NL Wild Card Race -- The Home Stretch

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The Cubs have been playing about .500 ball for the past month or so, most of their series against people with playoff aspirations. Outside the Marlin's doubleheader next week, they will continue to face lower foes, so if they are going to make their way, the time is now. The Cubs face Cinci for eight, Pittsburgh for three more and three with the Mets for the rest of the month and close with three against the Braves.

They need to whomp up on the dreg teams.

Of course, the Mets are probably going to have a new manager who will try to light a fire under them, so they won't get the easy pass like SF, Florida and pretty much everyone else has had for the past month. Cinci has been playing a bit better in the past week, but their pitching is rotten to the core. Pittsburgh has a couple of decent young starters, but their bullpen stinks.

It will be interesting.

SF has six with the Padres, six with the Dodgers, and three with the Astros after they leave Milwaukee. They have had a nice push the last couple of weeks playing the Brewers, DBacks, and Rockies, lets see them keep it up against SD, LA and Houston.

Florida has seven with the Philles, six with the Braves, four with the Expos (one tomorrow), and that doubleheader against the Cubs. Philadelphia has been a bit better of late and the Braves continue to play well.

Houston has five more with the Cards, the series with SF, six with the Brewers and then closes with three in Colorado.

San Diego has the six against the Giants, five with LA, and six with the Dbacks (closing in Arizona the last weekend).

What do you think?

SF scares me as I still look at their roster and don't see how it works. Houston is only a game back, so I think their chances of making a run are pretty good, although they seem to have cooled a bit this week.

I can't see the Marlins getting much closer than they are now, but then again I would not have thought they would be this close a month or so ago.

The Padres being a west coast team that I have only seen play agains the Cubs once and not having any fantasy players from their club are a bit of a mystery to me, so perhaps they are the darkhorse in this race as they could take SF out themselves and SF could take out Houston.

SF and Houston fans please comment on how you feel about your team's chances.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 16 September 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

The Fish dropped a double header vs the Expos = I think I have to give up on them as my Wildest Card pick. I think it'll be the Small Bears who make it in, those three games they have in hand over the Giants look big.

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 16 September 2004 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

SD lost Khalil Greene for the rest of the season with a broken finger, that isn't going to help their chances.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 16 September 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Burroughs underwent season-ending surgery today, too. I'm sticking my fork in them.

Top 2 get playoff spots

W L GB
LA 86 63 --
SFO 84 66 2.5
CHC 82 65 3.0
HOU 83* 67 3.5

* Houston leads Milwaukee 1-0 in the 8th and Milwaukee is a terrible team, so I gave the Astros the win.

Remaining games:
LA: 3 at SD, 3 at SFO, 4 vs. COL, 3 vs. SFO
SFO: 3 vs. HOU, 3 vs. LA, 3 at SD, 3 at LA
CHC: 2 at FLA, 3 at PIT, 3 at NYM, 4 vs. CIN, 3 vs. ATL
HOU: 3 at SFO, 3 at MIL, 3 vs. STL, 3 vs. COL

mattbot (mattbot), Monday, 20 September 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

how many double headers does chicago have left?

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 20 September 2004 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)

The one tomorrow is the last of the season barring anymore hurricanes. Prior vs. Pavano in game 1, Clement vs. either Nate Bump or David Weathers in game 2.

mattbot (mattbot), Monday, 20 September 2004 02:05 (twenty-one years ago)

woah, a very important day for the cublets. interesting...

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 20 September 2004 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Top 2 get playoff spots
Unless CHI and HOU finish ahead of SFO and LA, but I guess that's unlikely.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 20 September 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah I was trying to think of a way to get LA incorporated into the wild card race, because they seem to be trying their hardest to compete in it.

