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obama has enough trouble with an asperger case, avigdor would alpha the fuck out of him every single time

milord z (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 00:10 (ten years ago) link

i believe jews should have the right to pray on the temple mount if they want

Mordy, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 00:15 (ten years ago) link

i know if means nothing but one of this week's terror victims shares the same name as my daughter and it is giving me heartache

Mordy, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 15:57 (ten years ago) link

http://www.timesofisrael.com/tel-aviv-dubbed-worlds-smartest-city/

Mordy, Thursday, 20 November 2014 20:16 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

Intel to spend $550 million in Israel through 2020
http://www.timesofisrael.com/intel-to-spend-550-million-in-israel-through-2020

Mordy, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 15:48 (nine years ago) link

that garbage sodastream story is neatly prefigured by this toaster related stramash at the same university two decades ago instigated by race theorist noel ignatiev

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1992/3/18/no-toaster-subsidy-pito-the-editors/

Enterprise Lesotho (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 22:04 (nine years ago) link

So could it be that Chinese food is a manifestation of Jewish life in America? Lee seems to think so. “I would argue that Chinese food is the ethnic cuisine of American Jews. That, in fact, they identify with it more than they do gefilte fish or all kinds of the Eastern Europe dishes of yore.”

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/why-american-jews-eat-chinese-food-on-christmas/384011/2/

Enterprise Lesotho (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 24 December 2014 03:47 (nine years ago) link

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Mordy, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 03:54 (nine years ago) link

From the early days of Saudi–Wahhabi expansion, the crucial element
was to gain submission to the tenets of Wahhabi Islam among the population,
both sedentary and nomadic. This submission led to the creation
of a quasi-tribal confederation with which to conquer further territories in
the absence of an identifiable ‘Saudi tribal confederation’.

Wahhabism provided a novel impetus for political centralisation. Expansion
by conquest was the only mechanism that would permit the
emirate to rise above the limited confines of a specific settlement. With
the importance of jihad in Wahhabi teachings, conquests of new territories
became possible. The spread of the Wahhabi da wa (call), the purification
of Arabia of unorthodox forms of religiosity and the enforcement of the
shari a among Arabian society were fundamental demands of the Wahhabi
movement. The amir of Diriyyah took the Wahhabi reformer, recently
expelled from Uyaynah, under his wing, and accepted these demands.
Wahhabism impregnated the Saudi leadership with a new force, which
proved to be crucial for the consolidation and expansion of Saudi rule.

Enterprise Lesotho (nakhchivan), Thursday, 25 December 2014 00:34 (nine years ago) link

The historical alliance between the Wahhabi religious reformer and the
ruler of Diriyyah that was sealed in  set the scene for the emergence of
religious emirate in central Arabia. Without Wahhabism, it is highly unlikely
that Diriyyah and its leadership would have assumed much political
significance. There was no tribal confederation to support any expansion
beyond the settlement, and there was also no surplus wealth that would
have allowed Muhammad ibn Saud to assemble a fighting force with which
to conquer other settlements. The settlement itself did not have sufficient
manpower to initiate conquest of other oases or tribal territories.

Enterprise Lesotho (nakhchivan), Thursday, 25 December 2014 02:36 (nine years ago) link

Most accounts of the success of the Saudi–Wahhabi
polity highlight the fact that raids were congruent with
tribal practice, and as such they encouraged tribal confederations to take
part in the expansion of the Saudi–Wahhabi realm with the promise
of material rewards.

However, this emphasis completely overlooks the
spiritual dimension, a strong motivating force behind the eager submission
of some sections of the population who had already been timidly
but persistently trying to develop a spirituality deriving from the sim-
ple and austere message of Wahhabism.

Enterprise Lesotho (nakhchivan), Thursday, 25 December 2014 02:42 (nine years ago) link

Ibn Sa'ud’s indifference towards the Palestinian problem was maintained
until the outbreak of the Second World War. This attitude was summed
up by his famous saying: ‘ahl filis in adra bi shiabiha’ (Palestinians know
better their own valleys).

Enterprise Lesotho (nakhchivan), Friday, 26 December 2014 06:57 (nine years ago) link

four weeks pass...
two weeks pass...

