Don Larsen
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28407056/don-larsen-pitched-only-perfect-world-series-game-dies-90
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 January 2020 12:09 (five years ago)
dang, i just saw this. here's jaffe's piece: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/imperfect-but-for-one-afternoon-don-larsen-1929-2020/
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!š (Karl Malone), Friday, 3 January 2020 15:51 (five years ago)
ed sprague sr, 74
pretty bad pitcher, apart from a solid 1974 campaign with milwaukee
was the orioles scout who signed mike mussina
― mookieproof, Friday, 10 January 2020 17:04 (five years ago)
Jr. hit a very memorable WS home run.
― clemenza, Friday, 10 January 2020 18:26 (five years ago)
George Nicolau
https://www.latimes.com/obituaries/story/2020-01-10/george-nicolau-mlb-collusion-drugs-dodgers-dead
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 January 2020 16:01 (five years ago)
Royals owner/Walmart boss David Glass
(yeah, meh)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 15:20 (five years ago)
Just spoke with Mets star Jeff McNeil, who played for John Altobelli, one of the victims of the Calabasas helicopter crash, who managed Brewster in the Cape Cod League in 2012.Said McNeil: "He's one of the main reasons Iām still playing professional baseball.ā— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) January 26, 2020
― mookieproof, Monday, 27 January 2020 01:11 (five years ago)
roger kahn, author of 'the boys of summer', 92
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/obituaries/roger-kahn-who-lifted-sportswriting-with-boys-of-summer-dies-at-92.html
― mookieproof, Friday, 7 February 2020 17:12 (five years ago)
RIP Rog, even tho ten was probably a little young for me to read the book
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 8 February 2020 04:45 (five years ago)
I really need to read "The Boys of Summer" again after 30 years.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 10 February 2020 09:12 (five years ago)
japanese legend katsuya nomura, 84
catcher who played 26 seasons, hitting .277/.357/.508 with 657 homers (second to oh). also managed for 24 years
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 03:18 (five years ago)
tony fernandez, 57
― mookieproof, Sunday, 16 February 2020 07:35 (five years ago)
He was so good his first couple of seasons; looked like he was going to be right up there with Ripken and Yount before long. (Probably less impressive analytically, but that was barely around then.) He never stayed at that level, but he had a long, solid career, and his return to the Jays for the '93 WS team was great. So young.
― clemenza, Sunday, 16 February 2020 13:04 (five years ago)
Forgot he was the fourth player in the Carter/Alomar for McGriff/Fernandez trade in 1990. Has there been a bigger-name trade since? I know Alomar hadn't flourished yet, but James had already identified him as a future superstar--I still remember his Alomar entry in The Baseball Book a year or two earlier, where he wrote "GET ROBERTO ALOMAR" whether you were a fantasy player or card collector or whatever. So you had Alomar, one of the 10 best hitters in the game in McGriff, the wildly-overrated-in-retrospect but big-name and big-RBI-guy Carter, and Fernandez, who was still thought of as a possible/probable Hall of Famer. Don't recall a bigger one since, or at least not between two teams--there've been some multi-team transactions along those lines.
― clemenza, Sunday, 16 February 2020 16:52 (five years ago)
Yeah three guys who at their peaks were HOF type talents (one already in, one who will be, and a third in Fernandez who despite maybe never reaching his potential finished with an impressive career WAR due to those early seasons and late career renaissance) and a fourth who was not great but a solid bat in his best years.
― omar little, Sunday, 16 February 2020 18:21 (five years ago)
So young, I didn't know he was sick. I always think of him as the 22 year old phenom and potential best SS in the game from the '85 division winners. Many people probably remember him as the guy whose error might have given away the '97 WS. Each of his stints with the Jays was memorable in some way. He's one of my favourite players ever and I'm really sorry to hear of his passing.
And yes, that 1990 trade was perhaps the last of its kind. It wasn't about big market vs small market teams, or trying to get value for players before they test free agency, or tanking/rebuilding to prepare for the future. It was a straight up challenge trade of four star players. There may never be another one like it again.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 16 February 2020 18:46 (five years ago)
And there was a perfect symmetry to the trade in that the Jays got the best and the least of the four, and the Padres got the middle two guys--things could have gone either way, and if Alomar hadn't developed (which in turn got the Jays over the hump, which brought in Winfield and Molitor, all of which made Carter look better than he was), it could have been a terrible trade for Toronto.