Wonder if the pundits will realize that the NL West race is more exciting than the AL East since neither LA or SFO is guaranteed a playoff spot in the way that BOS and NYY most likely are.

mattbot (mattbot), Monday, 20 September 2004 11:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Not to mention that the AL East race is probably over and done with now.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

What about the AL West? I'm still waiting for the Angels to sneak up.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 September 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

the As keep winning and the Angels keep losing, don't hold your breath.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I am trying to get NLDS tix in SF but I am shit out of luck I think.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

woo hoo got both games, bleachers though.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's something really interesting... (*collective groans*)

Based on strength of schedule factors alone, the Cubs are leading the majors and the Giants are 2nd to last.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 20 September 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

are you sure that doesn't just rate who has the stronger schedule? I prefer the RPI ratings :)

bnw (bnw), Monday, 20 September 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

well RPI has no bearing on the NL Wild Card Race and such a disparing Strength of Schedule (yes, strength of schedule measures who has a stronger schedule or is there something you're pointing out other than the obvious?) factor between the two teams in the hunt.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 20 September 2004 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Boo-yah, gygax! It's on like Donkey Kong! Astros vs. Giants. Be there or be square. This one's for all the marbles. It doesn't get any bigger than this. It's do or die. I'm quickly running out of cliches!

GO 'STROS!!!!

boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)

No team in the NL West is even in the top half of the majors in strength of schedule!

Unbalanced schedule is teh sux.

mattbot (mattbot), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, strength of schedule measures who has a stronger schedule or is there something you're pointing out other than the obvious?)

I guess I thought you were somehow saying that given strength of schedule, the small bears had the best relative record in the majors. Whereas I think that chart simply says the cubbies had the hardest schedule and nothing about their record relating to such.

I think I put myself into a coma.

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

The Dodgers or Giants can't help the fact that the D-Backs and Rockies are suxors. The D-Backs alone has to really drop their strength of schedule, as they are the worse team in MLB. It probably hurts their schedule strength more than the Cards help the Cubs and Astros.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

updating mattbot's table upthread as this race keeps getting tighter:

       W    L    GB    PO*
LA 86 64 -- 82.5%
SFO 85 66 1.5 39.5%
CHC 84 66 2.0 64.2%
HOU 83 68 3.5 10.9%

*PO = Baseball Prospectus Playoff Odds

Developments:
Shawn Green is scheduled to announce whether he will play this Fri/Sat at SBC Park against SF due to Yom Kippur. He is one of 3 opposing players who has hit a ball into McCovey Cove.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess it would be easier to atone for his first half on the field rather than in temple. haw haw.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, it was a bigger deal when he sat out four (?) years ago -- he was a productive player then.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

those damn dodgers seem to be imploding right on schedule.

still bevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

They're the Miami Dolphins of baseball.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

       W    L    GB    PO*
LA 86 65 -- 82.5%
SFO 86 66 0.5 39.5%
CHC 85 66 1.0 64.2%
HOU 83 69 3.5 10.9%


*PO = Baseball Prospectus Playoff Odds

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 23 September 2004 06:07 (twenty-one years ago)

[i'll update the PO odds tomorrow if available, i'm pretty sure there will be some dramatic changes]

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 23 September 2004 06:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Dramatic changes indeed (sorry I beat you to it gy!)

       W    L    GB    PO*
LA 86 65 -- 69.6%
SFO 86 66 0.5 50.0%
CHC 85 66 1.0 69.7%
HOU 83 69 3.5 5.7%

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 23 September 2004 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Tonight doesn't look that great for the Dodgers, as they are facing David Wells, who has pitched well of late, against Ishii who has been suxors for the past few weeks.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 23 September 2004 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Shawn Green will sit out both Fri & Sat games against the Giants due to religious beliefs.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 23 September 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't even know who to root for in that series now.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 September 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I like rooting for collapses.
Plus, the Dodgers are the West Coast Baseball Satan.
Root for the Giants.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 23 September 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

As a Cubs fan, though...

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 September 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, my ideal situation is that either team sweeps the other, so that one can clearly assume the division title, and the other can fall behind the Cubbies in the Wild Card race, right?

