Wait Till This Year: 2024 World Series

Mine has cool photos...

Should we start a poll for which poll to keep?

I will defer to No Time's seniority around here--mods can lock this one when you get a minute.

2024 World Series: New York Yankees vs Los Angeles Dodgers

I wasn't going to actually, I would have just let it ride

This thread has a cool title and pictures. We can lock the other thread.

Too late. I already voted multiple times in both, a great Chicago tradition that nobody better take away from me.

those are, in fact, cool photos

Voted Yankees in 7 in both. I made an early prediction in the playoff thread that Cole would win MVP, but I realized that's much harder now for a starting pitcher. I saw that starting pitchers used to dominate, winning about half the time--you won two starts, sometimes even three, you were MVP.

I voted Dodgers in 6 in one poll, and Yankees in 6 in the other. Whatever happens, I picked a winner.

I'm heavily leaning Dodgers though, because a) their relief corps is on a magic carpet ride, belying the fact that their starting pitching is a big question mark in October yet again, b) Betts and Ohtani are too good, Muncy and Kike morph into superstars in the playoffs, c) I will always hate the Yankees more than any other team.

I'm verrrry curious to see what the Soto/Judge/Mike Stanton stack will unleash on Flaherty/Buehler/Knack/Yamamoto/whomever else LAD has who couldn't hold SD/NYM under 6+ ERA.

These are gonna be some high scoring affairs if I were a gambling man prone to taking the over... #freeippei #draftkings

I voted quickly, so I didn't really consciously think it through--probably expecting Cole's two starts to be Yankee wins. I'm hoping it goes seven and that Judge, Stanton, and Ohtani hit 10+ HR between them, and that Soto has an OPS of 1.500.

Where is the option for it getting canceled outright and we forget this World Series ever happened?

The number of future Hall of Famers in this World Series is...?

— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) October 21, 2024

judge, ohtani, kershaw (inactive?), betts, freeman, soto, cole at minimum

For sure: Judge, Ohtani, Betts, Freeman.
Three or four seasons away: Cole.
Well on his way: Soto (can't say more than that, though, at 25).
Back on track: Stanton, but he has to stay healthy enough for 500.

The two managers are barely 50 and have both done a lot already--career winning percentages of .627 for Roberts and .584 for Boone to start. They'll have two WS wins after this year. I bet one of them ends up there.

Really hard to come up with anyone else. ("In this WS"--not counting Kershaw.) So I'd say a good chance at seven, maybe eight.

Boone hasn't won a WS (at least as a manager).

Where is the option for it getting canceled outright and we forget this World Series ever happened?

― octobeard, Tuesday, October 22, 2024 12:59 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

not sure where but i know to get there you have to take the wahmbulance

You would think Yankees fans 27 championships would give them a thick skin about just about anything, but no, they are literally the biggest man-cry-babies on the earth.

(xpost) I know, but if Boone wins one this year, he'll have a .584 career winning pct., two 100-win seasons, and a WS title, and no losing seasons over seven years. That'd be a pretty great start for a guy who's 51 (obviously he'll have to win a couple of WS at some point).

WFAN call-in line: (888) 808-1019

For Yankees fans to call for someone to be fired if they lose.

that line is basically used nowadays to heckle mike francesa about jason giambi

feel like if yankees have one guy who can pitch like yu darvish then it's the yankees to lose. will cole come through?

dodgers bullpen is showing its seams imo. a better hitting lineup than the mets will expose them

curious to see how often freeman will play. i think roberts pulled him after game 5 for his defense on that bum ankle - the mets were pounding balls into the right field corner over/through freeman in game 5

mets are probably a deeper lineup than the yankees but the yanks’ big guns are inevitable. they’ve hit something like .200 with risp so far this postseason so there is still potential to unlock.

for example, gleyber torres has reached base on the game’s first at bat in 8 of 9 games and soto joining him in 7 of 9. grand total of first inning runs so far for the yankees: 4.

saw that taylor trammell played five games for the dodgers and one game for the yankees this year and so is guaranteed a world series ring

oh five games for each team but only one at-bat for the yankees

Rooting Dodgers but worried about their pitching mojo running out. A bunch of 10-9 games will be great for ratings, anyway.

Saturday's G2 is the one game I'll have to miss, so you can bank on that one being your 10-9, walk-off grand-slam-in-the-10th game.

i agree on paper this reads like a slugfest, the dodgers bullpen magic could run out but i don't know if i trust any of the yankees pitchers 100% either, beyond possibly cole. i do think the dodgers hitters after their big three have more potential to contribute in major ways than the yankees hitters beyond their big three.

Trusting Jameson's research:

This is the first time since 1976 that the two MVPs and top two records in the AL and NL will face off in the #WorldSeries pic.twitter.com/ur6UlQHKKP

— Jameson Grugan (@JamoeGrugan) October 21, 2024

a match made in Clemenza heaven ;)

True enough, but I've adopted your rule: don't care who wins, just want great games.

