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sheffield for cameron and CAIRO rumored. cameron, while a great fielder, is 32 and has a .632 OPS in june, and sheff's one of my favorite yankees. despite our gaping hole in center i can't help but feel a deal like this would hurt as much as or more than it would help, and having to PAY the mets to make this deal is completely ludicrous if a good prospect or ML pitcher isn't included in the package. sheffield isn't overpaid, and the yankees are getting less in value back.

bottom line america, i refuse to believe the yankees can't acquire a CF without a wash/net loss effect on the ml club. kotsay may be unavailable and sheffield may be cameron's cross-town fee, but this is a woefully desperate move on the yankees part, esp while they're still only 5.5 games out. i'd rather they sit this one out, and when they do make a move, keep the ml nucleus intact.

― John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

see, i heard yanks woul dbe picking up cameron, cairo AND diaz, which makes the deal a little more palatable in my mind if i 'm a yanks fan (which, i clearly, am not).

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

The Yankees are trying to acquire a defense. Giving up Sheffield seems a steep price to pay, but they don't have a lot of options.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Why did they give up Cairo again?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

after what happened to williams, i don't trust cameron for the long haul. so if they're acquiring him w/ the idea of winning more games this year, giving up as many runs on one side of the ball as you'll gain on the other isn't the way to do it.

diaz isn't much of a sweetener for me.

and i have no clue. they probably had at least half a dozen options at second; they apparently chose to ignore all of them.

― John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

As a Mets fan (who wants to hang onto Cameron), I don't understand why the Yanks would do it. Missing Sheffield's bat hurts more than having a top defensive CF, even if Cameron continues hitting. Also, what was the last *major* NYY-NYM trade? Too risky for the loser.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha why can't they both be winners? (jk)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha. they should just merge teams to form the collective New York WE WILL CRUSH YOUs.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 30 June 2005 04:32 (twenty years ago)

wow...talk is that dunn's on the block. what would you, armchair GMs, offer?

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 30 June 2005 11:23 (twenty years ago)

I'd mortgage the farm, give up my firstborn, and put Dunn in the cleanup spot until his arms fell off.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 30 June 2005 11:56 (twenty years ago)

The fact that dipsticks like Sean Casey & Joe Randa get more ABs than a guy w/ 20 HRs is dispicable. NOTE TO REDS - your lineup should be something like this:

Freel
Lopez
Griffey
Dunn
Randa
Pena
Casey
Catcher Of Choice
Eric Milton Pitching To Eric Milton

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 30 June 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

It's the last day of All-Star voting -- let's squeeze that punk Sheffield out for the recurrence of Professional Attitude that saw him, at 19, intentionally make throwing errors to force his exile from Milwaukee.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/story/323834p-276814c.html

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 June 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

wonder who the red sox will go after. some shit bum.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Thursday, 30 June 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

today yankees linked to burnett & kotsay via encarnacion, and a bizarre posada for r. hernandez + nady/roberts rumor. trading for kotsay + burnett would be fantastic; rationally, i doubt the yankees have more than one prospect worth holding onto in the name of holding that up.

― John (jdahlem), Thursday, 30 June 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

There's absolutely no way Sheffield goes to the Marlins for Burnett and Encarnacion, unless the Marlins know something about Burnett that the rest of the league doesn't. Given Sheffield's statements, something about the exchange of value in that trade reminds me of when I'd trade Tree Rollins and Litterial Green for Scottie Pippen and "Bulls #23" when playing NBA Live 1994. Can we get some realistic Yankee trade rumors, please?

― Daniel Cohen (dayan), Friday, 1 July 2005 04:54 (twenty years ago)

Daniel, thank you for reminding me that Tree Rollins once roamed this earth.

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/atlanta/Treeatl_175x250.jpg

― Leeeeee (Leee), Friday, 1 July 2005 05:06 (twenty years ago)

i never said sheffied for those dudes! (that WAS the rumor, but i left it out since i figured burnett + encarnacion were legit, and sheffield was mediot speculation)

― John (jdahlem), Friday, 1 July 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

the tree looks like he's wearing a wrasslin uni in that pic!

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 1 July 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

Naw, John, I know you didn't float it, but so many people, from NYYfans types to Newsday, seem to be taking that one at face value, as if Sheffield alone's enough to get both those guys.