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 September 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

jaymc, the obvious solution to both our problems is a Giants sweep of Beat LA.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

honestly jaymc? i don't think it really matters. Granted the sample sizes are small:

2004 Cubs vs. Dodgers/Giants

1-2 vs. LA @ Wrigley
1-2 vs. SF @ SBC
1-2 vs. LA @ Dodger Stadium
1-2 vs. SF @ Wrigley
2-4 against both teams

The Cubs have no distinct advantage over either team. I think you'd be better off rooting for the Padres.* But when it comes down to it, they'd better be off facing the Cards in the second round.

Cubs vs. STL

2-2 vs. STL @ Busch
2-1 vs. STL @ Wrigley
2-2 vs. STL @ Wrigley
1-2 vs. STL @ Busch
0-2 vs. STL @ Wrigley
7-9

*Cubs vs. SD

3-0 vs. SD @ Petco
1-2 vs. SD @ Wrigley
4-2

It's interesting to note that although the Cubs have not faced the Braves this year, they have losing records against all of the likely playoff contenders this season.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks, gygax!

I guess at this point I'm mostly interested in the Cubs actually getting into the playoffs, rather than worrying about who they'll face once they're there.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

the Cubs have not faced the Braves this year

? They played them at Atlanta in April, and won two out of three; they'll also be hosting them in Chicago for the final series of the season.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

damn, i didn't look at april... well there you go. so if they make the wildcard, they have a potentially favorable matchup going into the NLDS and if the Cards beat the Dodgers/Giants, they have a decent record against them (.438).

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

wells isn't pitching for SD tonight.

maura (maura), Thursday, 23 September 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

San Diego Padres left-hander David Wells was scratched from his start against the Los Angeles Dodgers on Thursday night because of sinus infection.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 24 September 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

does that mean he got into another drunken brawl?

bnw (bnw), Friday, 24 September 2004 03:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Giants cough up the lead in the 9th, Kent plunked for terrible facial hair.

Still playing, 5-3 Strohs.

mattbot (mattbot), Friday, 24 September 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

That's it -- Cubs will take the wild card after all. Unfuckinreal.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Friday, 24 September 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

"Kent plunked for terrible facial hair."

Come on, mattbot. Didn't you see Hermanson's goatee and sideburns combo?

Berkman!

boldbury (boldbury), Friday, 24 September 2004 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you suggesting jealousy was a motive?!

I was listening over the internet so I didn't get to see it. I'll consider myself lucky.

mattbot (mattbot), Friday, 24 September 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

oucherz, the giants pen blows another game after a dominating schmidt start.

bonds gets thrown at 2x in one inning and "charges" the mound. kent's plunk was the retaliation.

berkman looked a little lost out there in the outfield, could have had a play on bonds' triple but possibly lost the ball on the warning track. then a few innings later when he catches a Bonds' liner, it knocks him straight back on his tookus (sp?). i mean this is 350' away from the plate and he caught like a pitcher snags a vicious liner.

gagne is getting beat around as a type this with a very cushy lead.

shawn green rumored now to be playing friday, only skipping saturday's game.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 24 September 2004 04:47 (twenty-one years ago)

houston walked Bonds 6 times... wait for it... in a row. yes, six straight at bats with only one strike thrown. giants made them pay having snow batting behind bonds.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 24 September 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

shawn green rumored now to be playing friday, only skipping saturday's game.
?
From a Jewish standpoint, this makes no sense. Even espn's notes picked up on this :

Dodgers' slugger Shawn Green will sit out Saturday afternoon's game at San Francisco in observance of Yom Kippur. He'll play Friday night, even though the holiest day on the Jewish calendar starts at sunset Friday.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 24 September 2004 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, what team really wants to win this thing? Appearantly neither the Cubs or the Giants.

Hawkins is a goat. The the Giants literally throw away tonight's game against the Padres.

