― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)
I generally look at the last 2-3 years' performance to cast my votes.
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)
Older performance: 5%
Not being a Yankee: 15%
Homerism: 0% (Piazza's the only Met worthy of going the last few years)
Now that we can vote, what, 50 times online? -- I sometimes cast "Nader votes" for overlooked players who deserve to finish high if the frontrunner is a shoo-in.
I have voted for Yankees, begrudgingly, usually Giambi and Posada.
A-Rod ain't no established 3B yet ... vote Melvin Mora!
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)
moraZR: .684FP: .902
a-rod:ZR: .812FP: .971
a-rod's been a gold glover defensively. mora's dead last amoung qualified candidates in zone rating AND fielding percentage (ie he's been far and away the worst defensive 3B in baseball) and by the all-star break arod will have closed the offensive gap. but i have nothing against mora and i'm certainly not voting against him because he's been "hot".
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)
jeter? the joke is on you, my friend. jeter has been one of the best defensive shortstops in baseball this year.
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)
So we can assume you'll be voting for that KC first baseman? Ken Harvey, Paul Harvey, Harvey Wallbanger?
Re Mora, don't you think being the 2nd-most productive batter in the game (JUST behind Bonds in Equivalent Runs etc) more than makes up for crap defense? If Glaus wasn't hurt or Chavez were doing better you'd have a better argument against Melvin.
Jeter's Range Factor and Zone Rating are indeed uncharacteristically good right now... shouldn't we expect him to regress?
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)
doctor, has mora been more valuable? possibly, but like i said, i'm a homer. here's something to consider (a bit arbitrary admittedly): the diff in eqr is 10 runs. between 2000-2003, the difference between the 3rd best 3B and the fourth worst 3B per 162 games was 39 runs. if the difference between arod and mora is half of half that, you've made up the offensive difference.
on the other hand arod has been horrid with RISP, but we're only talking 41 ABs.
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)
hmm.
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)
this thing about being able to vote 50 times: WHY??? and i think that SS vote total confirms that the red sox have more losers in the fanbase than any other team.
― John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Josh Love (screamapillar), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)
If A-Rod was on the ballot (and the field) at SS where he belongs, I'd vote for him.
Nice factoid: How many players on Opening Day rosters this year had previously been selected to All-Star teams?
(below)
200!
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)
and if he makes it three, i think he's plenty worthy, esp. if we're talking about him over the like of 10-time all-stars.
"Giambi is the dependable choice, yes, but he may be too injury-hampered to be deserving."
we'll see. "As slow as he's started, what about Carlos Delgado for his '03?"
ok, this is what i'm talking about. what's more preposterous, voting for a guy because he's been good for 2-3 months of the 2004 season for the 2004 all-star game, or voting for a guy who's been terrible the first 2-3 months of the 2004 season for the 2004 all-star game because "he was good in 2003"? his 2003 performance was rewarded in 2003, why should it be again the next year?
i thought you were right about thomas but i just clicked to see the ballot and he's on there but not konerko??
― John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)
>his 2003 performance was rewarded in 2003
Wasn't Giambi voted the 1B spot last year, when Delgado had the superior season? So exactly how has Carlos been rewarded?
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 4 June 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― bnw (bnw), Friday, 4 June 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)
(here we go: http://www.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_news.jsp?ymd=20030706&content_id=412192&vkey=allstar2003&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)
― John (jdahlem), Friday, 4 June 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)
Man, how absurd is Matsui winning an OF starting spot last year, especially since he's better this year and likely has no shot?
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 June 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― John (jdahlem), Friday, 4 June 2004 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 June 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― John (jdahlem), Friday, 4 June 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)
>at worst they're nice guys with an old-school, backwards thinking perspective, no harm intended.<
That's way too generous. Don't waste my time with "nice guys" who won't think!!! As someone who hated Cosell in my youth, it pains me to say he was 100% right about the "jockocracy" in sportscasting. Worse, the ESPN clowns are just encouraging people's worst instincts by confirming those 3 categories as the end-all of player value. I'd like to tattoo "RBI is a team-context stat" on all the air staff's foreheads.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)