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Murray Chass, NY Times:


I receive a daily e-mail message from Baseball Prospectus, an electronic publication filled with articles and information about statistics, mostly statistics that only stats mongers can love.

To me, VORP epitomized the new-age nonsense. For the longest time, I had no idea what VORP meant and didn’t care enough to go to any great lengths to find out. I asked some colleagues whose work I respect, and they didn’t know what it meant either.

Finally, not long ago, I came across VORP spelled out. It stands for value over replacement player. How thrilling. How absurd. Value over replacement player. Don’t ask what it means. I don’t know.

I suppose that if stats mongers want to sit at their computers and play with these things all day long, that’s their prerogative. But their attempt to introduce these new-age statistics into the game threatens to undermine most fans’ enjoyment of baseball and the human factor therein.

People play baseball. Numbers don’t.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

February 27, 2007, 08:27 PM ET
An Open Letter to Murray Chass


by Nate Silver

Hi, Murray.

I write to you as one baseball fan to another. There are only a few of us who are fortunate enough to have turned our love for baseball into a career. We are both in that lucky group. That’s why I was disappointed to read the following in your column today.

I suppose that if stats mongers want to sit at their computers and play with these things all day long, that’s their prerogative. But their attempt to introduce these new-age statistics into the game threatens to undermine most fans’ enjoyment of baseball and the human factor therein.

Fans today have a lot of choices about how they consume baseball in general, and their baseball media in particular. Baseball Prospectus’ mission is to provide them with an informed and independent perspective that helps to accentuate their enjoyment of the game.

I am not sure whether you have made a habit of clicking on those links in our daily newsletter, but if you do, you will find that we are talking about many of the same things that you are. We’re talking about how the Oakland A’s can win the World Series, how the Veterans’ Committee is doing a poor job of recognizing the contributions of players like Ron Santo, and how recent moves in the baseball industry are shoving baseball’s most devoted fans aside.

Sometimes, our arguments involve statistical analysis and sometimes they do not. To the extent that we use statistics, we look at them as part of the puzzle rather than the whole picture. We do, however, try and ensure that where statistics are used, they are used correctly. We have argued, for example, that the writers who selected Justin Morneau over Derek Jeter in the American League MVP balloting made a mistake not because they didn’t use statistics, but because they used statistics in the wrong way. They focused on Morneau’s RBI total, while ignoring that Jeter did a far superior job of getting on base, plays a much more difficult defensive position — and actually did a better job than Morneau of knocking runners in from scoring position when he had the opportunities.

We have found that millions of baseball fans appreciate our perspective on issues like these. At worst, we hope to offer them a choice. At best, we hope to increase the caliber of baseball discussion, and to give them another way to love and enjoy the game.

I would personally invite you to attend one of the events on our book tour, to appear on Baseball Prospectus Radio, or to participate in a baseball prospectus chat. I think you will be pleasantly surprised by how much you have in common with our readers. We are all baseball fans first, and we come carrying neither agendas nor pocket protectors. Alternatively, I am in New York frequently, and would invite you to attend a Yankees or Mets game with me. You have done a lot for the game of baseball and it would be a pleasure to meet you. I hope that your comments today reflected nothing more than a lack of familiarity with our people and our product.

Sincerely,

Nate Silver
Executive Vice President
Baseball Prospectus

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=233

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

aaw

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Thursday, 1 March 2007 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

PS - EAT A DICK OLD MAN

David R., Thursday, 1 March 2007 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

For more Chass laffs, see here

That's totally gonna be illegal, isn't it.

G00blar, Thursday, 1 March 2007 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

To wit:
If a fan doesn’t want to get bogged down in the minutia of VORP or OPS or equivalent averages, that’s all well and good; I loved watching baseball in the days when I couldn’t identify a breaking ball from high and tight heat. But if it was my job to watch baseball games and then inform the public about these very same games, I’d sure as shit make sure I knew everything I could about the sport, regardless of what language I used to write about what was taking place on the field.

