The 2005 National League West Division

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Is on pace to claim the title of being the worst division in the history of baseball.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 4 August 2005 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

I wish I could disagree but yeah. People said this all the time last year but I angrily disagreed. This year, there's really no counterargument.

But then again, I still think that Peavy, Lawrence, Eaton could accidentally win a playoff game or two if the batters aren't in the freezer that week.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 4 August 2005 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

It will be a disappointment if the division winners do not go all the way in the postseason.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 4 August 2005 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

The NL Worst -- it's the sub-.500 club, even at the top

By BERNIE WILSON, AP Sports Writer
August 15, 2005

SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Is this any way to try to win a division?

The San Diego Padres have again dropped below .500 while continuing to lead the NL West, making them the first team to top a division with a losing record this late in the season.

That's quite a distinction.

Even more amazing is that as awful as the Padres have played since June 1 -- they're a stunning 15 games under .500 in that span -- no one else in the NL Worst has been able to catch them for more than two days.

``I think it's been a while since there's been a division that's struggled as much as us, or has been devastated by injuries as much as we have,'' manager Bruce Bochy said. ``I think sometimes everybody loses sight of how hard every team has been hit by injuries.''

The Padres got another painful reminder on Sunday when, while en route to being swept by Philadelphia for the second time in three weeks, shortstop Khalil Greene broke his left big toe diving for a ball.

Greene went on the disabled list Monday and will be out for two to three weeks, costing the Padres one of their most consistent bats.

The only Padres regulars from the opening day lineup who haven't spent time on the DL are right fielder Brian Giles and left fielder Ryan Klesko. Third baseman Sean Burroughs' bat was so sickly that he was demoted to Triple-A on July 23.

The NL West truly is sad-sack. At 58-59, the Padres lead the Arizona Diamondbacks (56-63) by three games. That's the same lead the Padres enjoyed on May 31, when they'd just finished the best month in franchise history, going 22-6 to jump to 33-19.

The Los Angeles Dodgers (53-64), written off by most everyone long ago, are only five back. San Francisco (50-66) is 7 1/2 behind. The Colorado Rockies, the worst team in the NL at 44-74 and the second-worst in the majors, are a mere 14 1/2 games behind the Padres.

If the Padres were in any other division, they'd be no higher than third. If they played in the NL East, they'd be last.

Oh, and by the way, Padres season ticket holders can now buy playoff tickets.

San Diego has had plenty of chances to bury its rivals, and probably should have a double-digit lead by now.

After All-Star Jake Peavy beat the Diamondbacks 4-1 on July 16, the Padres were 50-42 and had a 6 1/2 -game lead.

``We've got a foot on their throats,'' Peavy said then. ``I hope we can break their backs tomorrow, put some distance between us.''

They didn't, of course.

``I guess we got a reprieve,'' Diamondbacks manager Bob Melvin said the next day after a 6-1 Arizona win.

``I think that's what's become the disappointment for us, the way we've been playing, because we've brought the other teams back into the mix as opposed to pushing ourselves away,'' Padres first baseman Mark Sweeney said.

The last team to lead a division with a losing record in August was Texas, which topped the AL West at 52-62 on Aug. 11, 1994. The players' strike began the next day, wiping out the rest of the season.

This division race, if that's what it can be called, is ``definitely different,'' Diamondbacks left fielder Luis Gonzalez said.

``It definitely doesn't seem like there's one team really jumping out there to take the initiative to run away with this thing, which is good for us because we're behind San Diego,'' Gonzalez said. ``So we're just going to go out there and keep playing hard and hopefully we can get on one of those winning streaks that we haven't had all year.''

The Padres first dipped below .500 in late July, and Arizona caught them on the 31st, pulling ahead by percentage points. The Padres regained the lead two days later. Typical of the way their season has gone, they went 5-1 on a trip to Pittsburgh and Washington, then lost four of six at home against the New York Mets and Phillies to tumble below .500.

``Back in May, when the Padres went something like 22-6, they had a chance to slam the door, throw the lock around the handle and close it off for everybody else,'' Dodgers manager Jim Tracy said. ``And it didn't happen. So it's not a matter of anybody putting on any type of serious charge thus far, it's a matter of teams just winning some games here and there.''

The defending division champion Dodgers won 12 of their first 14 games this year to equal the best start in franchise history.

Since then, ``there really has been no point in our season where we've ever done anything that resembles some type of a positive run,'' Tracy said.

Padres center fielder Dave Roberts, who won a World Series ring with Boston last year, knows about rallying. His stolen base in the ninth inning of Game 4 of the AL championship series helped spark the Red Sox to their unprecedented comeback against the New York Yankees.

Now he's trying to help the Padres stay afloat through the final seven tenuous weeks of the regular season.

``I've never seen this in baseball, let alone in the NL West,'' said Roberts, who played for the Dodgers for 2 1/2 seasons before being traded to Boston last year.

``We've got a veteran ballclub, and guys who are still very hungry,'' Roberts said. ``There's a lot of guys on this team who haven't won. This is an opportunity for us, and we don't want to let it go. There's been no panic, and guys are still banding together.''

No team has won a division in a non-strike year with a losing record.

``It's going to take over .500 ball to win this division, I firmly believe that,'' Bochy said.

The Padres keep hoping to regain their May magic, reach the playoffs for the first time since playing in the 1998 World Series and take their chances from there.