Bruce: I grabbed my copy of David Isby’s “Weapons and Tactics of the Soviet Army” off the shelf and blew the dust off the top. Published in 1981 (London: Jane’s Publishing Co.), it’s the perfect guide to the weapons of this game’s period. There is a separate section on Soviet anti-tank weapons, and covers both first- and second-generation Soviet ATGMs (anti-tank guided missiles). The Malyutka is actually the AT-3 Sagger, a first-generation Soviet ATGM. And right on page 151, there is a section on “Countermeasures.”

Soviet first-generation ATGMs are vulnerable to countermeasures. Many of the countermeasures developed by the Israelis during the 1973 War have been adapted and improved by the US, British and other NATO armies.

Yeah, right? Adapted and improved by the good ol’ US of A! Let’s see what we need to do here.

The Israelis discovered that the best countermeasure against Saggers was to destroy or suppress them using combined-arms tactics. They increased their use of artillery against suitcase Sagger gunners, who were without cover. Reorganised to meet the Sagger threat, Israeli armour units now had an even mix of tanks and armoured personnel carriers mounting at least three machine guns. They would advance in a checkerboard formation, tanks and APCs alternating. If heavy ATGM or RPG fire was encountered, the APCs would lead the advance, spraying suppressive machine gun fire while the tanks supported them with high explosive or blinded the enemy with smoke or white phosphorus. If the advance was halted, the infantry would dismount and clear the Saggers out.

Advancing Israeli armour in the later stages of the 1973 War also used the “Sagger watch” technique now adopted by NATO. Each tank and APC would search a key point of terrain where a Sagger might be located. When a Sagger was spotted in flight, the watching vehicle would give a warning to whoever appeared to be the target and would immediately fire in the direction of the Sagger launch, hoping to disturb the gunner’s concentration, make him lose control of the missile and obscure his vision with the dust raised by firing. Meanwhile, the target would take evasive action. Forces advancing against suspected ATGM positions can also use “bounding overwatch,” with half of the force moving while the other half remains in overwatch position, their weapons trained on likely enemy positions.

This stuff is, like, gold! Try to shoot me now, Soviet pinkos! There are like four more paragraphs of protips, but I’ll just finish with this part:

Hull-down tanks can dodge ATGMs spotted in flight by simply reversing down the slope and letting it pass overhead. Even if there is no cover, a tank can still outmanoeuvre a first-generation ATGM. It is difficult for the gunner to correct for sudden, sharp moves by the target, and a turn to the right or left by the target in the last four or five seconds before impact cannot be compensated for, and the missile will go past. Tanks can also dodge these ATGMs by following an erratic, swerving path. None of these first-generation Soviet ATGMs has an autopilot, so the gunner’s natural tendency is to overcorrect while trying to keep the missile on target, and thus to lose control. US Army officers estimate that dodging techniques alone can reduce first-generation ATGM effectiveness by at least 50% and possibly by as much as 70%.

Mordy, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 00:11 (nine years ago) link

During the 1948 Arab–Israeli War the Arab Legion was considered[1] the strongest Arab army involved in the war. Glubb led the Arab Legion across the River Jordan to occupy the West Bank (May 1948). Despite some negotiation and understanding between the Jewish Agency and King Abdullah, severe fighting took place in Kfar Etzion (May 1948), Jerusalem and Latrun (May-July 1948). According to Avi Shlaim,

Rumours that Abdullah was once again in contact with the Jewish leaders further damaged his standing in the Arab world. His many critics suggested that he was prepared to compromise the Arab claim to the whole of Palestine as long as he could acquire part of Palestine for himself. 'The internecine struggles of the Arabs,' reported Glubb, 'are more in the minds of Arab politicians than the struggle against the Jews. Azzam Pasha, the mufti and the Syrian government would sooner see the Jews get the whole of Palestine than that King Abdullah should benefit.' (p. 96)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bagot_Glubb

nakhchivan, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 00:18 (nine years ago) link

mordy have you ever read guy gavriel kays 'lions of al-rassan'? if so do you have any thoughts abt it?

no (Lamp), Wednesday, 18 February 2015 22:29 (nine years ago) link

i have not, but guy gavriel has been recommended to me in the past. should i read it?

