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In an effort to come up with a fair and realistic fantasy league, I've determined there needs to be a balance between positive and negative stats in the following categories:

Batting
Pitching
Baserunning
Fielding

For Batting, I've considered the following stats:
BA (neutral)
OBP (neutral)
SLG (neutral)
HR (+)
RBI (+)
R (+)
BB (+)
K (-)
GIDP (-)
LOB (-)

Pitching:
ERA (neutral)
WHIP (neutral)
K/9 (neutral)
K/BB (neutral)
IP (+)
W (+)
K (+)
SV (+)
HOLDS (+)
L (-)
BB (-)
HR (-)
Blown Saves (-)

I'm strongly considering Games Started (in an effort to get managers to carry more starters) and open to discussion about Stolen Bases Allowed/Caught Stealing.

For Fielding:
Fielding % (neutral)
Errors (-)
Chances (+)
By including Chances, I think this will help this category become much more balanced (not so negative).

For Baserunning:
SB (+)
CS (-)
I'm not sure if there's a category for Runners Advanced (or Runner Advancing Himself) but I would be interested in this. I do know there's a Total Bases stat but not sure if that would accomplish the same goal as what I'm envisioning here.

Discus.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

I like these, they're definitely superior to the categories we had last year.

I've commented on this elsewhere, but there is redundancy in having K/BB, K/9, K, and BB -- if and only if IP and GS are also categories (or even one of the two). I think we'd be better off with just IP, GS, K/BB and K/9 (or IP, GS, K, BB -- but I generally prefer the rate stats).

Same for SB and CS -- why not go with the more neutral SB% ?

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

can't do SB%, that would reward dudes with one SB in one attempt

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

also, this set-up harshly discourages the selection of Wily Mo Pena, so I MUST PROTEST THE UNFAIR NEGATIVE JOE MORGAN-LIKE NEGATIVE STRIKEOUT STAT, get one 3TO

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

I think the redundancy of having K/BB and K/9 in addition to K and BB is similar to having HRs and SLG (or BB and OBP) in the offensive categories. I understand the redundancy but having an aggregate (couting stat) and a weighted average percentage (rate) is okay by me.

IP was not enough last year. Games Started will level out the playing field a bit more for the types of pitchers being drafted and carried throughout the season.

w/r/t SB... Ideally there'd be a SABR friendly formula like Net SB = SB - (1.8 * CS), but I don't think Yahoo is at that level.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

But from last year's standings, the teams that had a lot of SB also had a lot of CS, so these categories tended to cancel each other out. In other words, guys with one SB in one attempt were already getting rewarded because of the zero CS (despite having only one SB).

SB% favours efficient base stealers over the guys who steal 25 in 40 attempts.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

the league and team tables won't fit on any of our computer, there are 28 categories here! o whatever happened to good old 5 X 5, where have you gone joe dimaggio, the corner malt-shop, goldfish-eating, etc.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

I think the redundancy of having K/BB and K/9 in addition to K and BB is similar to having HRs and SLG (or BB and OBP) in the offensive categories.

I see what you mean, but hitters can pad their SLG with XBH's, not just HR. Although I agree that the monster SLG numbers are exclusively the domain of HR hitters.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe we should do both.

H, forget Wily Mo, this is being hand-crafted for BILL HALL.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

haha Billy kept my team in contention for a while last year... except he's not starting anymore!!!

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

Who's gonna volunteer to run the 2005 fantasy teams through the 2006 stats to see who would have REALLY won last year???

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

SHUT UP

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

SLG + OBP = OPS, so heaving OPS makes sense, as including SLG & OBP make it redundant.

However, along that same line of thought: Errors / Chances = Fielding %, so why keep FP around? Unless you're trying to get me to go FAPPO on yet another FanBall thread.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

Looks okay to me. Except for the fact that we do have a few too many stats going - esp for hitters. Maybe we could drop all the fielding stats except for % and also drop GIDP.

And maybe drop HR from pitching so we have fewer negative stats there?

xpost

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

Also, GIDP & LOB? That's not very clutch!

[no, YOU xpost]

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 February 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

I was going to suggest that too ... drop either GIDP or LOB (I would prefer to keep GIDP because it's less team-dependent -- I think).

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 2 February 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

GIDP will be pretty negatively impacted by batting order, a team's runscoring ability, and whether or not the player is Alex Rodriguez.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 2 February 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

I like having OBP and OPS separate to balance out BA (trying to keep the classic 5x5 stats in).

Including Chances weights the defense peformance based on opportunities, something that fielding % doesn't. For example, say your 3B is a player eligible at both RF/3B and spends most of his time in RF... it's going to be to your advantage that he's not spending time at the hot corner. Whereas a true 3B is going to get peppered at during the game.

Up until this year the only negative batting aggregate stat has been Ks, which is pretty much why in the total fantasy rankings batters are more valued than pitchers. I think w/r/t offensive stats we need negative stats to balance out the league between pitching/batting.

RBIs (batting order incidental stats) are countered by GIDP/LOBs (also batting order incidental).

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 2 February 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

What I'm trying to say about including Chances is that it doesn't punish managers who draft pure position infielders as opposed to those managers who throw utility guys into critical defensive infield spots.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 2 February 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

an indecent proposal

OBP (neutral)
SLG (neutral)
R (+)
BB (+)
K (-)
LOB (-)

WHIP (neutral)
K/BB (neutral)
IP (+)
K (+)
SV (+)
BB (-)
HR (-)
Blown Saves (-)

Errors (-)
Chances (+)

SB (+)
CS (-)

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 2 February 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

Aren't we limited to what Yahoo offers?