I'm sure they could put together a package for Burnett/Encarnacion, but I don't even think Encarnacion alone would get Kotsay from the A's, since Oakland wanted Cano/Duncan for him before they went on that winning streak.

― Daniel Cohen (dayan), Friday, 1 July 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

Rumors are flying in Oak-town:

Chad Bradford, due to come off the DL today or tomorrow, to Boston for Jay Payton. To be announced during/after the All-Star break.

Scenario one: bad news for Kotsay who made a reasonable extension request, may be 1:2-3 trade bait ala Hudson/Mulder.

Scenario two: bad news for Byrnes who the Yankees have warmed up to.

Scenario three: A's field 5 true outfielders for the first time in how many years?

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

yeah, gate's saying done deal:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/07/08/SPGSVDJVP31.DTL

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

nope, still uncomfirmed.

BTW what is "gate"? surely you mean the http://www.sfgate.com/templates/brands/chronicle/images/chronicle_logo.gif

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

WTF do you trade for payton??!!!!!!!!!!!!???!?!??!?!?

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

Defense dude!

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

Payton's a dorkwit.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

The Red Sox are attempting to finalize details of an agreement with Japan's Yomiuri Giants that would allow Kapler to return to Boston, the Boston Globe reports.

Yomiuri placed Kapler, who is batting just .153, on its inactive list more than a month ago.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 8 July 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

Bradford for Payton (and cash) went through today.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-athletics-redsoxtrade&prov=ap&type=lgns

Byrnes to the Yankees?

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

Why are the A's interested in Payton again?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

Not sure if you guys have been following the A's moves the past year or two...

WTF do you trade for payton??!!!!!!!!!!!!???!?!??!?!?
-- Jams Murphy (SCOTT_BORA...), July 8th, 2005 11:31 AM. (ystrickler)

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Defense dude!
-- gygax! (gygax0...), July 8th, 2005 11:38 AM. (gygax!)

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but he's a fourth outfielder on a team that already has a couple of fourth outfielders. Someone has to get traded (either Payton or Byrnes I would imagine.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

Dude scroll up! July 8th around 10am.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

Who needs 5 "true" outfielders (esp. when none of them have much in the way of power--other than Swisher, I guess)?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

Worst Beane trade ever.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

It seems pretty weird on the surface, but I have to assume that there is some logic behind it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

It's not a bad trade righy now though. Who knows if Bradford is even healthy (or if he can be healthy for very much longer--that motion has to put such an insane amount of strain on his back, I can't believe he can keep it up forever)? And Payton is a good 4th outfielder on the right team (aka not the A's--which is why I figure he or perhaps Byrnes is about to get unloaded).

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)

No trade where Jay Payton is a starting outfielder is a good trade. If Jay Payton is a 4th/5th outfielder, maybe, but why would he want to be a backup outfielder for the A's instead of the Sox.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

Here is where I shatter your minds, dudes:

Byrnes is a goner.

Payton starts in LF.

Take a deep breath.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

Well I mean that is the only way the trade makes sense, but I wouldn't do it.

Payton played like crap for my Padres and was pretty terrible his entire career except for his Rockies year (wherein he hit well at home AND on the road, but whatever).

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

According to Ken Rosenthal.

"The Rockies are also discussing a trade with the Oakland A's that would send outfielder Eric Byrnes to Colorado for starting pitcher Joe Kennedy and relief pitcher Jay Witasick."

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

I'd take Byrnes for my fantasy team after that trade.

― Gear! :x (Gear!), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)

And I'd take Witasick!

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 14 July 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

That'd be an awesome trade for the A's - Witasick has been LIGHTS OUT this year (both @ Coors and away!), and Joe Kennedy is a great guy to have as a 3rd-4th starter, let alone your #5. Flipping Bradford and Byrnes for Payton, Kennedy & Witasick is NICE!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 14 July 2005 05:01 (twenty years ago)

btw...stanton to the nats, as well. some of his performances have been abysmal, but .176 lefties baa is nothing to sniff at!

sheesh, o's could've used some of that sweet lovin...not to mention that they had witasick in camp and cut him.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 14 July 2005 11:42 (twenty years ago)

oh, and zach day + jj davis for preston wilson is now a done deal, too.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 14 July 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

Where does AJ Burnett end up? He is a free agent at the end of the season and it looks like the Marlins are going to deal him off. Burnett looks like the kind of starter the O's and Yanks should be going after to trade and try to sign to a deal.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 14 July 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

supposedly the yanks have acquired chacon from the rockies for an unnamed minor leaguer. whoop-tee-doo.

