Your 2006 Cincinnati Reds: The Bronson Arroyo Appreciation Edition

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Through April 11th, Bronson Arroyo has hit as many home runs as Todd Helton, Mark Teixeira, Jeff Kent, Manny Ramirez, Chipper Jones, Aubrey Huff, Cliff Floyd, Barry Bonds, Adrian Beltre, Bobby Abreu, and Gary Sheffield combined.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:03 (twenty years ago)

This is some heady stuff, guys.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:04 (twenty years ago)

You should've taken Chaser.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:11 (twenty years ago)

I think he's trying to motivate Adam Dunn.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:14 (twenty years ago)

I think it's funny the dude has more hr's than Willy Mo!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)

He has more ABs!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:15 (twenty years ago)

this morning i forgot he had been traded and when i saw his cutoff sleeves on sports center i thought "wtf did Boston do to their uniforms?!"

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 14:10 (twenty years ago)

If he hits a home run off a pitcher not named Glendon Rusch then it'll be time to break out the animated gifs.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 14:17 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
Will Carroll:

"Speaking of Cincy, are they this year’s White Sox? Too early for that kind of talk, though Bronson Arroyo’s complete game was masterful (and 109 pitches). They’re 8-2 against the Pirates, Nats, and Fish."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Wily Mo's now ahead, BTW.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 16:51 (twenty years ago)

He still has as many or more home runs than some guys on that list.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 18:55 (twenty years ago)

Well, including two guys on the DL and one guy that's a bonafide stiff is a good way to ensure that!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 19:03 (twenty years ago)

It is good to see Bronson Arroyo off to a good start, but Baseball Tonight had to go and put things back in their place reminding of the last two starters to win at least their first five starts to begin the season for the Reds.

Mike LaCoss 1979
Paul Wilson

Neither of those two turned into starters, but LaCoss had just as crazy a hair as Arroyo.


I hope the Reds have finally turned the corner. They got a new owner who so far has not done anything too stupid.

The pitching coach Don Gullett finally seems to have some decent arms to work with these days and the beginnings of an actual staff. As bad as the Reds pitching has been since the Griffey trade, you might want to blame Gullett, but I think he has often times gotten the most out of what he had to work with. The Reds got off to good starts a few times in the past few years only to have the lack of any depth in the pitching to lead to a second half nose dive.

Either way, I will take Arroyo, Brandon Claussen, Aaron Harang, and now Elizardo Rameriez as the core of a starting staff over guys like Elmer Dessens, Chris Reitsma, Jimmy Haynes, etc. Claussen and Harang are not consistent, as they still seem to have one start in five where they really suck, but they are also putting together one or two really good starts in five. Those two also strike out batters, which is something most of the dead arms they have had the past five years could not do. I do think Arroyo is getting that boost from the fact that many NL hitters have not seen him, but it was what the Reds needed. Dave Williams and the hurt Eric Milton are both terrible, in fact Milton getting hurt may be a bonus, as Ramieriez has pitched great since getting called up to the Reds.

The bullpen is still a bit scary, as they got the Rhyme of the Ancient Reliever playing way too often with David Weathers, Kent Mercker, and Chris Hammond, but only Hammond has been terrible of those three. Todd Coffey has been real tough out of the bullpen.

They still need to improve their defense, but it seems a bit better this year.

The Reds lineup is young and talented at most positions.

1b/Util- Rich Aurila/Scott Hatteburg (So far Cinci is getting good production out of these two guys.)
2b- Brandon Phillips (This dude has been a machine.)
SS- Felipe Lopez
3b- Edwin Encarancion (Big Bat...but has made a bunch of errors.)
LF- Adam Dunn
CF- Ryan Freel
RF- Austin Kearns
C- David Ross/Jason LaRue/Jose Valentine

I would not call them the White Sox, as that club's starting pitching had more experience and they all just gelled at once with the bullpen being young and much more talented than what Cinci currently has today. The Reds could probably have a better offense than last years Sox.

But it is May not August, so I won't get too far up. The Reds have also had a bad history of second half collapses generally tied with half the club ending up on the DL. Maybe Griffey going is going ahead and getting his yearly injury out of the way so he will be back for a playoff run. I hope so.


(If a Mod sees this-- can we retitle this thread and making it the catch all 2006 Reds thread.)

Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 23:44 (twenty years ago)

done!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 23:55 (twenty years ago)

no respeck for Cinci spelling

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 12:46 (twenty years ago)

haha, fixed!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 13:49 (twenty years ago)

What a finish tonight! The Reds give up three in the top of the 11th to the Nationals and then storm back led by a three run shot by Griffey in the bottom of the inning to win the game.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 12 May 2006 01:52 (nineteen years ago)

And Brando Ks 8 in 8 innings?!?!?

Who's spiking his Wheaties?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 12 May 2006 03:34 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
Tied for first place again! As long as the Reds can keep out of their long relief and not make so many costly errors, they are good to go. They have been getting some good starts and not throwing the ball all around the field and have rebounded.

