JOSH HAMILTON IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE MAJORS AND MAY BE BASEBALL'S BEST ALL-AROUND TALENT SINCE MICKEY MANTLE

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('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 18:50 (fifteen years ago)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/tom_verducci/08/17/josh.hamilton/index.html?eref=sihp

('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 18:50 (fifteen years ago)

It's a(nother) lousy night to be an atheist.

Andy K, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 18:58 (fifteen years ago)

he is likely the AL MVP tho

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 19:00 (fifteen years ago)

almost no doubt

('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 19:00 (fifteen years ago)

Yes, and "nothing more than a breathtaking comet for the moment."

Andy K, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 19:01 (fifteen years ago)

kind of ironic who sober Cabrera got bested by.

sanskrit, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 21:38 (fifteen years ago)

I've been rootin for JH since those photos of the girls doing jello shots off his belly

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 21:45 (fifteen years ago)

Cabrera has twice as many walks /shasta

bnw, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 22:25 (fifteen years ago)

and fewer lame flame tattoos

a cross between lily allen and fetal alcohol syndrome (milo z), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 22:34 (fifteen years ago)

iirc joe maddon walked him with the bases loaded back in '08

ciderpress, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 22:47 (fifteen years ago)

Kind of feel bad for Tampa. Why couldn't he have decided to not be a fuck up one year earlier?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 23:11 (fifteen years ago)

what would jesus approve of?

_▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 23:51 (fifteen years ago)

Love love love Josh Ham

Saw him hit a homer from behind home plate this year -- shit was O_O

be my anchor baby (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 00:25 (fifteen years ago)

29, currently enjoying his second great year. I realize covers are supposed to be dramatic, but this is kind of silly. Not least of all in a year where Pujols is maybe closer than ever to a Triple Crown (if he can just get by the other guy chasing one simultaneously).

clemenza, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 00:35 (fifteen years ago)

Is Hamilton really having that much better a year than Cabrera?

earlnash, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 04:59 (fifteen years ago)

VOTTO ALL THA WAY

oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 05:17 (fifteen years ago)

Hamilton is a much better defensive player than Cabrera.

no gut busting joke can change history (polyphonic), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 06:51 (fifteen years ago)

I thought this was the year of the pitcher, guys.

Andy K, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 10:23 (fifteen years ago)

I was so fixated on the first half of Verducci's provocation, I hadn't even begun to contemplate the second half. "All-around talent"'s kind of difficult to measure in the abstract, but if you get really boring and measure it in on-field accomplishment, let's see...He must mean since the Mantle of the mid-'50s, so start there. You've got Mays and Aaron through the '60s--they were pretty well-rounded. Joe Morgan in the mid-'70s. Dominant decades by Rickey Henderson and Mike Schmidt. Griffey, and pre-PED Bonds and A-Rod. Pujols for 10 years running. Those are the easy ones. I'm being far too literal, I know; it's a magazine cover. But again, this is monumentally silly.

clemenza, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 13:23 (fifteen years ago)

hard to make a case for hamilton being the best player in mlb unless you can somehow support the claim that he's actually a .350 hitter now and not a .300 hitter having a spike year in batting average.

he's definitely the AL MVP at this point but don't go make him your #1 fantasy pick next year or anything

ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 13:55 (fifteen years ago)

I think he meant Caucasian non-mustached all-around talent.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 15:34 (fifteen years ago)

votto didn't grow a mustache did he?

ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 15:37 (fifteen years ago)

Joey Votto is the best "All Around Talent" since Mickey Mantle doesn't have much of a ring to it.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 15:42 (fifteen years ago)

well - it could be phrased a bit differently.

oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 15:48 (fifteen years ago)

like "Votto rulez yr face" or some such.

oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 15:49 (fifteen years ago)

"Joey Votto rulez face best since Mantle fucknerdz!"

