Would YOU rent Greinke? 2012 trade deadline thread

The Jays and Astros just made a 10-player deal, so I guess it's, um, on.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8183819/toronto-blue-jays-send-francisco-cordero-houston-astros-10-player-deal

What a strange trade!

Anytime you're in last place and can make a trade for a 37-year old closer with a 5.77 ERA, you have to do it.

jonathan sanchez, back in the nl west

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/rockies-royals-swap-guthrie-sanchez.html

hv seen J Broxton to Mets rumor

Sanchez getting DFA'd while Cabrera wins the NL MVP for the All-star game in KC was probably the most "Kansas City Royals" moment of all time, and there's a lot of competition there

Dempster to ATL

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/7/17/3165977/ryan-dempster-trade-rumors

still unclear that it's final, it seems

Hanging on Dempster's approval, it seems.

*UPDATE* According to a MLBNetwork reporter live from PNC park (missed the reporter’s name) Dempster has said “he has some things to think about” but wouldn’t confirm anything else other than “his phone blew up when he awoke from a nap.”

Well the Reds and the Pirates probably won't go or get Greinke, as they really don't need starting pitching.

Reds badly need to find a preferably left handed hitting pinch-hitter bench bat/sub player like Greg Dobbs. They are freakin' hurting with their bench. Dobbs would be perfect as he can play third, first and outfield some.

Willie Harris 5-44 .114
Mike Constanzo 1-18 .056
Miguel Cairo 11-75 .147

Wilson Valdez has been pretty decent by comparison (not reality) and he started just as cold 22-90 .244.

Tigers acquire "Uggla man, why you treat me like" Anibal Sanchez, reacquire Omar Infante.

...for "Jacob Turner plus"...

Huh.

sure looking like a seller's market.. the names in the miami and chicago deals are pretty solid prospects in exchange for rentals..

@pgammo
1st draft pick deal:A Sanchez, Infante and comp balance pick for Jacob Turner, Rob Brantly, , Brian Flynn and Det. comp pick. Fascinating

This is what the Tigers' second basemen have produced: .201/.286/.276

The Yankees have acquired Ichiro Suzuki for RHPs DJ Mitchell and Danny Fahrquar, a source said.

Yeah wow.

‏@JackCurryYES
The Yankees have acquired Ichiro Suzuki for RHPs DJ Mitchell and Danny Fahrquar, a source said. Yanks also get undisclosed cash in deal.

NOW WE ARE ROLLING

Ichiro Suzuki, 2012: .288 OBP .353 SLG
Darnell McDonald, 2012: .297 OBP .352 SLG

@LookoutLanding
wait what

Here is a guy who has "CHANGE OF SCENERY GUY" written all over him.

That was a Harold Reynolds impersonation.

holy balls

noooo

That's a shock. I've almost thrown up a post about Ichiro numerous times this season on the need-to-retire thread.

Wonder if he'll be playing tonight at Safeco.

What???? I figured Ichiro was nearly untradeable (= he didn't want to leave Seattle, and the owners are to loyal to him and their Japanese fans).

Yankees only paying 2.5 mil

And Ichiro requested a trade

@jimcaple
Despite trade to NY, should be familiar scene in Seattle. Ichiro playing baseball and not talking to the Mariners players.

@StoneLarry
Ichiro: "I'm going from a team having the most losses to the team with the most wins. It's hard to maintain my excitement in that regard"

Hitting eighth and presumably clean-shaven tonight.

I'm so glad they traded him. Finally.

Also, first comment from a local fan on sports radio after the announcement

Caller: YEAAAHHH

just saw a Jay Buhner quote in the Sunday NYT about M's re-signing Ichiro for big money at 3 years: "I would vomit."

So yeah, likely washed-up singles hitter.

Guy with an awesome career and awesome skills suddenly on the Yanks when they're contending for a pennant.

more like declining future HOFer

as opposed to washed-up singles hitter

though the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive, i reckon?

good for ichiro! i'm sure he's eager to win a world series before he retires. bad for the yankees, though. .288 OBP, OUCH

though the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive, i reckon?

yeah, he's like Pete Rose w/out the felonies.

Ichiro playing and batting eighth--gotta be a first.

No offense to Ichiro as he has had a great career, Pete even at age 45 never had a .288 OBP. He hit .325 at age 40.

ichiro's value right now is primarily defense and base stealing, and he's pretty superior at both even now which may account for his decent BBR WAR numbers, projecting him to about a 3.0 over the full season iirc.

Singles in first AB.

Stolen base.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBxUOLqr-gA

HA!!

whoa

Ryan Roberts DFA'd

Hanley, Pence being shopped, they say

Lackey and Crawford are recovering from Tommy John surgery ... Tommy John played for the Dodgers ... it's starting to make sense!

deal done with $12 million going back to lad over 6 years

He’s still a solid .300 hitter who delivers with men in scoring position, but he’s simply not a winner. With the Padres in 2010 and the Red Sox in 2011, Gonzalez was part of two of the biggest folds in big league history. Now we have the Sox train wreck of 2012. It’s hard to put your finger on it, but watching Gonzalez up close for almost two full seasons, I’m beginning to think there’s a connection.

http://bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/08/25/blockbuster-deal-would-signify-end-failed-era/SeUJKgMWmn7FA39xKTaBBN/story.html

Right the 2011 September where he hit 318/455/518 and the 2010 September where he hit 283/402/446. Can't wait to read the Plaschke analysis.

"simply not a winner" is such bullshit analysis

Well look who is writing it...