― John (jdahlem), Thursday, 14 July 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

hahaha apparently it's shelley duncan, a 25 yr old 1B currently in AA who's hitting for lots of power and not doing a whole lot else. this is funny cuz no one's sure if it's shelley or eric (yanks #2 prospect) duncan and there is much wringing of hands. since the rockies are on record as saying the trade is for a minor-leaguer who 'could help next season' (eric is only 20) and chacon is 95% worthless, shelley is exactly what i'd expect in this deal.

― John (jdahlem), Thursday, 14 July 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

reports have jays in the LEAD in the burnett sweepstakes, with chacin going the other way. a burnett contract extension would be conditional to the deal.

i think it's a dumb move.

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 14 July 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

reports in toronto or miami? is toronto the joint w/ his old pitching coach? apparently his wife is from b'more and is pushing him in that direction.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 14 July 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Burnett, a free agent at season's end, is highly coveted by several teams, including the San Diego Padres, Baltimore Orioles and Chicago White Sox, but it appears the Jays have the edge, a source told The Sun-Sentinel.
"If [Toronto] could sign Burnett, the deal would get done now," the source said.
Should the Jays get a deal done, Burnett would be reunited with Toronto pitching coach and close friend Brad Arnsberg, who coached the Marlins' pitching staff in 2002-03.
A key to getting a trade done would be Burnett agreeing to a contract extension with the Blue Jays. That may not be as big of a stumbling block as in years past.
Toronto ownership has given general manager J.P. Ricciardi the go-ahead to increase the club's payroll from $50 million US to an average of $80 million over the next two seasons.

According to the Sun-Sentinel, Ricciardi has been in touch with Marlins GM Larry Beinfest and told him to check back with him before dealing Burnett elsewhere.

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 14 July 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

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Has there ever been a team that advanced to the playoffs with a losing record?

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 25 July 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

And Nevin just nixed the Ponson trade. Blech.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

Gygax -- no, but it might have happened in the AL West in 1994, had the season been completed. I think the Rangers were five games under .500 when play was stopped.

The 1973 Mets won their division with a 83-79 record, went to the WS, and lasted seven games with the A's.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

i'm a bit surprised, daniel - based on his numbers i think papelbon is the most overrated player in the sox system. i don't really see why he should be mentioned in the same breath as guys like lester and sanchez when the only advantage he has over them is that he's "closer to the majors", ie over 3 years older (but pitching at the same level). from what i've read at BA, sanchez is the real deal.

― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

Will Carroll sez Rangers are asking for Lastings Milledge and Yusmeiro Petit from the Mets (NOOOOOOOOOOOOO), and would like Cameron too. The Twins asking about Soriano as well (Bret Boone era over).

Florida not trading Burnett ...for now.

Red Sox talking to Twins on Mueller and Millar for Romero and Mays.

"Jeff Weaver would demand an extension if he's traded, but that might not dissuade the Orioles."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha ouch.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

Red Sox talking to Twins on Mueller and Millar for Romero and Mays.

DO IT
PULL THE TRIGGER ON THIS
PLEASE
I BEG OF YOU

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

Oh wait, that'd leave Mulholland as our only lefty middle reliever.

IGNORE PREVIOUS POST

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

mueller blows ass outside of fenway; millar blows ass 85% of the time everywhere.

― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

"blows ass" would be a pretty good improvement over our current hitting sitchiation.

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

i dunno:

millar OPS: .744
morneau: .770

mueller's road OPS in '04 & '05 (roughly): .670 (yeah he's better than that)
cuddyer's '05 & career OPS: .729, .753

cuddyer and morneau of course are both much younger.

― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

Take away Morneau's fluky March-April and you got French for "Mendoza". Cuddyer's fielding percentage at 3rd this year is .928 (and I know I bitched about hitting but still).