― clemenza, Sunday, 16 February 2020 18:54 (five years ago)
Olerud being able to replace McGriff was a big part of that deal too. iirc he went straight from collage ball to the majors. that aspect was definitely a risk aswell.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 16 February 2020 21:21 (five years ago)
orrin freeman, who had been a scout/farm director/special assistant to the gm for the marlins since their inception in 1991
― mookieproof, Friday, 21 February 2020 21:56 (five years ago)
NY/SF Giants ace Johnny Antonelli
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/2020/02/28/johnny-antonelli-dies-new-york-giants-pitcher-world-series-hero-1954-rochester-ny-businessman/4902150002/
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 February 2020 07:26 (five years ago)
yankees' kelly rodman, one of very few female scouts in the game
not sure of the cause, but she was only ~40
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 19:29 (five years ago)
Jimmy Wynn was posted in the ILX thread, but he should get one here too.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/legendary-astros-outfielder-jimmy-wynn-dies-at-age-78/
I was a full-fledged Reds fan by '74, so I remember the phenomenal start the Dodgers had that year.
end of April: 17-6end of May: 36-14end of June: 52-24
Still, the Reds almost caught them, only finishing 4.0 out (they were within a game-and-a-half on Sept. 14). I thought Wynn had the same kind of start, but not quite: phenomenal May, surrounded by three good but not spectacular months (and a slow August/September). Really good year overall, though (it was a pitcher's year, I think), and he was 5th in MVP voting, finishing well ahead of winner Garvey and runner-up Brock in WAR (and basically tied with Bench, who finished 4th). Weird: spending the bulk of his career in the Astrodome and Chez Ravine, I just assumed he got killed by his home parks, but for his career he was .256/.376/.443 at home, .245/.355/.429 on the road. One of the great nicknames ever, and one of those guys who was a walking machine before anybody cared.
― clemenza, Friday, 27 March 2020 14:04 (five years ago)
RIP Toy Cannon
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 March 2020 22:32 (five years ago)
We mourn the death of Ed Farmer who passed away Wednesday night.Farmer worked as a radio broadcaster for the Chicago White Sox for nearly 30 years, played 11 seasons in the major leagues, including three with his hometown White Sox, and was a strong advocate for organ donation. pic.twitter.com/wx7itjfEYk— Chicago White Sox (@whitesox) April 2, 2020
― mookieproof, Thursday, 2 April 2020 14:27 (five years ago)
al kaline, 85
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2020/04/06/al-kaline-dies-detroit-tigers/505371001
― mookieproof, Monday, 6 April 2020 19:44 (five years ago)
That's a big one. As I just posted on Facebook, though, of all the famous HOF'ers who played most of their careers in the '60s, I have less of a sense of Kaline than any of them.
― clemenza, Monday, 6 April 2020 20:58 (five years ago)
I remember seeing him on TV at the end of his career.
per Ben Lindbergh on EW, Kaline had the most career HR (399) w/out ever hitting 30 in a year.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 14:19 (five years ago)
There is a lot of love coming out in the articles about Al Kaline, that guy seems to have been well liked by seemingly everyone. I knew him from baseball cards as a kid, but that he was supposed to be the real deal as a player good all the way around.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 16:40 (five years ago)
the most career HR (399) w/out ever hitting 30 in a year
I'd say that pinpoints his relative anonymity outside of Detroit better than anything.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 17:45 (five years ago)
(By which I mean next to Mays, Aaron, Clemente, Yaz, etc.)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 17:46 (five years ago)
Yaz is a pretty good comparison in a lot of ways -- Kaline didn't have nearly the same peak, but both spent most of their career operating not at that superstar peak but at a slightly lower tier of stardom in terms of production. Similar to Cal Ripken and Brett, I guess -- a couple other members of the 20+ seasons with one team club. Kaline also didn't have the same level of fame as any of those guys, probably just a matter of him not having a single season with truly eye-popping counting stats.
disappointing that he never played catcher even for just an inning, would have been cool for Al Kaline to be part of a battery.