G00blar, Thursday, 1 March 2007 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

Seth & Murray are cruising for a hatefuck. WRAP IT TIGHT YO.

David R., Thursday, 1 March 2007 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

I think Chass might have him 'taken care of.'

G00blar, Thursday, 1 March 2007 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

and Jay Jaffe too?

NY Times columnist Murray Chass went out like a bitch today, with an anti-intellectual screed that called BP out by name, claming that new-age statistics were undermining most fans' enjoyment of baseball. It's codgerism of the worst kind, where somebody says "I don't understand this, therefore it's useless. Kids these days! Now, where did I put my pants?"

Chass is a Spink honoree, but I'm through explaining to younger generations of readers why that is. They can judge him on his halcion-dazed ravings and know-nothing attitude. It's a dark day for baseball.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

...At length here.

G00blar, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 21:31 (nineteen years ago)


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j.q higgins, Thursday, 8 March 2007 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

Steve Phillips on why no one should ever get Rule 5 drafted without paying the appropriate "minor league dues":

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/columns/story?columnist=phillips_steve&id=2792089

Alex in SF, Friday, 9 March 2007 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
So how long has the Mets booth team of Gary Cohen, Keith & Ron been overrated? Some prime "stathead" bashing yesterday. LoDuca 'moves' Reyes to third on a 4-3 grounder with NO OUT IN THE FIFTH, tie game yesterday. (In the 8th, OK.) Next inning, Cohen says the statheads "will tell you that's a bad play -- and it's not. It gave the Mets the lead." (That lasted til Ryan H hit a 3-run HR.) Darling chimes in that the stat monkeys should "stay in their laboratory." Follow with Keith & Ron talking about how LoDuca "is a winner," stir, bake at 350 degrees, etc.

Let's all email Cohen a recommm to read Weaver on Strategy -- what a stathead HE was!

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

Asking 2 ex-players to recognize how & where productive outs make sense is asking a bit much. And if you're going to harp on one of the best play-by-play guys in the game BAR NONE because of a little trad thinking, then you are truly beyond hope.

David R., Tuesday, 10 April 2007 13:39 (eighteen years ago)

Well it's not like he was bunting (which would have been a bad play). If he was swinging, I'm sure a grounder to 2nd was not the desired result, though it also wasn't the worst result.

I think the failure of understanding is that at no point do you REALLY want to ground to second, right?

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

besides, it not's like you have to suffer through the insightful commentary of the jewel of the color commentariat, buck martinez!

ugh.

j.q higgins, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:05 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

No, Cohen's point was that Lo Duca hit a very intentional grounder to the right side. "Sacrificed himself," etc.

Dave, I recognize that Cohen is generally excellent, but he was just dead wrong this time. He's got to grasp Weaver's "Playing for one run means you'll get one run," etc. Cohen also said "Statistics are important, but sometimes you have to watch the game." It's not harping to recognize that as Murray Chass-level bullshit.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

ie, that people who do stat analysis DON'T watch the game, or they would be able to infallibly memorize everything that happens like Murray Chass apparently does.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:09 (eighteen years ago)

(The home of) Murray Chass contains multitudes (of abacuses).

OK, I gotcha - I just tend to give the guys I like a little more leeway when it comes to dumbass stuff. LoDuca hitting it to the right side isn't the worst thing - at the very least, you want to move the runner over in that situation. The stat stuff ... well, maybe GC shd stop tooting off of Keith's spoon.

Note to Willie: MOVE WRIGHT UP TO 2 NOW PLZ

David R., Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

but a #2 hitter has to SACRIFICE HIMSELF! as opposed to, y'know, giving you a big fucking inning.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:26 (eighteen years ago)

Jay Bell would be so proud of you. :)

David R., Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

x-post I think we're saying the same thing. If Cohen's point is that Lo Duca was doing the good no. 2 hitter thing and giving himself up 4-3 then that's moderately dumb. To parlay this, of all plays, into an anti-stats bitch session is just weird.