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

Also, BB/K/road OPS:

Mueller -- 43/43/.711
Cuddyer -- 28/52/.546?!

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

(TS: Twins' infield vs. Yankees' rotation -- whose McGyver-esque patchwork contraption hole-patching is more cringeworthy? Would you rather have Leiter or Boone?)

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

(And yes I championed Boone elsethread after the Tlosses picked him up but it was strictly on 'he's gotta be an improvement on Rivas' terms)

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

BOSTON (AP) -- Manny Ramirez recently asked the Boston Red Sox to trade him but that's hard to do, considering the $57 million due him over the remaining three years of his contract, team president Larry Lucchino said Thursday.
Lucchino also said he didn't know the left fielder's motivation for refusing manager Terry Francona's request to play Wednesday afternoon's game at Tampa Bay after another outfielder, Trot Nixon, was sidelined with a strained a side muscle on Tuesday night. Before the injury, Francona told Ramirez he could have the day off.
"It's hard to know if the events of the last couple of days are the result of sort of psychological and physical needs for a sustained period of rest or it's some calculation or some move to encourage us to trade him," Lucchino told WEEI radio on his regularly scheduled segment.
Lucchino and Ramirez's agent, Scott Parker, did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment. Team owner John Henry and general manager Theo Epstein did not respond to e-mails, and the Red Sox clubhouse was locked on their day off Thursday.
Ramirez finished the road trip Wednesday with 28 homers, a .275 batting average and a major league-leading 92 RBIs. The Red Sox led the AL East by two games over the second-place New York Yankees. Boston begins a three-game home series against Minnesota on Friday with Wade Miller pitching against the Twins' Carlos Silva.
On Tuesday, Sports Illustrated reported on its Web site that Ramirez, for at least the third time in four seasons, had asked to be traded. The report said he told club officials he was unhappy in Boston, especially with an off-field lack of privacy.
With the trade deadline looming at 4 p.m. Sunday, the Red Sox will explore trading him but that would be difficult, Lucchino said.
"Because of the size of his contract, obviously, it's hard," he said. "There aren't a lot of clubs that are going to be interested, but it depends how little you're willing to take in return with respect to trades. I'm not talking about Manny specifically, although it certainly applies to him."
A club might want to make a deal if it asks the Red Sox to pay 95 percent of Ramirez's salary, "but that's not a particularly intelligent thing for us to do," Lucchino said.
He also said this is the fourth straight season in which Ramirez has requested a trade "and our general reponse was, 'it's that time of year' and we'll explore it as we explore other trades."
The team's needs changed in the past few days, particularly in the outfield where Nixon went on the 15-day disabled list on Wednesday after straining his left oblique muscle swinging at a pitch in the third inning Tuesday night.
With Ramirez not playing Wednesday, Francona used first baseman Kevin Millar in left field, rookie Adam Stern in right field and John Olerud at first base and in Ramirez's cleanup spot.
Boston also needs pitching help, although Matt Clement may not miss much time, if any, after being hit behind his right ear with Carl Crawford's line drive Tuesday night. Two CT scans at a hospital near Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg were negative, and Clement returned to Boston with the team after Wednesday's game.
"As of right now, it's not a fear. I'm not dreading doing it again," Clement said, Boston's winningest pitcher at 10-3. "But I guess you'll never know until you're out there."
With days off Thursday and next Monday, he could skip a turn and not affect the rest of the rotation.
Despite leading the division, Red Sox officials would like to improve their postseason chances with a trade. Last year, Epstein sent shortstop Nomar Garciaparra to the Chicago Cubs at the trading deadline.
"It is the time of year when you consider all manner of trades," Lucchino said. "Theo is certainly willing to be bold and make moves that other GMs might shy away from, so this is the time for us to think about trades and, certainly, Manny's name will come up from time to time, I'm sure, in the next 72 hours."

― John (jdahlem), Thursday, 28 July 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

Will Carroll:

Friday, July 29, 12:40 a.m. ET: The Alfonso Soriano rumors took a new turn as Bruce Levine of ESPN 1000 in Chicago says that a deal bringing Soriano to the Cubs is close. Levine also said that the Cubs would move Soriano to left field. Sources on both sides of this deal deny any discussions.