― omar little, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 18:30 (five years ago)
o_O
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 18:33 (five years ago)
No dad jokes on the obit thread?
I was going to say he was one of the few players of his caliber where it could be argued his best season was his first full one, but his age 20 season (didnāt turn 21 til December of that year) was actually his second full one.
― omar little, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 00:53 (five years ago)
no, it was solid
tbf, he made 18 all-star games, so *someone* recognized he was good
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 01:45 (five years ago)
I quoted the battery line on Facebook!
― clemenza, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 02:22 (five years ago)
Kaline was definitely highly thought of by other players. All-Star voting wasn't handed over to fans until 1970; I assume all those AS appearances were voted on by players?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 02:26 (five years ago)
Brooks Robinson said he was the best he played against
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:18 (five years ago)
gen believed he forsook some power for average and walks
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/remembering-al-kaline-mr-tiger-1934-2020/
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:57 (five years ago)
Al Kalineās family put a āregularā obit in the Sunday @freep. By blending in, itās an example of how one-of-a-kind he really was. pic.twitter.com/CR7ej9aZAT— Matt Friedman (@mattfrieds) April 12, 2020
― Andy K, Sunday, 12 April 2020 16:06 (five years ago)
Glenn Beckert:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/former-chicago-cubs-star-glenn-beckert-dies/
One of those random stats that will stick in my mind forever: he hit .340 one year, when Rod Carew was the only second baseman who did that. (Okay, I checked--.342.)
― clemenza, Monday, 13 April 2020 00:49 (five years ago)
hank steinbrenner, 63, non-covid-related
https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/hank-steinbrenner-yankees-co-owner-dead-at-63/
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 14:59 (five years ago)
jim frey, 88
https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/04/14/former-royals-cubs-manager-jim-frey-dies-at-88
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 18:50 (five years ago)
Within a few months of Tony Fernandez, DĆ”maso GarcĆa.
http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/04/15/long-time-blue-jays-infielder-damaso-garcia-dies/
― clemenza, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 18:30 (five years ago)
RIP I remember being super bummed as a 9 or 10-yr old when he was included in that Chambliss trade
And being down on Rick Cerone
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 21:40 (five years ago)
Steve Dalkowski, a wild left-hander who was said to have been dubbed "the fastest pitcher in baseball history" by Ted Williams, died this week in New Britain, Connecticut. He was 80.Dalkowski, who once struck out 24 batters in a minor league game -- and walked 18 -- never made it to the big leagues.Writer-director Ron Shelton, who spent five years in the Orioles farm system, heard about Dalkowski's exploits and based the character Nuke Laloosh in 'Bull Durham' on the pitcher.
Dalkowski, who once struck out 24 batters in a minor league game -- and walked 18 -- never made it to the big leagues.
Writer-director Ron Shelton, who spent five years in the Orioles farm system, heard about Dalkowski's exploits and based the character Nuke Laloosh in 'Bull Durham' on the pitcher.
― mookieproof, Friday, 24 April 2020 18:31 (five years ago)
The A's are mourning the loss of former Athletic minor leaguer Miguel Marte, who passed away earlier this week due to complications from COVID-19. Marte played in the A's system from 2008-2012. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends.https://t.co/PV7UEuAuvL pic.twitter.com/mVeLdOUciU— Oakland A's (@Athletics) May 1, 2020
― mookieproof, Friday, 1 May 2020 19:41 (five years ago)
journeyman Matt Keough, AL All-Star as a rookie in 1978 & was selected AL Comeback Player of the Year in 1980, both for the A's.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 3 May 2020 23:39 (five years ago)
Tonight my dad and hero Bob Watson has passed away after a long fight with kidney disease.. #Astros #Yankees #RedSox #Braves #Athletics #USABAseball #MLB #1stBlackGM pic.twitter.com/obKe1mwJYc— K Dubb (@TheReal_KDubb) May 15, 2020
― Andy K, Friday, 15 May 2020 12:45 (five years ago)
Understand that I realize why, but Watson was the very definition of what James called "the RBI guy with mystique," something you can't have in the era of analytics.