This really seems to be the year of statheads v. traditionalists so far.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

Chass threw down the gauntlet (so no one would slap him with it).

David R., Tuesday, 10 April 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

I love how Morbius just will not quit complaining about a #2 hitter with a .433 OBP this season and who had the 4th highest OBP on the 2006 squad (higher than the #1 lead off guy!).

Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

Dude, again for the umpteenth time, it's called SMALL SAMPLE SIZE. Also, LoDuca's OBP last year was the 3rdd highest of his career (& 13 points higher than his career mark).

David R., Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

For the umpteenth time, why would you complain about a guy who's GETTING ON BASE AND HITTING THE BALL AND SCORING RUNS?

Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

oh shastapaws, "this season"

Let's check those numbers in August.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

in other words: wait til he actually starts downtrending before bitching and moaning please!

Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

(you guys would make bad investors).

Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

Whattya mean WOULD?

Don't Captain Bigheart's current numbers make the instance of him giving up an out in a 5th-inning tie that much MORE stupid?

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

I mean, I was complaing about him not swinging for the alleys!

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

Wait, I'm still not getting this. Who says he deliberately gave up an out, beyond Glen Cohen? I didn't see the game or anything, so maybe I'm missing something. Lo Duca bats lefty, I think. So at most he may have tried to pull the ball a little harder. Doesn't mean an out was the desired result--there's always a chance that the grounder will get through or he'll hit it on a line.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

well yeah, but he presumably was hitting to the right side so that Reyes wd advance if it didn't get through.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

Oh my god.

Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

^apparently they smoke more than crabs in Ballimor^

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

i'm sorry, why is that dumb ass media? it doesn't say they'll be awesome or even very good, but that the current system allows very mediocre teams to sneak in and do some damage.

j.q higgins, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

If they can finish ahead of anyone but TB -- and that's no sure thing -- it'll be news.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

Also the argument goes like this: St. Louis didn't win that many games last year and they won the World Series. All Baltimore needs to do is win that many games and they will win the World Series too...DESPITE THE FACT that the Orioles play in a division that also contains NYY and BOS; DESPITE THE FACT that he is using tiny sample sizes to show how 'see we're as good as the Cardinals so far); DESPITE THE FACT that he is massively overrating the Orioles' batting and pitching; I guess he's OTM.

For what it's worth, I also don't like the idea of someone slagging his "own" team for not being the 1927 Yankees or whatever, even though they are in fact improving -- I have Markakis and Cabrera on several fantasy teams, and I'm starting to see holes in Toronto that I didn't see before....

Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

plus, y'know, Brewers fan -- dammit if you're going to root for a team ROOT FOR THEM, don't write an article about how baseball sucks and your team sucks even though they're apparently going to win the world series on Tejada-back

Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

Also the argument goes like this: St. Louis didn't win that many games last year and they won the World Series. All Baltimore needs to do is win that many games and they will win the World Series too...DESPITE THE FACT that the Orioles play in a division that also contains NYY and BOS; DESPITE THE FACT that he is using tiny sample sizes to show how 'see we're as good as the Cardinals so far); DESPITE THE FACT that he is massively overrating the Orioles' batting and pitching; I guess he's OTM.


yeah, i don't read it like that at all.

1) i don't think he's actually saying the o's will win the world series, but the way things are these days, it's a scary possibility

2) scary, b/c the o's are building something and a lucky win will hinder positive development of dudes like, markakis, bedard, loewen and encourage signings like payton, millar, wrigh & trax.

3) i don't see how he's overrating the pitching and hitting by seeing that their success or failure rides on the backs of the young pitchers and tejada.

I have Markakis and Cabrera on several fantasy teams, and I'm starting to see holes in Toronto that I didn't see before....


i agree. bedard is a good pickup for sure and loewen is probably even a decent pick in larger league.

anyways...

j.q higgins, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

predicting a playoff berth for the orioles in the AL East = drastically overrating the pitching and hitting IMO. but it would make me very happy if they managed to pull it off, so go o's.

Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

(beat new york)

David R., Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

Then again, the Boston Red Sox are a third-place team that signed J.D. Drew in the hopes of improving. The Yankees went a week without a pitcher lasting more than five innings. The Blue Jays haven't put together two good years in a row since the wild card was invented. Sometimes, good teams have bad luck. It's not inconceivable that two of those teams—and a few more in the Central and West—could sag to the 83-win level. If that happens, Baltimore fans could be looking at a contender. I'd rather be looking at a good team.


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hardly a prediction. i dont't think it's vastly overrating almost any mlb team to say "if everything breaks right, they could make the playoffs."

j.q higgins, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

Holy shit folks need to stop Plaschke-ing all over JD!

David R., Wednesday, 11 April 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

JD Drew is gonna shut this crazyass mofo up when he turns Camden inside-out.

Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

1) we'll see.

2) it's not like he was all talking bad about your boy.

j.q higgins, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:47 (eighteen years ago)

Ya think higgy? Sounds pretty contemptible to me!

Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)

by "your boy" i meant matsuzaka. he's clearly intending to needle drew, and if you really wanted to be technical, you could say he's slighting matsuzaka by not including him as an improvement.

contemptible is a little extreme, though, i think...not unlike my favorite band and style of soft drink.

listen, i'm not saying this dude is shirley povich, but i generally think of this thread as the province of baseball tonight and other flat earthers. i think his main point is basically a defensible one.

j.q higgins, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

Don't get me wrong, I would love more than anything else this article to become true. Could Bawmore be this years Angels, Tigers, White Sox, Cards... maybe. But he's basically saying "all things equal we have a 1-30 chance" after a week of the season, let's see what he has to say in a few months.

Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:50 (eighteen years ago)

Tragic day
By Terry Bowden, Yahoo! Sports

"Unlike sports talk radio, there are no answers. Hell, everybody has the answers when it comes to sports, but nobody has the slightest idea why something as senseless as this has to happen.

Maybe we all need to redirect our focus a little bit. Maybe we need to spend less time wondering why so many athletes have guns and more time wondering why we have so many guns in the first place. Maybe we need to spend less time worrying about the violence in a hockey game and more time worrying about the violence in a video game."

bnw, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

Terry was SO CLOSE. SO SO CLOSE.

David R., Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

And where does this leave Blades of Steel?

http://www.nesplayer.com/flash/bosfight.gif

bnw, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:58 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
ROYALS TO GET A TASTE OF ANGELS' COLON

G00blar, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

oh my little baby jesus

Dimension 5ive, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

IS there anyone in MLB that we could substitute Colon with to make that any more wrong?

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Friday, 4 May 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

ROYALS TO GET A TASTE OF DIAMONDBACKS' JOHNSON
ROYALS TO GET A TASTE OF YANKEES' WANG

hmmm close

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Friday, 4 May 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

three months pass...

Amid the press frenzy over Bonds’ unnatural bulk, the true role of the object on his right arm has simply gone unnoticed.

This is unfortunate, because by my estimate, Bonds’ front arm “armor” may have contributed no fewer than 75 to 100 home runs to his already steroid-questionable total.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003621797

Dr Morbius, Monday, 6 August 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

o come on, that guy is a well-known illustratur who has studied the device closely by looking at photographs!

mizzell, Monday, 6 August 2007 21:30 (eighteen years ago)

Jerry Green asks, What ever happened to hitting homers for the team?

Bonds played on one pennant winner in his 21-plus seasons. The Giants lost that World Series. But Bonds hit four home runs -- for the loser. His Pirates and Giants went 2-7 in various postseason ventures. Barry Bonds has hit more home runs than any other athlete in 131 years of Major League Baseball. But he is tied with thousands and thousands of lesser athletes in total World Series victories: 0. Zero, zilch.

Andy K, Monday, 20 August 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

It gets better:

Therefore, the current hot debate with the Tigers competing in New York this weekend is the American League's most valuable player competition.