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 15:51 (fifteen years ago)

Stealing from The Simpsons: "My name is Joey Votto, and I love to get blotto!"

clemenza, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 15:52 (fifteen years ago)

"My name is Joey Vott-o and i love to hit tac-os!"

oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 17:45 (fifteen years ago)

really would be a travesty if josh ham beat out miggy for the al mvp

rangers had vladdy hitting out of his mind for half the season, plus nelson cruz

if you replaced miggy with, like, billy butler, the tigers would be one of the five worst teams in the AL

be my anchor baby (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 August 2010 06:27 (fifteen years ago)

you do realize the tigers have the fifth worst winning percentage in the AL

('_') (omar little), Thursday, 19 August 2010 06:30 (fifteen years ago)

haha, i actually did not realize that

be my anchor baby (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 August 2010 06:32 (fifteen years ago)

so make that one of the three worst teams in the AL

be my anchor baby (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 August 2010 06:32 (fifteen years ago)

line up is honestly a war crime

be my anchor baby (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 August 2010 06:32 (fifteen years ago)

i think miggy and hamilton and pretty much neck and neck, w/the exact same number of XBH and a higher BA from ham and more walks more miggy. there's really no one else even close. i figure they'll go 1-2, barring some injury or huge slump. joe mauer for #3, i assume, he's been playing out of his mind since the break.

('_') (omar little), Thursday, 19 August 2010 06:35 (fifteen years ago)

cano, beltre(!), bautista might place kinda high too.

('_') (omar little), Thursday, 19 August 2010 06:36 (fifteen years ago)

i bet cano gets #3

wonder if longo gets in there too if the rays win the division

be my anchor baby (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 August 2010 06:37 (fifteen years ago)

in the nl it'll be pujols again, i think. triple crown watch: tied for the league lead in HR, on top (by 6) in rbi, 10 percentage points (.315) behind polanco (.325) for BA, trailing votto (.324), c gonzalez (.320), and prado (.318)

('_') (omar little), Thursday, 19 August 2010 06:40 (fifteen years ago)

dropping beltre from fantasy league this year in early may was alltime dumbass move

buzza, Thursday, 19 August 2010 06:50 (fifteen years ago)

fangraphs has hamilton with a runaway lead in WAR, bbref has a closer race with cano, longo, and cabrera ahead of hamilton

ciderpress, Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:26 (fifteen years ago)

I think Votto will definitely win if the Reds stay ahead of St. Louis, and may even win if the Cardinals just edge them out--not that he should, but that he will. James wrote something a long time ago, having to do with the Ripken/Murray MVP race of '83, that writers are more inclined to go with a guy who exceeds expectations over a guy who does exactly what he's supposed to (another example that comes to mind: Kent over Bonds in whatever year that was). He then went on to argue that the writers have it backwards, that doing exactly what you're supposed to is more valuable to the team than the guy who surprises.

clemenza, Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:34 (fifteen years ago)

Obviously that all goes out the window if Pujols does win the Triple Crown.

clemenza, Thursday, 19 August 2010 14:35 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/article/the_greatness_or_not_of_josh_hamilton/

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 August 2010 11:29 (fifteen years ago)

Posnanski:

http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2010/08/18/getting-started-on-josh-hamilton/

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 August 2010 22:42 (fifteen years ago)

Posnanski posted the same piece on CNNSI.com last week. Very good.

There's a Toronto writer, Steve Simmons, who Thinwall and NoTime may know. (Not sure if they're just Jays fans, or actually in Toronto.) When I read Verducci's original piece, I was immediately reminded of something Simmons wrote about Vernon Wells in one of his 2003 columns, right in the midst of Wells's career year. I remember Simmons' comment well because I sent the paper an e-mail in response. I still have it in my sent folder, so I'll just cut-and-paste the whole thing:

I generally like Steve Simmons fine, so it was surprising to see him so caught up in the Jays' recent success that he's ready to proclaim the imminent arrival of Vernon Wells as the "greatest player ever to work for the Blue Jays. And that includes Roberto Alomar." In December of this year, Wells (a centre fielder) will turn 25; he'll have two good seasons, about 400 hits and 60 home runs, and possibly one postseason appearance on his resume. At the same age, Alomar (a second baseman) had almost 1,000 hits, 40 home runs, two gold gloves, two All-Star games, two Top-10 MVP finishes, one ALCS MVP award, and one World Series win on his, and he was on the verge of winning a second. Sometime in the next three seasons Alomar will get his 3,000th hit, and somewhere down the road he'll be a first-ballot Hall of Famer. Wells, if he stays around, will be what Lloyd Moseby was--a good career Jay, nothing more and nothing less. The comparison is absurd.

I was wrong about the 3,000 hits, and a little wrong about the first-ballot HOF prediction. But you didn't have to be especially perceptive to see how far ahead of himself Simmons was getting. Something that seems equally clear with regards to Verducci.

clemenza, Saturday, 28 August 2010 22:21 (fifteen years ago)


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