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 February 2015 22:49 (nine years ago) link

yeah its an enjoyable book

but it has an idea of 'jewishness' that is interesting to me and maybe overly common amongst canadas professional/intellectual class (see also the depiction of the girl that david staunton loves in robertson davies).

no (Lamp), Wednesday, 18 February 2015 22:55 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

PfJfJ

http://www.theguardian.com/profile/farah-halime

nakhchivan, Saturday, 28 March 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link

hi mordy, are there any books on judaism you’d particularly recommend? i’ve read a little robert alter but that’s more exclusively literary

i know the literature must be vast so it's an impossible question.

(me: one parent adamantly atheist jew who was sorta don draper denying background, other parent believing catholic; got family in israel; but anyway i’m shockingly ignorant, despite my ilx name and interests)

drash, Sunday, 29 March 2015 11:32 (nine years ago) link

prob should find another thread to ask nakh for recs re islam & middle east history; i’ve only superficial knowledge; should i start with bernard lewis

drash, Sunday, 29 March 2015 11:33 (nine years ago) link

oh i don't have any great knowledge of middle eastern history at all, just something i've taken a more recent interest in during the last periodic flare-up

bernard lewis' 'from babel to dragomans' is good certainly, i recommended this to mordy a while back, contains essays on sundry topics over many years

nakhchivan, Sunday, 29 March 2015 11:46 (nine years ago) link

thanks nakh, looks good

drash, Sunday, 29 March 2015 12:49 (nine years ago) link

what are your jewish interests? most of my background is in primary sources (tanakh, mishnah, talmud, shulchan aruch, chassidut) but if you let me know what you want to know more about (jewish history? law? scripture? classical, medieval, modern? diaspora, israel? ashkenazim, sephardim, persians, bukhara, morroco, ethiopia?) i might have some suggestions.

Mordy, Sunday, 29 March 2015 13:09 (nine years ago) link

interested in lots of that, but for now let's say:
judaism as a "worldview", so any philosophical takes on judaism (its understanding of the world & what it is to be human in it), overall but starting with early judaism-- i guess that would incorporate early jewish history, law, scripture & its interpretation
what’s a good (possibly annotated) edition of the Hebrew Bible
generally speaking i'm interested in the origins & genealogy of things (ideas, practices, forms of life), I like starting “from the beginning” then following their development
interested in tradition of midrash
interested in history & history of ideas, especially classical, medieval, early modern period
if there’s a good overall history of judaism and/or the jews as a people i’ll start with that
particularly interested in ashkenazim
interested in modern jewish history too of course, again esp ashkenazim, & establishment of state of israel

ha, hardly narrowed it down; don’t know that that helps at all! seriously, don’t recommend books on all or most of that; just, if there are any books you especially like on one or a couple of the above topics, let me know

drash, Sunday, 29 March 2015 14:40 (nine years ago) link

Heschel is the best and I recently read and really loved his On Prophets. If you do end up reading it I'd love to discuss it w u

Mordy, Sunday, 29 March 2015 14:56 (nine years ago) link

thanks mordy, looks very interesting, will do

drash, Sunday, 29 March 2015 15:07 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf4bK0c_tOM

nakhchivan, Friday, 17 April 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link

South African supporters of Theodor Herzl contacted Smuts in 1916. Smuts, who supported the Balfour Declaration, met and became friends with Chaim Weizmann, the future President of Israel,

Smuts' wrote an epitaph for Weizmann, describing him as "the greatest Jew since Moses."[61]

Smuts once said:

“ Great as are the changes wrought by this war, the great world war of justice and freedom, I doubt whether any of these changes surpass in interest the liberation of Palestine and its recognition as the Home of Israel.[62]

nakhchivan, Saturday, 25 April 2015 00:37 (nine years ago) link

today is my 10th year anniversary of my first post to ILX

Mordy, Sunday, 26 April 2015 22:52 (nine years ago) link

we should mark this occasion. how are you celebrating? any regrets?

drash, Sunday, 26 April 2015 23:19 (nine years ago) link

i regret getting addicted to ilx. i am celebrating from a hotel in phoenix while i work on my OSHA certification. despite these two downer conditions i am in good spirits.

