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gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

britney nude xtina

L(E^24) (Leee), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

you should prob delete that

L(E^24) (Leee), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

haha i don't think google spiders go into threads anymore (but i could be wrong)

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

So is Rickey Henderson going to play next year?

My bet is he will try, but who will breakdown and make the call?

earlnash, Monday, 10 November 2003 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

We should start a Rickey Pool. I say the Mets.

L(E^24) (Leee), Monday, 10 November 2003 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
i saw the giants yesterday

Runner-up, 'Best Person' (nordicskilla), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

SUCCESS!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

I did too. Their bullpen could ostensibly improve with the addition of Danny Graves.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

I think they need a creative playmaker to sit in the area behind the two front men (most commonly known as "the hole"), kind of a Cantona figure.

Runner-up, 'Best Person' (nordicskilla), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

Still, there was a seal riding a little car. That was cool.

Runner-up, 'Best Person' (nordicskilla), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

If "Danny Graves" = "improvement", then their bullpen could obstensibly improve with the addition Mike Krukow, Joe Nuxhall, Jim Palmer, and two of Mordecai Brown's three fingers, too.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Did y'all know Rickey is playing for the SAN DIEGO SURF DAWGS this year?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

I saw him steal a base last night on the highlights!

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

"Surf Dawgs"? Jesus.

http://www.sportsartifacts.com/pcl50seals.JPG

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

So Americans don't actually "watch" sports? They just sit and eat cheesesteak in large arenas where sport happens to be taking place?

Runner-up, 'Best Person' (nordicskilla), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Yeeeees, I'm doing that thing again!

Runner-up, 'Best Person' (nordicskilla), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

What thing?

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 27 May 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

I saw the Giants lose to the As the other day. Some big fattey named "Thomas Kinkade" threw out the first pitch. I hear he is an "artist." Where can I purchase his works?

Community Cornerstone (deangulberry), Saturday, 28 May 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

http://www.piersidegallery.com/artists/kinkade/tk2y1-09b-memchristmas.jpg

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Sunday, 29 May 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)

WTF, seals don't have feet

Stupornaut (natepatrin), Monday, 30 May 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

you might have heard of this Seal before he abandoned West Coast baseball:
http://www.sports-photos.com/catalog/images/JoeDiMaggio7BW.tif.jpg

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 May 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
couldn't find the other thread but mr. steve shasta will be pleased:

Reporters who refused to reveal BALCO leak get prison [sports.espn.go.com]

SAN FRANCISCO -- Two San Francisco Chronicle reporters were ordered jailed Thursday for a maximum of 18 months, pending an appeal, for refusing to testify about who leaked them secret grand jury testimony from Barry Bonds and other elite athletes.

Federal prosecutors asked U.S. District Judge Jeffrey White to send the reporters to prison for the full term of the grand jury investigating the leak, or until they agree to testify.

"The court is hopeful that perhaps they'll reconsider their position when faced with the reality of incarceration," White said Thursday.

Williams and Fainaru-Wada have said repeatedly they would go to jail rather than comply with the grand jury's subpoena and reveal their source or sources.

"I'm supposed to keep my promises when people help me and take me at their word," Williams said in court. "I do despair for our country if we go very far down this road, because no one will talk to reporters."

Both sides agreed to stay the ruling by White sending the reporters to jail pending an appeal to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The reporters agreed with the government that they are in contempt of court but sought a "nominal monetary fine" and other punishment "short of full blown incarceration," including house arrest and weekend jailing, according to court documents.

In arguing for the stiff penalty, federal prosecutors cited the reporters' statements that they would go to jail before testifying.

"Only imprisonment would be the type of sanction that's going to get their attention," Assistant U.S. Attorney Douglas Miller said.

Authorities want to charge whoever unlawfully leaked the transcripts, and told White that the reporters are the only ones who know who did. White ordered the two to testify on Aug. 15. The criminal conduct being investigated in the Bonds leak case includes possible perjury and obstruction of justice by government officials, defendants in the BALCO probe and their attorneys. All had access to the leaked documents but have sworn they weren't the source of the reporting by Williams and Fainaru-Wada.

In August, White ruled his hands were tied by a 1972 Supreme Court precedent that said no one -- journalists included -- was above the law and may refuse to testify before a federal grand jury.

Chronicle executive vice president and editor Phil Bronstein said the case highlighted the need for a federal law to protect journalists from having to reveal their confidential sources.

"It's a tragedy that the government seeks to put reporters in jail for doing their job," said Bronstein, standing with the two reporters outside the courthouse after the hearing.

A bipartisan bill before the Senate Judiciary Committee would give reporters protection from revealing their confidential sources in cases that involve federal authorities. Thirty-one states and the District of Columbia have media shield laws already in place.

The Chronicle reported that Bonds told the grand jury that he believed he was using flaxseed oil and arthritic balm, not steroids, supplied by trainer Greg Anderson, one of five defendants convicted in the BALCO scandal.

Anderson served his three months and is behind bars again for refusing to testify before another federal grand jury investigating whether Bonds committed perjury when he gave that testimony in the BALCO case.

Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 22 September 2006 01:15 (nineteen years ago)

"It's a tragedy that the government seeks to put reporters in jail for doing their job," said Bronstein, standing with the two reporters outside the courthouse after the hearing.

Breaking the law = part of their job? Idiots.

I want to know why these douches are taking the fall while the people who gave them the grand jury testimony are presumably getting off the hook completely? They're facing jail time now, so why protect anybody?

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 22 September 2006 06:14 (nineteen years ago)

I am SO VERY GLAD that this case is SO IMPORTANT that our FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has to SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS and PUT REPORTERS IN JAIL. Makes me proud to be an American.

B, if these "idiots" and "douches" break their word and give people up, then we get one step closer to the government controlling the media. There are worse things than jail. As a Canadian (and temporary Israel)i, you might not care, but I am proud of them.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

The stupidest part of this story is that the government already leaked that they got the testimony from Conte a few months ago in that whole PDF redacted text blunder.

While I certainly support the power of the press to report the news/facts, I strongly believe these two reporters are puppets of the FBI agents Jeff Nowitzky and Iran White, the two agents who approached Bonds at his gym while Bonds was working out and Bonds gave them the cold shoulder.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

an fbi agent named iran?!?!? wtf?

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

B, if these "idiots" and "douches" break their word and give people up, then we get one step closer to the government controlling the media.

Since when are you allowed to break the law in the name of journalism? Does this mean I can get caught with drugs or guns and clear my name by claiming I'm a journalist doing an investigation into drug and gun culture? Freedom of the press isn't the issue here, it's a matter of two guys illegally obtaining federal grand jury documents to sell more papers and further their careers.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

Uh no Freedom of Press is the issue here.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Haikunym OTM.

The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

"Since when are you allowed to break the law in the name of journalism?"

*cough* Pentagon Papers *cough*.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

yeah man ny times v. sullivan... tho i think the current supremes would overturn it.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

Nice reductio ad absurdum argument B. If you have any info about drughead gun nuts getting a free pass because they're claiming to be journalists, please share yr info witht he class.

Seriously, if these two guys had snuck in and stolen documents, that's theft and b&e and all that. But someone obv gave them the testimonies, they're journalists following a story, the constitution guarantees freedom of the press, there are many rulings that support journalists' rights to protect sources, that's it for me.

Plus it's not like they leaked dangerous info that cost people their lives or livelihoods, like for example the name of a covert CIA agent or anything.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Haikunym,

Hypothetically: What if (corrupt) government agents leaked the sealed grand jury testimony to the journalists?

And if then the journalists cough up the names of the agents?

Wouldn't that actually be preventing the government from controlling the media?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that's the problem right there - if these guys are legally forced to cough up their sources, then it sets a sketchy precedent for shit like Plamegate & other confidential-source cases.

[xpost]

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Steve Shasta:

Government agents, whether they are corrupt or not, did not FORCE the journalists to publish anything, so "controlling the media" is not applicable. (Your whole implied scenario is pretty Grishamesque; it'd make a great movie starring Josh Hartnett, Brittany Murphy, and Jamie Foxx.)

My problem here is that federal prosecutors are trying to FORCE the journalists to reveal confidential sources, which I do not feel they should have to do. That is where the "control" comes in.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

"Wouldn't that actually be preventing the government from controlling the media?"

This is a joke, right?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

C'mon guys, read the Playboy article again.

I'm on VPN for another hour, so i can't but just google "iran white jeff nowitzky balco playboy"

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

What exactly is your point, Steve? That the leaks weren't newsworthy? That they weren't true? That the journalists shouldn't have published them because the FBI agents maybe had ulterior motives?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

My hypothetical:

The leaks were plants, that Nowitzky AND the two journalists were all in on the book deal (Game Of Shadows) and Nowitzky gets "even" with Bonds for showing him up.

Anderson was granted immunity for his cooperation with the initial probe. That immunity has been suspended and Anderson is back in prison for the third time.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

I would think it would be fairly easy to determine whether or not Nowitzky was in on the book deal.

Maybe he did do it to get even (if he even did it) or maybe he did it because he didn't think they were going to be able to win in court, but he wanted to get it out there anyway--that's pretty much as old as time itself, but really so what? Why should anyone care?

HIS IMMUNITY WAS SUSPENDED BECAUSE HE STOPPED CO-OPERATING, YA DOPE! If he was still helping the government, then he would still be immune.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

I'm (quite obviously) not an attorney, but the immunity plea bargain was for the initial federal probe which expired without any indictments. His testimony was sealed and has NOT been leaked to the press (for whatever reason). Perhaps if someone leaks his testimony to the press, there will be no more reason to hold him and they can let him go.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

I doubt it. I think they would still need him testify (if they need him to testify at all that is.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

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Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

What exactly is your point, Steve? That the leaks weren't newsworthy? That they weren't true?

I can't speak for Steve, but *my* point is that the journalists knew they were involved in breaking the law by obtaining sealed grand jury testimony (through whatever means) and publishing articles about the information contained within. The fact that it didn't mean the difference between life and death for anyone is irrelevant -- it's a crime, it carries a penalty, end of story. Perjury (i.e. Bonds, maybe) isn't a life or death matter either.