Why did Mohr even catch that ball? It was fairly deep and would have taken a perfect throw to catch the runner, even if he doesn't stumble over the mound.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 30 September 2004 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)

He has made his share of mistakes this year, this is really not surprising. Houston is in command. LA finally lost to Colorado.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 30 September 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate to admit it, but sometimes sportswriters can be RIGHT. A couple of weeks back, Sportscenter had the beat writers from Houston, Chicago and SF on the show on their teams chances. None of the writers were that psyched about their teams chances and figured they would blow it, the writer from Houston was dead on when he said it would take SF and Chicago coming back for them to have a chance.

I figure SF and Chicago will win tomorrow, while Houston is off till Friday and we go into the weekend in a three way dead heat.

The Cubs will catch a bit of a break against the Braves, as I think Jaret Wright is going to miss a start after getting hit by a line drive in his last game.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 30 September 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Of course, how about the Angels coming to life and the A's hitting the skids. The A's looked like a lock a couple weeks ago.

Angels have a team that could be scary in the playoffs with their hitting and relief pitching. Getting Troy Glaus back has been a bit of a boost.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 30 September 2004 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

That ball was close enough to the line that you gotta catch it, I think. I mean, he can't look down and gauge just where he's at in that situation. Tough break.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Thursday, 30 September 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, Earl, I was all over the Angels at the beginning of the month

2004 Playoffs Thread

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Thursday, 30 September 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

The Astros are the only team that looks like they could take 3 of 5 from a division winner.

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 30 September 2004 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

With Clemens and Oswalt, I'd say that the Astros could be interesting in the playoffs. Oswalt doesn't have a playoff track record, as he would be making his first playoff start.

Key Astro's Career Playoff Batting Avgs:
Bagwell .174
Biggio .130
Berkman .167 (only three games)
Beltran (first playoff appearance)
Kent .277 (5 HR's)

Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Just curious, do SABR-heads see playoff stats as different then regular season? Obviously, the pitching is of a higher caliber. And yet there's no such thing as "clutch," right?

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 30 September 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

there *is* such a thing as clutch. i mean, if you're hitting .700 with risp, you're clutch. sabr-heads just say that it's not predictive.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 30 September 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

>do SABR-heads see playoff stats as different then regular season? Obviously, the pitching is of a higher caliber. And yet there's no such thing as "clutch," right? <

Playoffs are a smaller sample size. (Even for one who's amassed as many Oct. games as Jeetah.) "The pitching is of a higher caliber" cuz the teams are better. Isn't the batting better too? (The drumbeat from the media that pitching is more important in the postseason -- aside from the off days that mean playoff teams can get by with 3 starters and padding their bullpen, I say horseshit.)

>there *is* such a thing as clutch. i mean, if you're hitting .700 with risp, you're clutch.<

For that week / month / summer, you are, sorta. Over a long enough period, you'll return to your career numbers in those situations (which correlate to your "non-clutch" output). Which means you are crediting the player with an *ability* rather than the natural ups and downs of SMALL SAMPLE SIZES.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 September 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

So the psychology of clutch is disregarded? I would say it's over-emphasized and difficult to measure, but that doesn't equal non-existant. (I was actually reading a blog discussing "team chemistry" this way.)

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 30 September 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

But if it was an ability, certain "clutch" players would be the best clutch players, year in and year out. Just like certain power hitters are among the leaders in home runs year in and year out. Ditto power pitchers and strikeouts.

This isn't the case with clutch statistics.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 30 September 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Really? So there's no exception of a batter who has a significantly higher clutch BA then his regular BA? I mean saying playoff AB's will always be too small of a sample size seems a bit of a cop out.

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 30 September 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

>So there's no exception of a batter who has a significantly higher clutch BA then his regular BA?<

I didn't say that... Over a career, the best "clutch" batters will be the best batters OVERALL. (I always laugh when announcers gee-whiz over a .280 guy hitting .350 with the bases loaded, which is around the expected bags-full average for a .280 hitter.)

>So the psychology of clutch is disregarded? I would say it's over-emphasized and difficult to measure<

It is *impossible* to measure; how would you isolate it from other factors? Hence it's disregarded as far as objective analysis goes. "HR" and Krukker can yak about it endlessly, though.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 September 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

At this point I would like to spit some dip, adjust my cup, and say say "that's why we play them there games."