― clemenza, Friday, 15 May 2020 15:10 (five years ago)
(Don't torture me with what I missed with the '79 WS; it is already one of my life's nagging regrets. I'm tempted to go onto that rules thread I started a couple of weeks ago and add what I'll call the We Are Family Rule, in (dis)honour of me: everyone who ever attended university was at their most pompous and insufferable for those four years.)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 20:00 (two months ago)
I also think Parker--and that shirt--have come to symbolize '70s baseball in the very best sense, like Vida in '71, Oscar Gamble's afro, and Reggie the whole decade. Things where you had to have been there to feel the full nostalgic value that those things carry.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 20:04 (two months ago)
(And Fidrych--can't not mention him.)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 20:05 (two months ago)
*before* the committee selected him i wrote
stats-wise, parker doesn't really belong (although there are, of course HOFers who belong even less). but in his favor i would submit:- subject of two of the best photos of baseball players ever- 'the cobra' is a hall-of-fame nickname- that throw in the all-star game- on why he wore a star of david necklace: 'because i'm a david and i'm a star'- i honestly feel like 'fame' should be part of the equation- a+ surname- it would make me happyā mookieproof, Monday, November 4, 2024 8:05 PM (seven months ago)
- subject of two of the best photos of baseball players ever- 'the cobra' is a hall-of-fame nickname- that throw in the all-star game- on why he wore a star of david necklace: 'because i'm a david and i'm a star'- i honestly feel like 'fame' should be part of the equation- a+ surname- it would make me happy
ā mookieproof, Monday, November 4, 2024 8:05 PM (seven months ago)
i hadn't realized until reading the obits that he was the first player to make $1m/yr, and took some shit for being a black guy injured and not playing as well as he had previously
#5 above is maybe a little iffy. why did it take edgar martinez forever to get into the hall when, despite having a significantly lower WAR, david ortiz got in on his first try? the latter has some counting numbers, but i would argue that it's because he was *famous*, and i'm okay with that! (obviously they should both be in.) it's not fair to the guys who toil in kansas city or wherever, but so it goes. and i will fp myself for using this phrase, but parker was iconic
also his last name is the same is mine and my family always referred to him as cousin dave
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 21:26 (two months ago)
What's the other Parker photo?
― clemenza, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 21:30 (two months ago)
smoking in the dugout
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 21:33 (two months ago)
could've also gone with the goalie mask photos tho
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 21:35 (two months ago)
Don't think I've ever seen the smoking photo--his tribute to Dick Allen, obviously.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 22:10 (two months ago)
I agree with you 100% on the fame question, with the one caveat that that may one day get Steve Garvey elected (though doubtful at this point, he's been bypassed so many times).
― clemenza, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 22:12 (two months ago)
good lord: https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1974.shtml#all_NL_MVP_voting
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 22:48 (two months ago)
Steve Garvey was basically the same player as Michael Young or Garret Anderson. Nice players if you can have them, but donāt kick yourself if you donāt.
― omar little, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 22:55 (two months ago)
when i think of steve garvey i think of curiously large and hairy forearms
but he had absolutely nothing on saskatoon 55s slugger gordie howe:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOxPMu_WYAAed9-.jpg
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 23:08 (two months ago)
(happy canada day)
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 23:09 (two months ago)
I won't lie: as a 13-year-old, I was unhappy with Garvey winning MVP, but only because I was positive it should have gone to Lou Brock (new stolen base record, and an even lower WAR than Garvey).
― clemenza, Wednesday, 2 July 2025 02:04 (two months ago)
Bobby Jenks, 44
― francisF, Saturday, 5 July 2025 21:57 (two months ago)
Haven't thought about him for years, but as soon as I saw the name, remembered this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjyGihTlFp8
So young.