:)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

I mentioned that I'll have to miss all or most of Saturday night's game--Halloween party. I will, however, be dressed up as Charles O. Finley, which, even if 50 people show up, I'm confident will be the night's most baffling costume.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

8 for the Yankees, only 3 for the Dodgers.

Potential HOF'ers:

The World Series that begins Friday night at Dodger Stadium will not break the record for most Hall of Famers on the field -- 13, set in the 1932 battle between the Yankees and Cubs (Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Earle Combs, Bill Dickey, Lefty Gomez, Tony Lazzeri, Herb Pennock, Red Ruffing, Joe Sewell, Kiki Cuyler, Burleigh Grimes, Gabby Hartnett and Billy Herman, not to mention managers Joe McCarthy and Rogers Hornsby, the latter of whom was elected for his playing career).

But could Dodgers-Yankees reach the Divisional Era record of eight, which was set in the 1996 Series between the Yankees and Braves (Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Wade Boggs, Tim Raines, Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Tom Glavine and Chipper Jones, not to mention managers Joe Torre and Bobby Cox)?

13 in one Series! Pretty sure a handful of them were gift VC picks, though.

https://www.mlb.com/news/potential-future-hall-of-famers-in-2024-world-series

That '96 Series is 100% legit; 10 counting managers.

They forgot about Fred McGriff, so that's nine.

Not to mention a few other borderline HOFers (Pettitte, Strawberry, Cone, Andruw Jones) that probably put the 1996 series well over the 1932 series.

Fred, yes--and last I looked, Andruw Jones was right on track (but maybe running out of time).

61.6%, three more years on the ballot--Andruw seems fairly certain.

Notice that G7 will be Friday, Nov. 1, making it the last good thing that ever happens.

Player intros, 1981, G1 (including Fernando, who gets a nice hand in Yankee Stadium):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9_dmVzGDRQ

Finishes with the ceremonial first pitch, which would be pretty much impossible to top, but I think they could maybe match it with Koufax.

Just watched the clip. That is one incredible collection of people, all the way to Charley Lau and Aurelio Rodriguez.

So great, thank you for that

Combining both polls (lots of duplicate votes, for sure):

Yankees in 6 - 6
Yankees in 7 - 5
Yankees in 4 - 4
Dodgers in 6 - 4
Dodgers in 4 - 2
Dodgers in 5 - 1
Yankees in 5 - 0
Dodgers in 7 - 0

Yankees - 15
Dodgers - 7

Old Man Soto turns 26 today.

World Series first pitches:

Game 1: Orel Hershiser and Steve Yeager
Game 2: Andre Ethier and Matt Kemp

— Bill Shaikin (@BillShaikin) October 24, 2024

Geez...Orel's good, and Kemp lost an MVP vote to a PED user, but that's the best they can do? Lot of hallowed names still out there.

(Lighten up, pal, enjoy the games.)

The much talked about Ohtani vs Judge matchup didn’t really pop off

I'm cutting a little more slack for Cole, just because he'd already been rattled by the two previous errors. I didn't know what the hell had happened when it happened (again, watching in a pub with no sound), but I've looked at it again, and it was kind of Bermuda Triangle freak play. Not 100% sure either Cole or Rizzo gets him. Anyway, the Yankees did re-take the lead; they still should have won. For a series that didn't feel close, it was surprisingly close: an extra-inning win, a one-run comeback win, and two wins where (I think) the Yankees had at least the tying run at the plate in the 9th. Runs, 25-24; games, the way they actually measure these things, 4-1.

The dodgers didn’t win that game, the Yankees lost it

I disagree, what a good team does is pounce on your mistakes and make you pay and that's exactly what the Dodgers did.

yep.

hard disagree about "freak play". it's Pitcher 101 to bust your ass to first on any ball like that, beginning at spring training, not to mention being in a do or die WS game.xpost

Cole goes toward the ball at first. By the time he realizes that, he’s not beating Mookie to first.

bad communication, sloppy play, and lazy fundamentals.
that’s the story of the yankees under aaron boone

there are so many managers and gms that would kill to work with the resources the yankees have. they should give one of them a shot one of these days, instead of giving lifetime tenure to a couple of mediocrities

edwin diaz had a similar brain fart failure to cover 1st in the play-in game to end the season

Edwin Diaz didn't cover first on this two out grounder, so the Braves cut it to 6-4 pic.twitter.com/hlwnflOBcu

— Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) September 30, 2024

braves ended up scoring 4 in the inning and taking the lead. but then lindor hit a 2 run homer the next inning! ballgame. i don't think diaz failed to cover first for the rest of the playoffs.

i'd be interested in reading more about the dodgers org or rather successful baseball orgs in general, like the braves, astros. seems like dodgers spend not just on the payroll but also on their support staff as well

Yankees are the cursed squad in the AL east now :/

Rizzo hasn’t hit a home run since June and moves like a sloth. He should shut his mouth

https://i.imgur.com/rTHnuie.jpeg

So happy NY won

poor mike trout

well, not literally

The Yankees' collapse in last night’s 5th game of the World Series was a long time coming. The Yankees have been mismanaged or poorly managed since their last World Series in 2009. Loaded with money, they make the wrong choices in buying athletes from other teams. They’ve…

— Ralph Nader (@RalphNader) October 31, 2024

ralph with a classic “nader bomb”

Ranking near the bottom of people I’d expect to weigh in

I'm glad the series ended in October.