``I know we're talking about it because of our record, but it's also a case where I don't think we're going to fear who we play because their record is better than ours,'' Sweeney said.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

Don't the Rockies have the division's best record since June 1 or thereabouts?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

No wonder Gygax is such a crank about F-Her!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

"I want people to say Milton Bradley was a pretty good ballplayer and a pretty good person," Bradley said. "Anybody who is going to stand between me getting there, then they need to be eliminated."

polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 21 August 2005 07:08 (nineteen years ago)

the unheralded best player in the NL West this year is...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5513

gear (gear), Sunday, 21 August 2005 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

Four words:

IN A PIG'S ASS.

(a pig's ass = the NL West, obv)

David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

I predict Dr. Morbius will say something like: yeah, the best unheralded player in the NL West is a part-timer.

David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

I thought the best player in the NL West would be someone scrappy like Craig Counsell or Mike Matheny or something.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 21 August 2005 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

Wow Tony Clark.

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 22 August 2005 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

mARK sweeney's putting up a .430 OBP & .530 SLG for the pads in a role similar to what clark's is or was (since i'm not sure what clark's is or was - but it's clearly part time, or was).

John (jdahlem), Monday, 22 August 2005 01:46 (nineteen years ago)

it appears as though Milton Bradley's beef was with none other than Jeff Kent.

gear (gear), Monday, 22 August 2005 05:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'll trade you the details of that feud for this tasty non sequitur: When asked by a reporter if he was OK, Bradley replied, "I'm always OK. As long as I'm black, I'm fine."

Leeeeeeee (Leee), Monday, 22 August 2005 05:38 (nineteen years ago)

"HR" tells me Tony Clark is just cloggin' up the basepaths!

The year Brian Giles is having seems underappreciated... at the moment I might put him as high as #7 or 8 on an MVP ballot, with Jeff Kent (the only other Westie) right around there.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

do we have any idea just much petco plays to pitchers yet?

John (jdahlem), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
Jim Baker of BP:


Los Angeles Dodgers (24th) @ San Francisco Giants (25th)

The tagline for this one is: “The Battle to Maintain the False Hope of Catching the Padres.”

The National League West should provide us with the most entertainment in the coming winter. With a division so ripe for the taking, one would assume that all five teams will be doing everything in their power to fill the very obvious vacuum that exists here. There are two ways to approach a depressed division: go all out to win it or assume that it won’t take much effort and half-ass it on the cheap. It will be interesting to see which teams take which approach.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 September 2005 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

I presume the Padres and Dodgers are just gonna try to keep some fuckers healthy (and maybe try to get someone who can hit 20 home runs too.) The Giants and Rockies are lost causes, unless the former discover some crazy anti-aging shit.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 16 September 2005 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

moises needs to see his doctor in the offseason, obviously
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gear (gear), Friday, 16 September 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

SF has narrowed SD's lead down to 4 with 7 games left, including 4 head-to-head games starting today at PetCo (where both SF and SD play well).

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 26 September 2005 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

I like our chances to at least win one game.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 26 September 2005 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

Pythagoras took a beating in the NL West this year

Actual W-L Expected W-L Differential
San Diego 78-79 72-85 +6
San Francisco 74-83 69-88 +5
Arizona 73-84 62-95 +11 (!)
LA Dodgers 70-87 71-86 -1
Colorado 65-92 66-91 -1

Damn, that's one shitty division, where no team was expected to win more than about 75 games.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 29 September 2005 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

In a weird way, it feels kind of amazing to root for a team this historically improbable. Let's see if we can muster a win or two against the Cards. For me, that would be a successful season.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 29 September 2005 05:26 (nineteen years ago)

Go for three!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 September 2005 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

I watched Brandon Webb yesterday, 5 of the hits against him came on 0-2 pitches. He's got to learn to nibble more on that 3rd pitch.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

Flashback to 2005? Worst division in baseball again? Did anyone expect this?

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 11:27 (seventeen years ago)

I expected everyone but the Diamondbacks to be terrible, yes.

felicity, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 23:00 (seventeen years ago)

I thought the Dodgers would at least be mediocre. Same w/ the Rockies.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 23:04 (seventeen years ago)

I thought the Padres, Rockies, D-Backs and Dodgers would all win at least 75 games.

polyphonic, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 23:50 (seventeen years ago)

I am honestly surprised that the Giants are more than 25 games under .500 at this point.

Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 00:03 (seventeen years ago)

more = less

Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 00:03 (seventeen years ago)

I expected the DBacks and Dodgers to be good, and the Padres and Rockies to be decent if not good. Basically a slight division-wide regression from last year, with the exception of the DBacks. But S. Shasta is right, the Giants are the biggest surprise of all.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 08:37 (seventeen years ago)

two weeks pass...

no team with a winning record.

Steve Shasta, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:08 (sixteen years ago)

At least AZ has fixed their '07 run differential issue.

Andy K, Thursday, 3 July 2008 17:44 (sixteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Keith law: (1:03 PM ET ) If the NL West was the Upper Class Twit of the Year competition, the Rockies would be Oliver, right? Dead, but not necessarily out of it.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 24 July 2008 18:52 (sixteen years ago)

Upper-class twits?

polyphonic, Thursday, 24 July 2008 19:49 (sixteen years ago)

Monty Python ref.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 24 July 2008 19:50 (sixteen years ago)

Hmm, I usually get those.

polyphonic, Thursday, 24 July 2008 19:54 (sixteen years ago)


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