They didn't cost anybody their livelihood, true, but they were lucky not to do so. The Yankees surely would have terminated Giambi's contract two springs ago if they'd been able to do it, and if baseball contracts weren't ironclad tight then I'm sure he wouldn't have been the only one to lose his job.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

proceed at your own risk:

http://www.playboy.com/magazine/big_guy/

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

"The fact that it didn't mean the difference between life and death for anyone is irrelevant -- it's a crime, it carries a penalty, end of story."

They aren't going to jail for leaking the testimony!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

Or for publishing the leaked testimony!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

Or for writing a best-selling book based on the leaked testimony!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

Sure, all this amounts to them taking the fall for being definitively linked to leaked testimony (which *is* a crime), but I'm not ready to say that they're being treated unfairly. They knew they were doing something wrong, so I'm not sure I want to buy "we were just following a story!" as an excuse.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

"all this amounts to them taking the fall for being definitively linked to leaked testimony"

No they are TAKING A FALL for refusing to compromise on releasing the name of the sources who leaked the testimony to them. A stand which I (and anyone who respects the press right to report on a subject confidentially) don't generally have a problem with.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I have a problem with confidential documents getting leaked to the press, particularly when 99.99% of the repercussions for it are directed toward those who gave that testimony. We've been over this on lots of other threads, but only me and S. Shasta seem to view this through both lenses.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 22 September 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

I understand the confidentiality principle, but these guys are the least sympathetic bearers of it since Judy Miller.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

at the very least, i'm confident that they'll be able to afford adequate counsel with the influx of pro¢eed$ from their book.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 September 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't I hear some sanctimonious lawyer's statement on ESPN about their quest to Keep baseball Pure or somesuch?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

I erred somewhat ... I thought that *if* the sources were known, then both them and the writers could be charged with a crime, which is not the case. Regardless, I don't feel any more sympathy for Fainaru-Wada and Williams. Joe Sheehan sees things more or less the way I do:

However, Fainaru-Wada and Williams are asking for exactly what they refused the witnesses to the grand jury. When the men and women were ushered into the room to testify, they did so knowing that the testimony they provided would be sealed, heard and read only by the people in that room. The principle of the sanctity of grand-jury testimony enables the judicial system to prosecute crimes using the exact same tool--the promise of confidentiality--that Fainaru-Wada and Williams used in obtaining the information and publishing it.

Fainaru-Wada and Williams showed no concern for confidentiality when they wrote front-page articles using the testimony, signed contracts to write a book based on it, made the rounds of talk shows promoting it, and, I'd imagine, when they spend the money they made off of it. Principles have only come into play now that they’re the ones being asked questions in a courtroom.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 23 September 2006 08:14 (nineteen years ago)

Joe Sheehan is a tool of the federal government though. Hypothetically: He is a rogue federal agent, embedded in the sports media for years to place articles favoring the government's position on CRUCIAL issues like this.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 23 September 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

Joe Sheehan is being an idiot. No one testifies before a Grand Jury with any reasonable expectation that their testimony will be sealed forever. Indictments almost always become unsealed when cases go to trial and all the two reporters did was probably hasten the point where that would have occurred (and profitted by it to, I guess.) Bonds and Giambi and whoever else are not the real victims of anything (even beyond the fact that both brought this ON themselves) and it is not a "right" for someone testifying under any point that their testimony not become part of the public record.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 23 September 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

Not to mention the fact that EVERY Grand Jury trial has leaks. Prosecutors leak. Investigators leak. Jury members leak. Defense attorneys leak. Judges may even leak for all I know. So to pretend that somehow the people at this Grand Jury were uniquely or even prematurely injured, well it's bullshit. They knew when they testified that it would come out eventually and more than not it would probably come out early. It was certainly not unanticipatable and if they testified without being aware of that, well fuck 'em for being so dumb.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 23 September 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

Bonds and Giambi and whoever else are not the real victims of anything (even beyond the fact that both brought this ON themselves)

Again, we've been over this, but you're assuming Bonds' (and others') guilt (Giambi is different, he confessed to starting using steroids post-2001, which is bullshit in all likelihood and yet nobody wants to charge him with perjury, unlike Bonds, but whatever) by trying him in the not-so-respected Court of Public Opinion instead of the actual courts. The whole point of keeping testimony secret is to gather information and not ruin lives or careers before enough evidence can be gathered to charge someone with an actual crime. That's not so much to ask, since the entire process takes considerably less time than "forever", as you put it. It's not to much to ask to let the legal system do its work, rather than creating a media circus that *obstructs* this process.

And why does it matter than testimony has leaked before? Does this make it less illegal? To turn this argument around, this particular Grand Jury trial has gotten more attention than 99.99% of all other Grand Jury trials, and will have significant impact on multi-$B industries, so if the leakers and journalists involved couldn't anticipate the current shitstorm, then fuck 'em for being so dumb.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 23 September 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)


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