Mordy, Sunday, 26 April 2015 23:20 (nine years ago) link

phoenix is quite possibly the most depressing, ugly city i have ever had the pleasure of visiting - esp since i got here after spending half a week in paradise on earth denver.

Mordy, Sunday, 26 April 2015 23:21 (nine years ago) link

i raise a glass to you, mordy

not had the pleasure of visiting phoenix but agree about denver

my addiction is incipient but already serious. i blame you for being a bad influence & enabler

drash, Sunday, 26 April 2015 23:31 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I can not remember the password to my account I previously deleted my email associated with my facebook account so i'm unable to reset it and yahoo has stopped making the ymail accounts
I also never set up security questions or etc
can someone please help
The email associated with my facebook account is t0tal_nightm✧✧✧@ym✧✧✧.c✧✧
new email is dburnet✧✧✧@ivyt✧✧✧.e✧✧

― zionsmommy, Monday, 18 May 2015 00:58 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jesus christ i didnt see that email

i'm reading this book. it's good and often funny:

http://jewishtheater.org/Jewish%20Theater/Catch-the-Jew_image.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Catch-The-Jew-Tuvia-Tenenbom/dp/9652297984

Mordy, Monday, 18 May 2015 21:29 (nine years ago) link

I go to see Jesus’ tomb.

A long line of people, which I estimate to be between one and six million, are in a queue to enter the tomb, perhaps hoping that they will rise to life after their deaths as well. There’s an entry point at one side of the tomb and a little room on the other.

In the little room they sell paper for those who want to write personal letters to Jesus, which many here do. Writing done, they drop their notes at the tomb for Jesus to read. I’m not sure why they are doing it, especially since Jesus got out of the tomb alive long ago and only God knows where he is today. The Jews who write letters to God are a bit smarter: they deposit their letters with His Wife, not at the empty tomb of His Son.

Some of the letter writers also attach money to their letters, obviously thinking that Jesus is in need of some cash. I’m not completely certain how the cash finally reaches Jesus but I can see the Greek monks faithfully collecting it for him.

There are other sacred things happening here besides cash.

An older monk approaches an attractive lady and, touching his head and his torso when he says this, tells her that he’s very happy because Jesus is in his mind and in his heart. He adds, speaking to the lady: “I can see that Jesus is also in your head and in your heart.” He gets closer to the lady, puts his lips on her face and her torso, exactly where Jesus resides, and kisses both with passion.

It is at this very moment of Holy Porno that I feel the need to butt in. This monk is more interesting than the man who looked like a bishop I met before.

Do you see Jesus in my mind and heart as well? I ask the monk.

“Yes.”

You sure?

“Yes!”

Would you mind kissing me too? On my head and over my heart, where Jesus is?

The monk gives me a spiteful look, but I insist that he kiss Jesus. He refuses. I raise my voice at him, for the Lord’s honor, and swear to him that I won’t leave the place unless he kisses my body with passion, “like you did the lady’s.”

The lady hears our exchange and promptly demands that he kiss me.

He does. Monks obey ladies.

The woman, who says her name is Olga, laughs loudly. I demand hotter kisses, as Olga looks at him with stern eyes.

Mordy, Monday, 18 May 2015 21:33 (nine years ago) link

While still in Tel Aviv, the Left Wing City of Israel, I go to meet Udi Aloni.

Udi introduces himself to me as a filmmaker and a writer with a Berlinale prize in his pocket, awarded to him by the German Minister for Economic Cooperation and Development, Dirk Niebel. Dirk again, the man busy in Development.

[...]

As we sit for coffee in one of Tel Aviv’s myriad cafés, Udi nostalgically recalls another place. “I lived in Jenin for one year, and in Ramallah for two.” A light shines in his eyes, as if he had just mentioned two women of his dreams.