― clemenza, Saturday, 5 July 2025 22:01 (two months ago)
Re: Posnanski above, even tho i grew up like a decade later, what he describes was very much my experience. Loved watching TWIB before games because I saw all sort of stuff Iād never get the chance to. Iād watch the sports segments on the news, but it was always dominated (in order) by the leafs, jays, hockey, argos and golf. Other baseball happenings were sparsely covered and my relationship with national league players was very much limited to the newspaper leaders/boxscores, my baseball cards, all star games, World Series and very occasional glimpses in highlight reels.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 5 July 2025 23:15 (two months ago)
TWIB was crucial. I'm sure that like me, the theme music is hard-wired into your brain.
― clemenza, Saturday, 5 July 2025 23:41 (two months ago)
haha yes
― mookieproof, Sunday, 6 July 2025 00:10 (two months ago)
This is sort of interesting re Parker:
Dave Parker is one of 9 players ever to hit a HR off multiple Hall of Famers in the same game.
Parker (Dennis Eckersley & Lee Smith)Eduardo PĆ©rez (Randy Johnson & Mariano Rivera)B.J. Surhoff (Pedro MartĆnez & Dennis Eckersley)Rickey Henderson (Phil Niekro & Steve Carlton)Billy Williams (Juan Marichal & Gaylord Perry)Ted Williams (Early Wynn & Bob Lemon)Mickey Mantle (Bob Lemon & Bob Feller)Jackie Jensen (Bob Feller & Hal Newhouser)Babe Ruth (Red Faber & Ted Lyons)
He did it while a Red.
― clemenza, Sunday, 6 July 2025 00:54 (two months ago)
When did Niekro and Carlton play together (and how did they get into the same game)?
― clemenza, Sunday, 6 July 2025 00:55 (two months ago)
Okay, Cleveland in '87.
― clemenza, Sunday, 6 July 2025 00:59 (two months ago)
Joe Coleman, Tigers workhorse from the early '70s:
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2025/07/10/joe-coleman-death-tigers-mlb/84530940007/
Won 20 twice with the Tigers. He and Lolich had crazy workloads then: Coleman pitched 280+ innings every season from '71-74. He came to the Tigers along with Eddie Brinkman and Aurelio Rodriguez from Washington in the infamous Denny McLain trade, so I use him a lot on Immaculate Grid.
― clemenza, Thursday, 10 July 2025 15:49 (two months ago)
Meanwhile, Lerrin LaGrow is still very much alive.
― clemenza, Thursday, 10 July 2025 15:50 (two months ago)
Lee Elia:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2025/07/10/lee-elia-dies-phillies-cubs-rant/84542368007/
― clemenza, Friday, 11 July 2025 03:01 (two months ago)
This one will resonate with the Jays fans here: Jim Clancy.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/former-blue-jays-star-pitcher-jim-clancy-dies-at-age-69-team-says/
He was the #2 guys behind Steib in the early '80s. Made the AS team in '82, and was still in the rotation when they won '85 and when they melted down in '87 (was actually a bit surprised--didn't realize he was around that long till I looked up his BRef page). Real '80s kind of pitcher; he was 6'4", and if you look at a pitcher of him, you'd think he was striking out 250+ batters a year. For his career, 5.1 per 9.
― clemenza, Monday, 14 July 2025 20:48 (two months ago)
Pitchers of Matchstick Men.
― clemenza, Monday, 14 July 2025 21:17 (two months ago)
https://i.imgur.com/ulQ4NBm.png
― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Monday, 14 July 2025 21:20 (two months ago)
Also: classic baseball name.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 14 July 2025 23:42 (two months ago)
Looked up Clancy's one ASG in '82. He was the second A.L. pitcher into the game (one scoreless inning); 47 guesses as to who started for the A.L. that year.
Dennis Eckersley
― clemenza, Monday, 14 July 2025 23:51 (two months ago)
Ryne Sandberg
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 29 July 2025 01:30 (one month ago)
man...that was when I was really, really into baseball, the Sandberg years
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 29 July 2025 01:45 (one month ago)
Wow. Caught off guard by this one. Growing up he was one of those mysterious gods from the NL that I rarely got to actually see. Him and Gwynn and Ozzie were these guys I mostly heard the legends about and wanted to pull their card from a pack, see all those glorious stats
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 29 July 2025 02:58 (one month ago)
After Whitaker, he must be the 2B I saw play most often. Lots of Sandberg vs. Whitaker debates with Chicagoland relatives back then.