Todd Coffey has been good out of the bullpen.

There has been talk about swapping Lopez and Phillips in the field, but Narron does not seem to think it could be done "in season", which seems pretty weak to me.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 8 June 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

With Pujols, Carpenter, and Edmonds all hurting or on the DL, is it just me or do the Cards look really vulnerable right now? Their second best starter right now is arguably Sidney Ponson ffs.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 8 June 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
Wow...what a comeback tonight coming back from seven down in the bottom of the eighth ending with Adam Dunn hitting a grand slam to end the game.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Saturday, 1 July 2006 04:48 (nineteen years ago)

http://bestmessageboardever.com/uploads/post-1452-1151299567.jpg

INSANE CLOWN FOSSE (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 1 July 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Arroyo

c(''c) (Leee), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

dead to me

INSANE CLOWN FOSSE (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 05:41 (nineteen years ago)

HUNGOVER at the mid-summer classic.


PITTSBURGH -- Bronson Arroyo didn't think he was going to pitch during the All-Star Game at PNC Park on Tuesday. In fact, he gently lobbied National League manager Phil Garner to try to avoid using him unless it was absolutely necessary.

It wasn't so much because Arroyo started for the Reds on Sunday, the final game before the break, and wasn't able to bounce back quickly enough.

No, Arroyo was hoping to get the night off mainly because he's been having so much ... fun in Pittsburgh.

"I just went out too hard the other night," Arroyo said. "I told him if he can get by without me, get by without me."

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe Fox cut away from his Oasis cover after about 7 seconds.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:18 (nineteen years ago)

how long did he stand on the mound before figuring out there was a Roberto Clemente tribute going on right in front of him?

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

Nothing against Clemente, but how about doin all that before the game?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

By the Prospectus adjusted standings, everyone in the Central is a sub-.500 team.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/standings.php

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

Sounds about right.

mattbot (mattbot), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

Jim Baker of BP:


7.9 to 3.0. That's Wily Mo Pena's VORP as opposed to that of the man he was traded for, Bronson Arroyo. Except that's just Arroyo's VORP for hitting the ball, not for tossing it. If you want to bring his main gig into the picture, he's at 39.6 for pitching. So, may I be the 4,321st person to say many, many kudos to Reds general manager Wayne Krivsky for engineering this deal. May I also say that whatever Krivsky managed to put in the positive column of his lifetime decisions--including saving orphans from burning buildings and cute baby aliens from space ship crashes if he has, in fact, done such things--was all obliterated yesterday.

We all make mistakes. We marry the wrong people, we get in the slow line at the supermarket, we choose the wrong careers. There are two types of wrong decisions, though. The first is the kind that seems like the right thing to do at the time but that goes wrong later. You marry a person because you're in love. You choose a particular checkout line because the people ahead of you don't have many items and the cashier has quick hands. You go into a field that seems lucrative. Sometimes these go wrong later and the decision looks bad in hindsight.

The second type of wrong decision is the one that looks bad from the moment of conception. It is this type that Wayne Krivsky has made with the Austin Kearns et al trade. Apart from the humiliation of being taken to the cleaners by a general manager who is not known as being one of the shrewder operators on the scene, there is nothing about this deal that makes sense. OK, it addresses the Reds need for relief help. Look at the list of highest-ranking relievers above. How many of them are found properties? Relief pitching--especially middle relief--is not the sort of thing one has to pry the gold out of one's teeth to buy. It's out there. What is especially frustrating about this trade--and here is where it mimics the other colossally bad trade of recent vintage, the Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano deal--is that Kearns could have brought so much more from somewhere else. I never upbraid a team for trading a player--they're commodities after all. What is painful to watch is when a team unloads talent and gets so little in return.

That is my main gripe with this trade. It could be that Kearns and Felipe Lopez--who are both in their primes--will go to Washington and do nothing. We don't know that, though. Their potential could have landed the Reds a lot more than what they got and this is why Krivsky should have woken up this morning with the same feeling of dread that a sailor does when dawn breaks and he finds himself in bed with a peg-legged 65-year old strumpet and a giant sea squid.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

Christina Kahrl's dressing-down is even sweeter.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

hey, the Mets just beat Bullpen Upgrade Majewski in the 10th!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 July 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Majewski has gotten clobbered in all three appearances since joining the Reds giving up five runs in two innings with a loss and blown save attached.

I've got a feeling that this trade is going to end up on the list of the most sucky ones ever.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 21 July 2006 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

End up?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 21 July 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

There is slim hope I suppose. The Angels dealing Jim Edmonds to the Cards for basically Adam Kennedy looks like a total loss on the surface, but then again Kennedy was a big part of Anaheim winning a World Series, which is something that St. Louis hasn't gotten done in the interim.

If by some dumb luck fluke chance this idiotic deal somehow brings a short term gain of a Cinci a title, which by odds is about the same as getting struck by lightning. The deal is done and that is that, so I guess I can only hope for the best.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 21 July 2006 04:18 (nineteen years ago)


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