Udi is a shining example of the new Left of Israel: the extremist Left. This is a Left that I don’t know, a Left as far as one’s left hand can reach. Gideon is not alone. He, Gideon, and the “political psychologist” I met earlier on, are members of a new club. “People in Tel Aviv don’t believe in God, but they believe that God promised them the land,” is how Udi describes the non-radical Left. His Left is different. He is on the forefront of the campaign to boycott Israel and Israeli products, he shares with me with ecstatic pleasure.

If his boycott campaign succeeds, he, as an Israeli, would suffer greatly. If Israel cannot sell its products overseas and no other nation were to sell any product to her, Israel would go under and people would die of starvation. Is this what he is after?

In a way, yes.

“At the end there should be one state here, with one man one vote,” is how he puts it.

In such a case, and since the Palestinians are likely to be the majority of this one state, the Jewish state would cease to exist, correct?

“I dream of it!”

In addition to this dream, he also has nightmares.

“For me, the thought that one day I’d wake up and there would be no Palestinians around me, is a nightmare.”

Do you speak Arabic?

“No.”

It is mind-boggling to me how people who say they love Palestinians so much and dedicate their lives for preserving Palestinian identity and culture, don’t even entertain the thought of studying this culture. They know Kant, they know Nietzsche, they know Sartre, they know Aristotle, but they know no Quran, no Hadith, and no Arabic.

I studied the Quran, I studied the Hadith, and I studied Arabic. Udi is an Arab lover. What am I?

Udi doesn’t strike me as being the self-hating Jew of the Gideon Levy variety. Udi is not a “patriot” Israeli; he doesn’t want a “Jesus” Israel, he wants no Israel. Udi is the normal self-hating person. He loves the Palestinians not for what they are, since he doesn’t really know them, but for what they are not: they are not Jews, they are the Jews’ enemies, and this makes them fantastic people.

***

A few hours later I go to a Georgian restaurant and sit at the table with an Israeli scholar. She is left-wing through and through and she loves Palestinians. So much so that she keeps mentioning to me – in case I didn’t hear it ten times already in less than an hour – that for years she had slept with a Palestinian. They weren’t going out together, not really, but they were having sex. An intellectual leftist sitting with us is very pleased and he gives her this remark: “I’m happy to hear this; now I know you’re okay.” She knows a big zero about the Palestinians’ culture, but she’s been sharing her bed with one. That’s respect, isn’t it?

Mordy, Saturday, 23 May 2015 23:46 (nine years ago) link

Gideon [Levy] is in his newspaper’s office in Tel Aviv, where I have just arrived to meet him.

His father, he tells me, is from Sudetenland and he spoke German as a child.

But Gideon doesn’t care about Sudetenland, what he cares about is The Occupation. He wasn’t always like this, but when he started working for this paper “the more I understood that the occupation is brutal, criminal, and the more radical I became.”

Do you think that the nation of Israel is brutal by nature?

“No, totally not. Others are the same. But there is one thing that’s different from other nations, which is a DNA in the Israeli mentality, the belief that they are the Chosen People, which is a racist view, and this is something very deep in the DNA of the Israeli, of the Jew, that we are better than anybody, that we deserve everything, the kind of belief that Prime Minister Golda Meir had, that Jews can do anything they want, and this is in addition to the thought that we are the greatest victims of history. These are the very thoughts that make us believe that we have rights that others don’t have, and that therefore we can do anything. Out of these comes the demonization of Palestinians.”

Could we say that the Israelis and the Nazis are one and the same?

“No.”

Why not?

“You could make a comparison to the Nazis in the thirties. But that’s the most you can do, not more. Here there are no plans to annihilate other nations, no plans to rule over the world, no concentration camps. I prefer comparing Israel with South Africa during Apartheid.”

Is it ever going to change?

“Only if Israel pays for it. Only under pressure on the Israelis, economically or, God forbid, by bloodshed.”

Do you think Jews have always been like this, with this racist DNA?

“Certainly.”

In this kind of environment, I ask him, why doesn’t he just pack his suitcases, jump onto a plane, and simply leave this country?

“I’m an Israeli patriot,” he answers. Israel is very important for him, this is his place and, besides, he asks rhetorically: “What will I do in other places, write about tourism?”

Europe, as a rule, sides more with the Palestinians, while the United States sides more with the Israelis. What do you think is the reason for this?

