The best NL pitcher in 2009 was...

carp

his ERA/WHIP by month is crazy

0.00/0.70
0.95/0.74
3.67/0.89
1.75/1.22
2.20/1.00
2.75/1.19

it's so hard to say. if carp pitched the entire season it'd be his (assuming he pitched just as good) - but i could go with either one personally.

or, you know, Lincecum. (who has a whisker lead in VORP)

ERA - Carp - 2.24
WHIP - Haren - 1.00! (Carp with 1.01)
Ks - Lincecum - 261
K/BB - Haren - 223/38
W - Wainwright - 19-8
BA - Lincecum - .206

all the non-stathead stats you can pick are split pretty evenly. (except for maybe Wainwright)

xpost. ok was wondering when vorp etc was gonna come up

any Strength of Opponents stats?

:|

well, when it's this close you look at everything.

is VORP park-adjusted and SOS-adjusted?

What about Pitching Runs Created?

CC in a walk

Carpenter

^^^

If Wainwright wouldn't have gotten totally screwed the last time he pitched (he left the game in the 7th, up 5-0, and the bullpen managed to blow it) he would've made it to 20 wins. Wins alone shouldn't determine the winner, of course, but I do think a lot of voters see 20 wins, with the nearest competitors at 17W and 15W and just go for the 20-game winner.

Watching Wainwright pitch this season, it seems like he's gotten screwed several times this season. And I just noticed espn's "tough loss" stat, which measures the amount of times that a pitcher loses despite a quality start (6 full innings, 3 earned runs or less). Turns out that Wainwright had 6 Tough Losses this season, putting him up near the top in the NL. Lincecum and Haren ere up there too, with 5, while Carp only had 2.

So, in hypothetical world, assuming half of each pitcher's Tough Losses were instead Wins, and the other half remained as Losses, the W/L stats would look like this:

Wainwright: 6 22-5
Carpenter: 2 18-3
Lincecum: 5 18-4
Haren: 5 17-7

(I was nice with Lincecum and Haren and translated 3 of their 5 Tough Losses into Wins)

The other thing is that pitchers for last place teams don't generally have a chance unless they pull off a Steve Carlton. Haren was great this year, but it wasn't a legendary season or anything.

I could see Lincecum possibly winning this if the Giants had come closer to making the playoffs. But as it stands, it's Wainwright vs Carp, I think. And as a big Cards fan, I can't really decide.

You can make an argument for any of the top 3, just like you could make it for TL or Johan last year.

One more argument for Wainwright. He led the NL in innings pitched, and then there's this: 12-1 on the road, and 7-7 at home despite a 2.05 ERA in 19 home starts. I think he'll win the Cy Young, and I think he just deserves it (barely) over Carp, too.

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zero votes for Wainwright! Huh.

[16:13] harrylimearl: do me a favor, post in the "
The best NL pitcher in 2009 was..." thread and mention that i said morbs is a sack of shit for leaving javy vasquez off the poll
[16:13] harrylimearl: vazquez

who's that, Keith Law?

oh, I know who it was. The dead should lie down.

Lincecum 7
My sockpuppets!

looks like your sockpuppets have proliferated!

love it

shut it small bear

[16:13] harrylimearl: do me a favor, post in the "
The best NL pitcher in 2009 was..." thread and mention that i said morbs is a sack of shit for leaving javy vasquez off the poll
[16:13] harrylimearl: vazquez

― ♪♫(●̲̲̅̅̅̅=̲̲̅̅̅̅●̲̅̅)♪♫ (Steve Shasta), Monday, October 5, 2009 6:31 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

who's that, Keith Law?

― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Monday, October 5, 2009 8:18 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

lol law voted vazquez second -_-

i may go shasta and start cherry picking random mediocre park adjusted stats for lincecum

: D

lol klaw fucking owns

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0DkrZEykZFk/R_qX9p4WUTI/AAAAAAAABuI/vi99cqiNGoA/s400/gadgetclaw.jpg

bnw, you knows it.

but having 2 cards against each other totes cannabilized each other's chances. sux2bu

3-way tie woulda been best, as wd Lincecum-Johan last year

sux2bu2

Lincecum has his own favorite indicator.

"To say which one I look to the most, I would just say WHIP," he said, referring to walks plus hits allowed per inning, "just because you just limit the amount of baserunners that can hurt you."

flawed cuz if you give up HRs versus groundball gappers, each counts as a "hit".

what is your preferred metric Morbs, PRC (err PRA)?

I don't have *a* preferred metric. Lincecum is first among equals cuz he had an unluckier BABIP than Carpenter and 10.42 K/9. Good nuff.

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http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2009/11/19/ba-giants19_052__0500863649.jpg

i would smoke so much weed with timmy

snape kills dumbledore

http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20091026/425.precious.carey.mariah.lc.102309.jpg

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Buck Martinez on ESPN 101: "I worked with Keith Law in Toronto and he doesn't have a grip on anything." Is that, like, a shot?

http://twitter.com/miklasz/status/5891968780

Buck Martinez!

What the hell, Bernie Miklasz likes Animal Collective?

but unlike Buck, Law can still show is face in Toronto.

http://www.101espn.com/post/26682_the_fast_lane_show_note_thursday_111909

law explains, condescends, gets yelled @ in 3rd clip

(i am fine with lincecum but law is pretty wtf) (bernie has pretty good taste in general)

sports talk nimrods don't get condescended to enough

klaw's a dickhead but he always backs his arguments up soooo

haha i didnt even realize d'marco farr was a drivetime radio guy now. makes sense, he's gabby and was on the last good rams teams.

sports talk radio is 97% 'tards

http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/Lily_Tomlin%20-%2006%20-%20A_Prairie_Home_Companion.jpg

gawd klaw is such a prick. if i ever see him in the fresh pond whole foods it's on.

vazquez's k/bb numbers this year were pretty incredible (haren too)

BBWAA increases Cy ballot to 5 spots!

http://bases.nbcsports.com/2009/12/bbwaa-changes-cy-young-ballot-adds-forman.html.php

thank god -- now they can keep that goddamn hippie from winning the cy