A-Rod is being championed as the shoo-in for the MVP. He leads MLB in home runs and RBIs.

There is this bit of news for the great unwashed:

Magglio Ordonez hits home runs that win ball games. He hits singles and doubles that contribute to winning ball games. He hit a home run last October that won a pennant and sent his team into the World Series.

Ordonez happens to be immeasurably more valuable to his team than A-Rod is with all his fluff and flourishes, flubs and superfluous home runs.

But Ordonez happens to play for a team from the other side of America's great divide -- the Hudson River. The Detroit side.

Andy K, Monday, 20 August 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

Am I on the Detroit side? I can't figure out these new fucking maps at all??!?!?

Alex in SF, Monday, 20 August 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

lol. i love mags, but dude went like 3-for-16 against the yankees this past weekend...

hstencil, Monday, 20 August 2007 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

Green conveniently left out World Series champion Frank Thomas in the roll call of prolifically homering underachievers.

Saying Ordonez hit a home run that won a pennant (in a sweep) is a bit of a stretch. It's even sillier to bring it up in an argument about an MVP race the year after.

Andy K, Monday, 20 August 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.thestamfordtimes.com/stamford_templates/stamford_story/314267280850556.php

My disinterest in baseball as a kid has lasted all my life. I'm still not interested in the game. I don't watch it on television or follow it in the newspaper. I know all about Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig, but today's baseball stars are all guys named Rodriguez to me. They're apparently very good but they haven't caught my interest. I also think baseball needs some rules changes, too. For example, the player who starts the game as pitcher should have to play all nine innings without a substitution. A pitcher hardly ever plays more than a few innings and then the manager replaces him with someone who isn't as good. I think baseball managers dominate the games more than the players do and more than coaches do in other sports.

govern yourself accordingly, Thursday, 23 August 2007 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

I'M NOT INTERESTED IN BASEBALL AND I'VE NEVER BEEN INTERESTED IN BASEBALL. PLEASE CHANGE BASEBALL SO I AM MORE INTERESTED. ALSO KILL ALL PEOPLE NAMED RODRIGUEZ. THANKS BYE!

Alex in SF, Thursday, 23 August 2007 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

that being by Andy Rooney totally kills the fun :(

bnw, Thursday, 23 August 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Tyler Kepner's NYT lead is a prime example of why I'm rooting for a LAA-Indians ALCS:

"There are two other teams that will make the American League playoffs, because that is what the rules say. But on nights like this, the Yankees and the Boston Red Sox seem to be the only bodies in the baseball universe. Everything revolves around them."

Dr Morbius, Monday, 17 September 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

Get the MVP vehicle booster seat ready for Chone.

Andy K, Monday, 17 September 2007 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

u mad! West Coast AND on team w/ Vlad?

Dr Morbius, Monday, 17 September 2007 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

Not mad in the least! I love Desmond DeChone "Chone" Figgins.

Andy K, Monday, 17 September 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

CNNSI's Peter King:

Never a good idea to pitch to Derek Jeter if you could pitch to Bobby Abreu instead. I don't care what the stats say. Ask Curt Schilling if, with first base open, he'll ever want to pitch to the best player of my lifetime again.

polyphonic, Monday, 17 September 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)

Haha PETER KING is not young either which makes it a double whammy of ignorance!

Alex in SF, Monday, 17 September 2007 17:51 (eighteen years ago)

Curt Schilling, would you ever want to pitch again, with first base open, to the best player of Peter King's lifetime?

Andy K, Monday, 17 September 2007 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

what was Bonds doing in Boston?

Dr Morbius, Monday, 17 September 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)

steroids, lol.

Leee, Monday, 17 September 2007 19:37 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

chip caray is just fucking awful. really. i would rather listen to sterling & waldman.

mookieproof, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 03:03 (eighteen years ago)

Caray does not distinguish a go-ahead run from a winning run
this was driving me crazy

mizzell, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

THANK YOU.