Makes sense that the two are at the top of each other's similarity scores, AND YET only one is in the Hall of Fame -- but maybe this isn't the time for that discussion.
― Andy K, Tuesday, 29 July 2025 15:14 (one month ago)
A great player I didn't appreciate enough because I was an Alomar guy. I was convinced Alomar was better because of the Wrigley factor, but both Jaffe and BWar have Sandberg slightly ahead. (BWar has them Whitaker, Sandberg, Alomar; Jaffe almost has them consecutive, with Sandberg, (Utley), Whitaker, Alomar.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 29 July 2025 16:30 (one month ago)
I was thinking you could name a certain kind of player a "Sandberg," meaning he started his career ever-so-briefly with one team--Sandberg has 6 AB with the Phillies before being traded--then spent the rest with a second that he was so strongly identified with, the first was essentially forgotten. Trying to think of another example...(thought of Lou Brock, but he actually had three or four seasons with the Cubs).
― clemenza, Tuesday, 29 July 2025 16:49 (one month ago)
Sandberg had a "team leader" aura that Alomar could never touch. Has there been another second baseman like that in the past 30 years? The only one I can think of is Altuve. Maybe Pedroia and Biggio too, but they had teammates who outshone them. That's really it.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 29 July 2025 17:21 (one month ago)
Wasnāt pedroia sort of known as a dick?
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 29 July 2025 17:26 (one month ago)
Very!
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 29 July 2025 17:33 (one month ago)
Has there been another second baseman like that in the past 30 years?
K-Marte, DJLeM, CUtley...
― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 29 July 2025 17:36 (one month ago)
Sandberg had a "team leader" aura that Alomar could never touch.
I guess so...Alomar was the best player on two WS winners. (No need for anyone to remind me of why Alomar's a pariah now.)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 29 July 2025 18:44 (one month ago)
I'm advocating for one of the great villains of the past 35 years here--strictly as a player--so, between the spitting and the sexual harrassment charge, I don't expect any allies here. But I would give the edge to Alomar up to and including 2001, and then he falls off a cliff. (I'd also add a third bit of ugliness, obviously less serious than the harrassment allegation; how he sulked his way out town in 1995.)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 29 July 2025 18:51 (one month ago)
Utley was never the "leader", his teammates won MVP's he was underrated even by his own team.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 29 July 2025 19:43 (one month ago)
Utley:
5 straight years #1 offensive WAR for PHI5 straight years All-Star5 straight years MVP vote getter
seems leader-ly to me
― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 29 July 2025 19:55 (one month ago)
Also Marcus Semien of the Texas Rangers... I remember after they won the WS in 2023, Corey Seager complementing Semien as the backbone of the organization and a de-facto captain/heart & soul of the team.
― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 29 July 2025 20:00 (one month ago)
Semien was definitely a leader on the 2021 Jays--I recall that many of the younger players said as much.
I don't mean to harp on Sandberg: again, great, great player. But I don't know if he would have been seen as a leader in his MVP year, a breakout season when he was 24. Clearly the best player on a division winner, but still pretty young. (You could say the same of Alomar when the Jays went back-to-back; for leadership, they had Winfield and Molitor and Carter.) When Sandberg hits his prime from '89 to '92, the Cubs had Andre Dawson; I have to believe he would have been seen as the de facto team leader, although maybe it was him and Sandberg both.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 29 July 2025 20:56 (one month ago)
Objectively quantifying any of this stuff, of course impossible.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 29 July 2025 20:58 (one month ago)
Nice clip (Shawon Dunston on Sandberg):
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1308328540714622
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 July 2025 16:18 (one month ago)
Davey Johnson
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 6 September 2025 15:09 (two weeks ago)
Great manager: .562 career winning pct., winning record with 5/5 teams (barely with the Dodgers). As a player, he was more of a Brady Anderson than Anderson himself when he hit 43 HR with the '73 Braves--his career high otherwise was 18.
― clemenza, Saturday, 6 September 2025 15:32 (two weeks ago)