine was sent down to Pawtucket to make room for Andersen.

"It's a great opportunity going to a contending team," said Andersen. "But I've gotten real comfortable here, so it's hard to leave. This is where I've rejuvenated my career. I'll never forget it."

Andersen, who owns a 32-30 career record and 33 saves with a 3.20 ERA, is said not to relish the closer's role and would prefer to be a setup man. He signed with Cleveland in 1971, three years after Bagwell was born, and joined the Indians' staff in 1975. He also pitched for the Seattle Mariners and Philadelphia Phillies.

Asked if the Red Sox gave up too much for Andersen, Joe Morgan said, "We'll find out in the long run. We've got Boggs, Naehring and Cooper, so we're well stocked. Bagwell is a very aggressive hitter who hits the ball where it's pitched. But he has some work to do at third base."

A few Red Sox players who played in the National League think very highly of Andersen. One of the big aspects of the acquisition is that it fills one of Boston's biggest needs down the stretch - a middle reliever to help Dennis Lamp. He also fits into the "good-guy" category so as not to disrupt team karma.

"He's tough on righthanded hitters," said Tony Pena. "He's got a tough slider. He reminds me of Dana Kiecker."

Mike Marshall has faced Andersen. "He throws those hard sliders, and it's awfully tough for a righthanded hitter to hit against him," said Marshall. "I don't ever remember getting a real hard hit off him."

govern yourself accordingly, Monday, 14 July 2008 19:20 (seventeen years ago)

He reminds me of Dana Kiecker.

David R., Monday, 14 July 2008 19:22 (seventeen years ago)

DAMNING HIM WITH THE FAINTEST OF PRAISE. or thinly veiled contempt. i honestly don't know what pena was going for there.

chicago kevin, Monday, 14 July 2008 19:24 (seventeen years ago)

"He reminds me of Dana Kiecker. But he's no Wes Gardner or Ricky Trilicek."

chicago kevin, Monday, 14 July 2008 19:26 (seventeen years ago)

Tom Bolton Has A Posse

David R., Monday, 14 July 2008 19:27 (seventeen years ago)

Tony Fossas Has A Possas

chicago kevin, Monday, 14 July 2008 19:31 (seventeen years ago)

...while Bonser and Liriano are considered excellent prospects.

to Sabean's credit, this did work out in his favor.

I think the only reason Bonser is still in MLB is because he's out of options.

Liriano had an amazing first half of 2006... supposedly looking great in the minors but being handled with care.

Steve Shasta, Monday, 14 July 2008 19:42 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, except for the fact that AJ was awful his ONE year in SF (at the plate & in the clubhouse!), and Nathan's been one of the best closers in baseball, that trade wasn't nearly a bust.

David R., Monday, 14 July 2008 19:46 (seventeen years ago)

On July 22, the Cubs sent infielder Jose Hernandez and minor league pitcher Matt Bruback to the Pirates along with an undetermined player for Lofton and Ramirez. On Friday, the Cubs announced the Pirates picked Hill from a pool of minor league players.

"When we made the deal, I told everyone it wasn't as one-sided a deal as people thought," Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said Friday. "(Pirates general manager) Dave Littlefield did a good job, knowing our system. He deserved a good player back."

mattbot, Monday, 14 July 2008 19:53 (seventeen years ago)

That's Bobby Hill, btw.
http://assets.espn.go.com/i/page2/photos/040405hill.jpg

mattbot, Monday, 14 July 2008 19:54 (seventeen years ago)

wapo nails it:

"The Orioles made a trade of their own, hardly a blockbuster, getting pitcher Craig Lefferts from the San Diego Padres in exchange for minor league pitcher Erik Schullstrom and a player to be named."

j.q higgins, Monday, 14 July 2008 20:18 (seventeen years ago)

That's Bobby Hill, btw.

No, that's Jeremy Bonderman.

Andy K, Monday, 14 July 2008 20:50 (seventeen years ago)

"We had depth at third base with Wade Boggs, Tim Naehring and Scott Cooper"

omar little, Monday, 14 July 2008 21:53 (seventeen years ago)

^^ to be fair, all three were all-star 3rd basemen.

chicago kevin, Monday, 14 July 2008 22:07 (seventeen years ago)

wait, that didn't sound right. naehiring wasn't an all star.

chicago kevin, Monday, 14 July 2008 22:09 (seventeen years ago)

"Naehri, Naehir, not gonna play here anymore, anyway."

Andy K, Monday, 14 July 2008 22:16 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

35th anniv of Mets trading Seaver. Ensured me and Dad great seats at Shea for the next 6 years.

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 16 June 2012 00:45 (thirteen years ago)

Volquez for Hamilton is an underrated bad trade.

polyphonic, Saturday, 16 June 2012 01:50 (thirteen years ago)


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