That attitude led him on Sunday, after Rodriguez’s first hit of the series, to say, “And here come the Yankees!” A-Rod went back to the bench on Jorge Posada’s double play.

After Damon’s run-scoring single in the third, he said, “And here they come!”

No, they didn’t: Jeter promptly grounded into a double play.

Andy K, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah he was terrible. Easily the worst of the four TBS teams, I thought.

polyphonic, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:01 (eighteen years ago)

William Rhoden asks, Are the Red Sox Ready to Become the Yankees?

With the Yankees’ empire in decline, the implications for Boston are significant and perhaps terrifying. The Red Sox could sign Alex Rodriguez, and he and pitcher Josh Beckett could be anchors of a Boston dynasty.

The possibility is there for the spending: no more just missing the brass ring, but rather grabbing that ring season after season. But does Red Sox Nation really want to do this?

Yeah, 'cause the Yankees' strategy of acquiring A-Rod to be the anchor of a dynasty really paid off in championships.

G00blar, Sunday, 21 October 2007 21:50 (eighteen years ago)

(not knocking arod's value, just the idea that one guy wins championships/free agent supremacy leads to baseball supremacy)

G00blar, Sunday, 21 October 2007 21:52 (eighteen years ago)

I'm reading Rhoden as saying they'll have the goal of a WS every year, not that they'll win it.

(and they are already 'the Yankees,' btw)

Dr Morbius, Monday, 22 October 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

boston sort of has a dynasty already dudes

Tracer Hand, Monday, 22 October 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

2 pennants in 4 years, not quite yet

Dr Morbius, Monday, 22 October 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

(also, 4 postseason appearances in 8 years)

Dr Morbius, Monday, 22 October 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

Agreed and agreed...but

Boston may or may not be ready to take the leap and become baseball’s Attila by treating the off-season like a shopping spree, snapping up the best free agents, assembling all-star teams and beginning the season with a “World Series or bust” mentality.

What annoys me is that, if he's talking generally about having lots of cash and not being shy about spending it, Rhoden ignores the fact that Boston has been doing this for some time now. And if he's specifically talking about a chance to "buy championships"--that is, by depending on free agent signings to "assemble all-star teams", well then he's missing out on what half the gms in the game seem to already understand--that the secret of the baseball success has more to do with a homegrown core of cheap talent than big free agent buys.

G00blar, Monday, 22 October 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

lol this selena roberts piece so packed w/ 1/2 ass insinuations

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/22/sports/baseball/22roberts.html

jhøshea, Monday, 22 October 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

Anyone read this Borasssssss article in the NYer yet? LOL:

This spring, he mailed a letter to Commissioner Selig, in which he outlined a proposal to alter the format of the game’s most sacred ritual, the World Series. Why not make it nine games, instead of seven, he argued, and hold those extra two games—the first two games—at a neutral site? Cities all over the nation, or even the world, could compete for the honor of playing host, as with the Olympics. “It’s a fact that our game needs a forum that’s akin to the Super Bowl,” Boras explained to me not long after he’d sent the letter. “People don’t go to the Super Bowl for the game. Most Super Bowl games are not competitive, or good games. They go there for the event. They go there for the three-day weekend.” He described a vision of “corporate hospitality,” including a “gala, like the Oscars,” during which the M.V.P. and Cy Young awards, among others, would be announced, with all the finalists present and on view, and presumably walking the red carpet in sponsored menswear. Who could argue against such a change? It would mean more money for the owners, more “marketable content” for the media to broadcast, more attention for the stars—more everything.

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:45 (eighteen years ago)

That would be so shitty.

polyphonic, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 04:30 (eighteen years ago)

Sponsored menswear can take a hike as long as we get an all-October best of nine and retain "Steal a Base, Steal a Taco" (though "Hit a Home Run, Plate a Taco [or whatever they called it last year] must be reinstated whenever a Weaver is in a WS).

Andy K, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 07:54 (eighteen years ago)


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