In principle the Red Sox would be free to spend again after this trade, but who would sign a long term deal with them after this? Although it's not as if there weren't already enough reasons to avoid Boston -- nearly every big star who played for them over the past twenty years was railroaded out of town in one way or another (except Pedro) (Ortiz is still there so he doesn't count).

players are still going to go to whoever pays them the most 95% of the time

ahaha shaughnessy really brought out the big guns for that one

this trade is so insane from LA's perspective, i can't get over it

i mean, they're actually sending the red sox two top prospects!

i know it's like please take at least 2 fucking millstones from around our necks off our hands.
oh and we'll have a couple of your best prospects too.

i'm sort of happy for crawford but i was also looking forward to lolling at the rest of his career in boston

his time in boston was almost like this disney movie where in his first spring training day with the red sox he accidentally gets hit in the head with a ball and totally forgets how to play baseball. but he doesn't tell anybody and so we see his first season... swinging at every pitch in the dirt, just playing terribly overall but he has to keep this secret inside so everyone wonders about his demeanor. hopefully for LA's sake the part where he gets hit on the head again and everything goes back to normal happens before next season.

hahaha

i would watch that movie btw

ESPN should love this trade, now they will have two LA teams with the best rosters in their divisions to gush about that won't make the playoffs.

me too. i think maybe his first season in LA he's still being affected by his illness but he meets a woman at his first "hollywood party" and he confides in her, thus turning his life and career around

xp

i would nix the woman and go for a little girl with a big heart (and a bigger mouth!). she has a lot of gumption and shows carl how to get his groove back.

Why not both? The girl can be the woman's daughter.

late at night, after a particularly rough outing where crawford forgets to tag up and just runs home on a flyball, ending the game, he roams the misty outfield grass, seemingly alone. but morgan freeman is watching from the stands and he's figured out crawford's secret

But why should a star like Crawford listen to him, you don't know what I'm going through old man. Oh yes I do ... BOY ... and watch who you're talking to because I used to play ball too and if I had a fraction of your talent then I'd be out there busting my ass doing everything humanly possible to make things right.

Sorry, you can't say "ass" in a Disney movie, let's get a mod in here to edit that.

"Why not both? The girl can be the woman's daughter."

I like how you think.

we need to pitch this

official

Now I can say it -- DAAAAMMMNNNN

Pitcher John Lackey already had claimed Beckett's locker

Haha what the ... he's out for the season but is the first one to vulture stuff in the locker room.

and yeah ... DAAAMMMMNNN. I still can't believe this really happened in real life and not in a fantasy baseball league.

http://cantstopthebleeding.com/wordpress/img/2012/08/A1KjQMrCMAA0RSJ.jpg-large.jpeg

@Shredderpunto
Nick Punto

#dodgers doing it first class!

for the dodgers this seems somewhere between okay and catastrophic
meanwhile, can't wait to see who the sox overpay this offseason

I'm guessing that without the two wild card system, the Red Sox don't make this trade, IOW, rebuilding is easier than it used to be because you don't need to win as many games to compete. They were a .500 team for most of the season even with all the injuries and almost nothing from Beckett and Crawford. They could easily add a couple of pieces in the offseason and be a 85-90 win team next year, particularly if Lackey has anything left, De La Rosa contributes, Bard gets straightened out, etc.

was coming here 2 post that pic

we need to pitch this

Morgan Freeman would be good for voiceovers but it needs a Hologram Bernie Mac

bernie negotiating as benjamin cherington, coletti et al is bad santa

bad santa "half" poll

gonzo goes yard in 1st lad ab

for the dodgers this seems somewhere between okay and catastrophic
meanwhile, can't wait to see who the sox overpay this offseason
--frogbs

I can't imagine josh hamilton In boston.. Maybe swisher?

They're probably gonna end up with Delmon Young of all people, it just seems inevitable
I can see them going hard after Grienke though

This was my line of thought too: http://blogs.thescore.com/mlb/2012/08/25/the-financial-fallout-of-the-trade/

Also if Magic & co wins back fans and has a deep postseason drive, could that get them more $$ in the TV contract negotiation?

interesting post! http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/what-were-the-dodgers-alternatives

The Yankees just got the guy from Ratt.

The Dodgers still are looking for another starting pitcher for some reason.

I find it noxious that a big market team like the Dodgers would try to buy themselves a playoff berth.

someone has to be the Stanks of the NL NOW THAT THE pHILTHS ARE IN THE CRAPPER FOR A FEW YEARS

They're perfectly cool with losing the dollars-per-WAR championship.

from the comments of that great fangraphs writeup: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8306109/financial-concern-window-comes-new-dodgers-regime
and i have this bookmarked: http://bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1061155865&position=1

"The Red Sox as the USSR": http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/sportingscene/2012/08/the-red-sox-trade-adrian-gonzalez.html

This is fun!

Hank Steinbrenner as Henry Kissinger ... imposing sourface who wields considerable power but has a habit of leaving behind a big mess
Johnny Damon as Yakov Smirnoff ... the wisecracking "idiot" who switched sides
Manny Ramirez as East Germany ... fell apart completely after the fall of the empire, amazing on-field performer but was later revealed to be hopped up on PED's the whole time

Morbs to thread ... are the Mets Canada or the UK in this scenario, I can't decide.

http://i.imgur.com/9jvyM.jpg

erik bedard released by the pirates; newsday thinks he'd be a great fit for the yanquis

orioles pick up randy wolf for why

given their run differential, the whole thing is run by magic -- maybe randy wolf will be similarly magical

oh no doubt. i wish they waited a day and picked up bedard for sake of ~magical nostalgia~/five straight no-hitters