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Prior with 16 Ks through 8, 1-1 tie with the Reds going into the bottom of the 8th. The gotta-see-the-train-wreck impulse prompted me to turn on Santo.

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

It's really ridiculous the Cubs can't give Prior any support right now.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

How Cub-like would it be for Prior to pitch a complete game with 17-18 Ks, and still lose by 1 run?

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Hell, he'll pitch 11 innings and get 21 Ks and still lose. Book it. (110-115 pitches through 8 2/3, btw).

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

113 pitches through 9, 16 Ks. He's due up 4th in the bottom of the ninth, I wonder if Dusty would yank him if he's in a clear sac bunting situation.

Also, Good Mark Prior where have you been?!

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I dare Dusty to go with LaTroy in the 10th!

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

The Cubs have had the bases loaded THREE TIMES in this game and have been unable to capitalize. If they lose this one, they really don't derserve to make the playoffs.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 30 September 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

It wouldn't be so pathetic if it wasn't against a terrible, terrible bullpen like the Reds'.

$5 sez Dunn goes yard in the 12th. DISCLAIMER: This is not a bet.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 30 September 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

No, their losses against NYM (homerun, bot9th, 2 outs, 0-2 count) and yesterday to the Reds (ahead in the bot9th w/2 outs AGAIN) were what made them not deserve to make the playoffs. But I don't care about whether they deserve to or not. I just wanna see them in it.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 30 September 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Go Giants.

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 30 September 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, that was ugly. They don't deserve to make the postseason.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 30 September 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

::sigh::

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 30 September 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Holy shit, why was Nomar bunting with one out?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 September 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

"clutch" isn't impossible to measure, it's just impossible to define. playoff games? hitting with RISP? close and late? those situations, in playoff games? it's hard to reach a definition that satisfies everybody, so you either wind up narrowing and narrowing your definition to a meaningless sample or throwing your hands up completely. i think it's mostly random variation; the best guess i've seen as to why this is comes from james or neyer - that being that ALL major leaguers are clutch hitters. it's really really tough to get where they are and do what they do!

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 30 September 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I was kinda hoping Alou would lay one down. Sure the season would've been over, but the Cubs would've had two runners in scoring position.

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 30 September 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

The small bears are doing a great job of defining anti-clutch!

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 30 September 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

They're the 2003 Cards!

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 30 September 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Gagne out for the season as MRI reveals shoulder tendonitis... questionable if LA makes playoffs.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

We should do a dance.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Friday, 1 October 2004 02:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Well he pitched tonight, admittedly not very well. Very interesting.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 1 October 2004 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)

He should have got the loss.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 1 October 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

They're the 2003 Cards!

ha ha, Cubbie Fans are so cute.

bnw (bnw), Friday, 1 October 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Astros win, now 1/2 game up on SF, who are up 2-1 on the Dodgers in the 6th. Cubs lose again in heartbreaking fashion (there seems to be no otehr way lately) and are about as dead as you can be without being mathematically out of it. If the Giants win tonight, it will make things somewhat interesting in the West.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 2 October 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Tied up heading into Saturday. I've got a feeling we are going to have a one game playoff.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Saturday, 2 October 2004 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)

my Angels are romping.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Saturday, 2 October 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

you mean your september pick angels, show some decency around here please.

gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 2 October 2004 06:49 (twenty-one years ago)

;-)

gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 2 October 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Dodger quotables:

Jose Lima"time", before Friday's 4-2 loss to SF:
"They have to beat us three times in a row in our house? No chance. We'll do it tonight."

Jose Lima"time", after Friday's 4-2 loss to SF:
"No pressure on us. We lost tonight, but we still have two games. We came a long way for this and we're not going to lose it now. The Giants have to beat us every game in this series, and it's not going to happen."

Lima has a 6.00 ERA in 3 starts against SF this year, averaging just 5 innings a start and allowing a .339 batting average to SF.