YESSS, do it CUBS! This could mean they'll keep Dusty, the darling of overrated walkless veterans.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 July 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

left?? don't they have CF problems?

― John (jdahlem), Friday, 29 July 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

a 29 year old veteran!

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

C'mon 'gax, you KNOW a player's prime is usually 25-29. Esp a guy who's gonna flame out by 32 like Soriano.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

but he possesses the magik power/speed combo!!

― John (jdahlem), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

Like Juan fuckin' Samuel!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

If only he had the magical power of transporting himself to first base from the batter's box.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

the thought of trading manny to texas for mark texeira has me in a masturbatory delirium.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

Who's reporting that?

Carroll has Bosox making a push for Wagner.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

Okay, only an absolute dipshit would trade a young cheap dude like Teixeira for a 20 mil a year nutcase. And since Tom Hicks is, indeed, as thorough and true a dipshit as ever we'll see, I wouldn't be surprised to see this deal go through.

― Garrett Martin (Garrett Martin), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

iwd HATE to see wagner go to the sox. and i'm sure if they get him it'll be at a ridiculously low price. hopefully the yanks'll intercept if so, but i doubt it, esp. since the rumors i've seen have arroyo going.

― John (jdahlem), Friday, 29 July 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

teixiera strikes me as more than a touch overrated thx to arlington. i dunno where that rumor came from (and sosh and bpro are down) but if it's legit i imagine the sox are paying a good chunk of manny's salary.

― John (jdahlem), Friday, 29 July 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

Oh shit - BP's hosting a Billy Beane chat right now! No wonder their site's running like crap!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 29 July 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

Dave, ya gotta check the A's thread too! (and should I get the bonus disc for "Body of Song")

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Oh shiiiiit... from Will Carroll:

Friend of BP Bruce Miles has a couple interesting notes in his latest column at the Arlington Daily Herald. He says the Cubs aren't talking with the Angels about Corey Patterson and that the Cubs' interest in the Soriano deal might not be focused on Soriano at all. The Rangers and Mets could get the Cubs involved another way, moving Cliff Floyd to Chicago in return for a couple of their pitching prospects (Sergio Mitre? Todd Wellemeyer?) moving to Texas. My best New York source doesn't like this deal--"It leaves a hole in the outfield for the Mets"--so we'll keep listening.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

All this talk of Manny is further proof that there's nothing of interest going on at the deadline this year and it will be more waiver wire stuff come september...

― The Original Jimmy Mod (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

The only reason Hicks would trade Teixeira is an unwillingness to pay the Boras premium (in two years) - why would he trade for Manny's $20mln now unless Boston picked up most of the tab? Teixeira's arbitration numbers won't be half of that.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

CONFESSION: I haven't actually heard the _Body of Song_ bonus disc (I just saw the track listing), but the last time BM did the b-side thing (for his S/T Rykodisc album, IIRC), I actually liked those songs more than some of the stuff on the proper album. FWIW, I'm probably gonna pony up for it (via YepRoc.com, probably).

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

Could someone please tell Kevin Towers that he doesn't have to trade Nevin for a shitty pitcher? Ponson was bad enough, but Chan Ho Park? Seriously? I think maybe Hideo Nomo and Jose Lima are available, why not try for them. What about Kirk Reuter?

Sounds like Ramirez / Baez (Mets), Huff / Cameron (Sox), prospectsorama (DRays) is pretty close to a done deal. I personally wouldn't want to give up Shoppach and Sanchez to downgrade at two positions, but I guess you do what you have to do to get out of Ramirez's contract.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 30 July 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

I can't believe the Sox are really doing that.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 30 July 2005 00:12 (twenty years ago)

I mean Ramirez might be crazy as a loon, but he's still a loon whose the most threatening right-handed hitter in the league other than Pujols and Rodriguez. That's not gonna be replaced by Mike Cameron and Aubrey Huff.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 30 July 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

Could someone please tell Kevin Towers that he doesn't have to trade Nevin for a shitty pitcher?

Someone should also John Hart that the Rangers probably don't need another bat.

Didn't we all think this guy was a genius when he was with Cleveland?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 30 July 2005 00:31 (twenty years ago)

And apparently that (or apparently any) Manny deal is now pretty much dead (big shock).