One thing this series accomplished was separating the Dodgers from those '90s Braves teams as the great underachievers of the past 30 years. There's probably some online math already, but for a period of sustained dominance--which you can mark from either 2017 or 2013--with at least two WS wins in the mix, they've got to rank on the shortlist of baseball dynasties. Wish I could find James's model for ranking dynasties.

what is this math of which the council speaks

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-dodgers-embellish-their-playoff-dynasty-with-a-second-championship/

they've got to rank on the shortlist of baseball dynasties

I'm very title-oriented. To me, the Giants' three championships in five years stand above what the Dodgers have done even though they didn't even make the playoffs in the years in between!

There are different ways to look at it. For me, it'd be a 10 year period at least, no losing seasons, divisional/league championships, and a minimum of one WS win. (If you go back in time, probably more than one when you went straight to the WS). That's all just gut-feeling, and I'm not at all saying that's right, or that your way or anyone else's is wrong. James had some kind of point system that went up or down each season.

The Dodgers starting in 2013 (12 seasons):

1,129-708 = .615
Five 100-win seasons
Eleven divisional titles
Four league titles
Two World Series wins

(They had winning seasons in 2011 and 2012, too, but just barely.)

Dynasty is just a feeling maaan

Sorry but nobody is hanging the banner for division victories. Wins are wins. Probably more embarrassing to make the playoffs so much and not be able to finish the job tbh.

I just can't qualify myself enough...until winning this year, I would have agreed with you. Winning two puts them on equal footing with the Big Red Machine, who are always mentioned on the short list of greatest teams ever. Downgrading the Dodgers because in the years they didn't win the WS they only won a division or only won a 100 games--which the Reds didn't many years--just doesn't make sense to me. It's like saying we're going to treat Ernie Banks the same as this other okay shortstop who also played for the same number of years and didn't win a WS. (Pretty sure banners hang for all the Jays divisional titles--not 100% sure but pretty sure.)

https://i.imgur.com/jeehcxV.jpeg

Walker Buehler getting it done in the offseason

xp - I don't think individual and team achievements can be compared that way.

Dodger parade buses currently stuck in gridlock traffic because it's noon on Friday in Los Angeles.

There are a ton of people at this parade damn

Pics!

dodgers probably have slightly higher-wattage talent, especially now, but they feel more like the pujols-era cardinals than any historic dynasty (lots of division wins, 2 championships plus a ws loss). the dodgers obviously have the opportunity to change that in the next few years

https://www.tiktok.com/@mlbonfox/video/7432403545862786335

F a TikTok link

lol it’s Dave Roberts dancing with ice cube tho

Have we discussed Dynasty vs. Dallas yet? On deck.

always surprised when they have these things on weekdays in big cities with traffic problems. added a nice 30 mins to my drive from the west side to my in laws on the east side

Everybody’s feeling happy

Haven't read it yet, but that Fangraphs piece reminded me that the Earl Weaver Orioles of the '70s--surely a dynasty if there ever was one, and always mentioned as one of the greatest sustained runs ever--won only one WS, at a time when you only had to win eight postseason games to win one. They lost in '69, '71, and '79, with the first two of those teams clear favourites--overwhelming favourites in '69. (They also won in '66, with a different manager but with some of their core '70s players in place.)

Parade away.

always surprised when they have these things on weekdays in big cities with traffic problems. added a nice 30 mins to my drive from the west side to my in laws on the east side

The Yankees didn’t win, so there is no parade in Manhattan, fyi.

Mean, but--or so--pretty good:

BREAKING: It’s been announced that Yankee superstar Aaron Judge will be in Times Square this New Years Eve to help drop the ball. pic.twitter.com/JBICWnVHt8

— 🍺 & ⚾️ P (@Talismantradr) November 1, 2024

(Could probably work Gerrit Cole into that too.)

Helping to drop the ball? Apt

ouch

On the one hand, two might not be a dynasty... on the other, be careful what you wish for

On the other other hand, it's really 3 common now. I'll at least settle for 2.5

Omg stop talking about the WS it’s over

lol your team lost

also its fifth inning will go down in infamy

That’s last weeks news. No one gives a f

counterpoint: 3 days later, I still very much enjoy that the Los Angeles Dodgers beat the New York Yankees to win on the World Series on 5 unearned runs.

zzz