Of these...
Ryne Sandberg was one of the greatest 2B ever.
Bert Blyleven is somewhat maligned. Check out his postseason record. The guy played for quite a few cruddy teams, which probably knocked his wins down a bunch. Blyleven was also a pain in the ass to sportswriters, which is a reason I think he gets knocked.
Paul Molitor is automatic, but one has to wonder what kind of totals he would have put up if he didn't get hurt every year during the early 80s. Being a DH for a long time definitely lengthened his career.
Rice, Dawson, Garvey, Carter & Parker were some of the best players of their time; none will get into the hall of fame until vets committee. Rice & Dawson didn't get with it in the playoffs. Carter has a MAJOR world series hit and was a great RBI guy, but I don't think he was ever considered a star, mostly because he played most of his career in Cleveland and Toronto. Parker and Garvey were both quite consistent players and made a bunch of Allstar teams and had big playoffs, but they both had some sleazy off the field action and were just plain out not liked by a lot of people.
It will be interesting to see how the vote goes for Eckersley. I don't think he will get in this year and he may end up waiting for awhile. Don't forget he blew leads in world series games both against the Dodgers and Reds. So as much as I like to defend the closer, he is a hard one to use as an example. (Lee Smith is the same thing vs. SD in 84 and one year with Baltimore.) Gossage on the other hand did well in the playoffs, but he pitched FOREVER and in his case that might lose him votes as people forget how good he was.
Jack Morris is a hard one in a way. He won more games than anyone else during the 80s, came up big in a couple of World Series, but his ERA and other stats are not that impressive. It would be more interesting if he would have gotten to 301 wins. (Same could be said of Tommy John were to have won 300.)
Concepcion was perhaps the best shortstop of the 70s. He will probably never get in the hall of fame, but like alot of players of his ERA are going to look lesser because they played when pitchers and ball parks were much harder to put up such out of whack numbers.
If I was voting, I'd vote for Sandberg, Blyleven and Molitor.
― earlnash, Sunday, 30 November 2003 06:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
If you need comparison, look at Brooks Robinsons career to age 34, which is when Santo retired. They are quite similar and Santo hit with more power.
― earlnash, Sunday, 30 November 2003 06:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 5 December 2003 05:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 5 December 2003 05:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
That is a very good question.
Blyleven's win/loss percentage (287-250 .534) is better Nolan Ryan (324-292 .526) similar to Phil Niekro (318-274 .537) or Jim Bunning (224-184 .549), none of which won a world series game and all are Hall Members. Blyleven post season mark is 5-1 winning two rings, one with "We Are Family" Pirates and the Twins. The guy is also #5 in the all time K list (3701) and is widely considered to have one of the best curveballs in the history of the game, that has to be worth something.
― earlnash, Friday, 5 December 2003 13:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 6 December 2003 06:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 6 December 2003 06:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
molitor, sandberg, eckersley, carter (and a few others too to be honest but these first)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 6 December 2003 06:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
Beyond the ones I mentioned, Blyleven's wins & winning percentage are also better than Robin Roberts.
― earlnash, Monday, 8 December 2003 06:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 8 December 2003 20:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Leee Smith (Leee), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 8 January 2004 02:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
The guy was great with both the glove and stick, he didn't have long enough career to pile up the 3000 hits or 500 hr kind of bedrock career stats.
As pointed out above, the odd ending of his career for a year and a half, which was followed with a couple of years of not nearly the same hitting consistency, probably raises some questions.
Sandberg is also a very rare right handed hitter that had a real smooth looking swing.
― earlnash, Thursday, 8 January 2004 23:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 January 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― earlnash, Friday, 16 January 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:39 (twenty years ago) link
Wow, I didn't know they were inducting Morissey.
― boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:44 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:50 (twenty years ago) link
Somebody asked Molitor/Morissey about that yesterday and this was his answer:
We hate it when ours closers become successful.
― boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:52 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:54 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Music/9906/16/lyle.lovett/lovett.jpg
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:55 (twenty years ago) link
The more you ignore me, the closer I get.
― boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:57 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:59 (twenty years ago) link
But I can't keep the Morissey-baseball puns bottled up due to a technicality like that.
― boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:03 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago) link