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 30 July 2005 02:16 (twenty years ago)

John Hart (or his staff) was fantastic when it game to drafting and developing players. And he turned out to look pretty damn good when he signed guys like Thome & Manny to long-term prior to or during their arbitration years. But then he's also the guy that traded Brian Giles for Ricardo Rincon.

And GOD PLEASE let that Manny deal die.

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 30 July 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)

That Manny deal was bad fucking news. Listening to Ted Sarandis defend it after tonight's game was one of the most depressing things I've ever heard on sports talk radio.

Timid caller: "But, uh, isn't giving up Manny, Anibal Sanchez, and Kelly Shoppach kind of a lot for a second-rate closer and a guy with a .760 OPS?"
Sarandis: "MANNY IS OWED 64.2 MILLION DOLLARS. MANNY DOESN'T WANT TO PLAY HERE."
Timid caller: "But, uh, doesn't Manny do this every year?"
Sarandis: "MANNY IS OWED 64.2 MILLION DOLLARS. MANNY DOESN'T WANT TO PLAY HERE."

If there was any doubt that the media had totally turned on him - this after a few morons booing during his at-bats tonight was somehow played like he'd become Sheffield incarnate or some such nonsense. Move along.

― Daniel Cohen (dayan), Saturday, 30 July 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

That said, looks like a Sox deal to the Rockies is near completion:

Sox get Larry Bigbie
Rockies get Kelly Shoppach and Adam Stern

There has to be someone else coming over from Colorado (there has to, right?), but no word on who yet. Possibly Shealy.

― Daniel Cohen (dayan), Saturday, 30 July 2005 04:53 (twenty years ago)

Well, there was an anticlimax.

Perhaps Mazzone will turn Hulk Farnsworth into the next Goose Gossage.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 August 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

worst...deadline...ever!

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Monday, 1 August 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

Actually, I'm partial to the 1990 deadline as WDE, when the Sox traded Jeff Bagwell for a whoopie cushion. But I digress.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 1 August 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

A guy I know who played with Kyle Farnsworth in high school. Apparently (and not surprisingly) Kyle's a massive prick. My friend says he once saw Farnsworth throw his girlfriend through a wall. Like he threw her so hard that the wall just gave in.

― Garrett Martin (Garrett Martin), Monday, 1 August 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

He's a people thrower.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 August 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

I can't believe that there are high school athletes who abuse women. That's so out of character.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 1 August 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

pfffffff......

― Land Ho (dymaxia), Monday, 1 August 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

Copied from CSTB copied from BP:

The inability of some of the worst teams in baseball to get into a market that favored sellers and and improve their organizations for 2006 in beyond is probably the biggest story other than the lack of moves. The Devil Rays and Chuck LaMar, in particular, should absolutely be ashamed of their performance. Keeping Aubrey Huff and Danys Baez and Julio Lugo does nothing for their outlook in the short or long terms, and they squandered an opportunity. Chuck LaMar will likely say they couldn’t get enough–and as thoroughly as these things get covered, it is impossible to know exactly what names are being discussed in each negotiation–but at some point, you have to get something. Those three players’ entire value to the team was in what they could bring to the 2007-09 editions of the Devil Rays, the ones with B.J. Upton and Delmon Young leading the way. August isn’t going to save them; all three players are positive contributors with reasonable contracts who have virtually no chance to clear waivers.
It’s time for the Rays as an organization to acknowledge LaMar’s complete failure at his job over nearly a decade and move in a different direction.
The Reds again failed to do anything notable, no surprise for an organization that has had four outfielders for three spots for three years now and has refused to address the problem. They couldn’t clear that logjam, or make minor deals for some of their veteran relievers. The Pirates dealt Lawton, but couldn’t move Jose Mesa or Mark Redman. The Royals didn’t find a taker for Mike Sweeney. Just six real sellers, more than a dozen motivated buyers, and yet LaMar, Dan O’Brien, Dave Littlefield, and Allard Baird combined for one deal in the last seven days before the deadline. The job security of these men, none of whom has assembled a .500 team or made dynamic moves in that direction, is mind-boggling.

― mattbot (mattbot), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

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