Shawn Green, after Friday's 4-2 loss:
"We've been thinking about clinching for a while, especially because this team hasn't done it in a while and we've got guys who've never been there before. It was our first goal of the year, and we want to do it tomorrow."

Green is batting .191 with a .296 OBP against SF this year.

When Eric Gagne was told the Giants had won Thursday in San Diego to stave off elimination in the West, he said that was fine because "I want them to see us clinch. The good thing is that they're going to see us clinch against them. It's going to be amazing and a lot of fun, especially for the fans. They'll be able to see us do it against the hated Giants."

Gagne has a 3.24 ERA against SF this year, walking 9 batters (he's walked no more than 2 against any other team this year), and giving up 2 HRs (Bonds and Pedro Feliz).

Today's probables: Brett Tomko vs. Elmer Dessens (his first start as a Dodger because yet another Dodger--Edwin Jackson--has soreness below his shoulder.)

Brett Tomko vs. LA this year: 2-1 w/ 4.56 ERA allowing .231 BA/.285 OBP/.393 SLG. But he's almost a different pitcher for the 2nd half: 7-1 with a 3.27 ERA since the All-Star break.

Beltre has killed Tomko this year (4 HRs in 12 ABs), however Beltre is slumping in the past 4 games (2-15) as the pennant race gets tighter.

Elmer Dessens (2-6, 4.46 ERA) spot-starts today for the Dodgers. As a starter Dessens has a 1-5 record with a 7.68 ERA. Dessens vs. SF this year: 6.75 ERA w/ .360 BA allowed. Dessens made one start against SF this season (when he was with Arizona): 4.0 IP, 6 Hits, 2 ERs (Bonds singled to center and then Alfonzo homered).

Elmer does not match up well against the Giants:
AJ Pierzynski is 8 for 8 (1.000) against him this year, 7 singles and a double.
Barry Bonds is 4 for 12 (.333) with 2 HRs and 7 walks.
Edgardo Alfonzo is 8 for 23 (.343) with 2 HRs and 4 walks.
All in all, 6 of the 8 SF position players are batting over .333 against him.

Jim Tracy put a pitch limit of 75 on Dessens, but with his bullpen overused or crippled this looks to be a high scoring game.

The line is -145 SF over LA.

Tomorrow's preview:

Jason Schmidt vs. either Odalis Perez, Kaz Ishii or TBA.

gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 2 October 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Gygax, you seem like you're quite excited about these next 2 games. ;)

p.s. Cubs bullpen comes through again today, in helping the other team.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 2 October 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

haha -- well gygax!, I'll have you know I made that prediction in EARLY september.

:)

(actually though the prediction is for the whole enchilada, so we'll just have to wait and see)

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Saturday, 2 October 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a strange feeling that the Giants and 'Stros will end up playing on Monday.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 2 October 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

...or not. Felipe Alou uses about 12 pitchers who combine for 7 runs in the 9th, and the Dodgers are your NL West champeens.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 2 October 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

fucking finally. 53 come from behind victories stress me out. but im glad the dodgers clinched the division with a bit of penache. hopefully being in the playoffs will generate some money for the owner so he can finally afford to pay his players rather than trade them.

still bevens (bscrubbins), Sunday, 3 October 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

in typical giants fashion, rather than win the game, they prefer to give the game way.

hermanson did the noble thing by getting the ice-cold adrian beltre for an infield groundout (hitless since wednesday i believe) to end the 8th. But while 2 outs away from putting the Dodgers away: two straight bloops singles and then walking hee seop choi (.227 BA) in 4 straight pitches with the bases loaded, then the "defensive replacement" SS cody ransom booting a routine grounder hit right to him which allows the Dodgers to tie the game is pretty much the Giants' fate. If only they could have got Felix Rodriguez back to somehow to serve up a 85 mph BP fastball right down the middle instead of Wayne Franklin, that would have been delicious.

Keeping with recent trends expect a whole new cast of characters for the 2005 SF Giants.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 4 October 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)


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