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 2 February 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

These were the stats available for PLUS, I'm not sure if they're all available for the regular Yahoo league (couldn't for the life of me figure out how to check that).

Statistical Categories:
Batting:
Games Played;
Games Started;
Batting Average (Rotisserie, Head-to-Head - Standard, One Win);
Slugging Percentage (Rotisserie, Head-to-Head - Standard, One Win);
On-Base Percentage (Rotisserie, Head-to-Head - Standard, One Win);
On-base + Slugging Percentage (Rotisserie, Head-to-Head - Standard, One Win);
Fielding Percentage (Rotisserie, Head-to-Head - Standard, One Win);
At Bats;
Runs Scored;
Hits;
Singles;
Doubles;
Triples;
Home Runs;
Runs Batted In;
Sacrifice Hits;
Sacrifice Flys;
Stolen Bases;
Caught Stealing;
Walks;
Intentional Walks;
Strikeouts;
Ground Into Double Play;
Total Bases;
Putouts;
Assists;
Errors

Pitching:
Pitching Appearances;
Games Started;
Earned Run Average (Rotisserie, Head-to-Head - Standard, One Win);
WHIP Ratio (Rotisserie, Head-to-Head - Standard, One Win);
Strikeouts per Nine Innings (Rotisserie, Head-to-Head - Standard, One Win) ;
Strikeout to Walk Ratio (Rotisserie, Head-to-Head - Standard, One Win);
Wins;
Losses;
Complete Games;
Shutouts;
Saves;
Outs;
Hits;
Total Batters Faced;
Runs;
Earned Runs;
Home Runs;
Walks;
Intentional Walks;
Hit Batters;
Strikeouts;
Wild Pitches;
Balks;
Stolen Bases Allowed;
Batters Grounded Into Double Plays;
Save Chances;
Holds;
Total Bases Allowed;
Innings Pitched

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 2 February 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

My ideal super-fantasy fun-time league set-up would be:

Batting
• Triples
• Sacrifice Flys
• Intentional Walks
• Ground Into Double Play
• Putouts
• Assists

Pitching
• Losses
• Total Batters Faced
• Wild Pitches
• Balks
• Batters Grounded Into Double Plays
• Complete Games
• Shutouts

just for laughs!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 2 February 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

Christian Guzman & Zack Grienke = MVPs!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

I can't remember what thread I included my ideals on, but I know they DIDN'T INCLUDE HOLDS.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

Hey I just realized that I am going to be intensely busy at work from April through June, so I probably shouldn't sign up for such a competitive league this year. Better to mention it now than after the draft. I can't find the old thread for sign-ups, but please give my spot to someone else. Good luck, everyone.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:55 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

Actually, I'm going to bow out as well. I don't think I'll have the time this year to pay attention as much as I'd like, and I'd probably just sink to the cellar again.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

If people are bowing out then I can take someone's place, commissioner Shasta.

― laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 17 March 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

If you need somebody to fill a space in your league, I'm available. THis is my first post here, but I promise you I stink to high heaven at fantasy baseball. If allowed in the league, my first round draft pick will be Ugueth Urbina, followed by Phil Nevin.

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 17 March 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

there's one spot open right now: blount and lawrence kansas are the wings... let's wait a little bit, i think we'll have room for everyone.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 17 March 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

is phil plantier still playing first for san diego?

― gear (gear), Friday, 17 March 2006 23:45 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, let's work this out... only a few days left.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm basically OK with the statistics. I don't see a minimum IP option for rotisserie leagues, but I still think that the 1250 IP limit might be too low. Did anybody save last year's standings? Can last year's IP numbers be checked?

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

fielding = intrigue. Full support on this end.

― ample parking (Garrett Martin), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

i'm cool w/ these.

it wasn't 1250 last year? i think i came in under and fluctuated b/w 4 & 7 starters.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

I think it was 1400 or 1450 last year. You basically need to carry six starters to hit that number, but 1250 could be attainable with five (or less -- a lot of people carried fewer than five starters last year, which is why I'm wondering if anyone has last year's IP numbers).

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

I'm gonna change it to 1450.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

hey steve, my friends and neighbors (cococoma and headache city) are playing at the hemlock tavern tonight. go see 'em, it'll be a good time!

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks for the heads up. I will try, I have a movie to catch but I'll see what time everything ends and figure it out.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

q: why have a limit? A minimum I understand (we use it in local leagues so that no one tries to steal ERA, Whip and saves, ignore the others), but if we're making it a point-counting stat like any other, why not let it be infinite?

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

Wins & Ks.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

Milo brings up a good point, if you've could hypothetically draft all good-great starters, why should their be a limit to the amount of innings you can pitch?

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

Guh?

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

I assumed we were trying to achieve balance ... we don't want teams carrying 2-3 starters, so we make IP and GS into counting stats. But we also don't want them carrying 7-8 starters, so we have an IP limit and negative counting stats like BB and HR.

I think it's the best way to get our pitching staffs to ressemble real life pitching staffs, with 5-6 starters and 6-7 relievers. We have no way of requiring teams to make X starts per week, like in a head-to-head league.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

I was just thinking about the depth of our league and how bottom of the barrel the starting pitching candidates are after the draft.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

I think ervything looks great for this year, i wouldn't change anything.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

Haha... that's it, I'm changing EVERYTHING.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

NO FIELDING PERCENTAGE THX

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

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