“Europe is much more ideological, complex, intellectual. America is shallow, everything in black and white, and brainwashed.”

Under the intellectuals’ Rule of Generalization, Gideon should be stripped of his right to speak in public. This is never going to happen, of course, because Gideon Levy is practically the best source of information for all intellectuals with even the slightest interest in Israel.

Why, do you think, are the Europeans so interested in this land?

“Very complex. For one thing, you can’t ignore the past. In some European countries, I’m sure, and I’m talking about feelings they have in their sub-subconscious, there is this thinking: ‘if our victims are engaged in horrible acts perhaps it’s not that bad what we have done to them.’ It makes the Europeans feel better and it compensates for their guilty feelings. But it’s also true that Europe is more sensitive than America to human rights violations in general.”

We keep on talking, and Gideon tells me that he doesn’t speak Arabic. I ask him how can he write about the horrible things Israel is doing to the Palestinians, which he constantly does, if he doesn’t understand the language of his interviewees.

Gideon replies that his team includes Arabic speakers for those interviewees who don’t speak English or Hebrew. I mention to him that the people here speak in two languages, one amongst themselves and one with foreigners, and that if you don’t know their mother tongue they will sell you tall tales. Even Al-Jazeera is doing this, giving two very different viewpoints: One for the “brothers,” in Arabic, and one for Westerners, in English. But Gideon, who does not understand Arabic at all, claims that this is not the case. And when I ask him if he also reports on Palestinian human rights violations, he replies that what the Palestinians do is none of his business.

I have no clue how he can report on abuses of one side if he doesn’t even bother about the abuses of the other side. Violence, after all, many a time comes in circles: one shoots and the other shoots back, but if you fail to mention the first bullet and only report about the second, the second shooter turns into a plain murderer by the strokes of your pen, not because he really is.

What does he think of the settlers in Hebron?

“They are the worst. No doubt.”

His issue is not just the settlers.

“I think,” he says to me, “that the average Palestinian wants peace more than the average Israeli. I have no doubt about this.” Yet, despite his love for the Palestinians he doesn’t really know them. And he admits it: “All my friends are Israelis. I don’t have one Palestinian friend.”

This is sad. For so many years Gideon has championed the Palestinian cause, but not one Palestinian has befriended him, or he one of them. Obviously, despite what his articles may suggest, he really doesn’t care about the Palestinians, only about the Jews. He’s an Israeli patriot, as he says to me. He wants his Israel, his Jews, to be super-humans and reply to a bullet with a kiss. In short: he wants all the Jews to be Jesus and die on the cross.

There can be only one reason why he would want them to be a Jesus: Inside of this man’s heart, in its darkest corners, this Gideon is the biggest kind of Jewish racist that has ever existed. Jews must behave like super-humans because they are. And as long as they do not behave as a master Jesus race, he hates them. He is the strangest self-hating Jew you can find.

Mordy, Saturday, 23 May 2015 23:48 (nine years ago) link

the sickest thing about the post-colonial critique of zionism is that it claims that a white european people came to a middle eastern country and kicked out the arabs, meanwhile it totally ignores that jewish expulsion victims from arab countries make up twice the number of palestinian refugees from the nakba. so when arabs claim that israeli jews aren't indigenous to the middle east are they just suppressing the fact that until very recently they lived next door to many of these jews before chasing them out?

Mordy, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:26 (nine years ago) link

vid about the tenenbom book:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiZ-nm8VlF0

Mordy, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:58 (nine years ago) link

http://www.rrc.edu/AR15/

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Thursday, 4 June 2015 22:12 (nine years ago) link

Increasingly, the IDF, and Dabla specifically, have been taking grief from a surprising quarter for their unique policies on avoiding civilian harm: academics and lawyers who are otherwise friendly to the IDF, or at least not openly hostile. Take the case of Wolff Heintschel von Heinegg, a distinguished expert on military law at European University Viadrina in Frankfurt. Dabla recently brought this law professor, and other top military law experts from outside Israel, to further train IDF combat commanders in the intricacies of the law of armed conflict.

Speaking at a smallish military base outside Tel Aviv, the German lawyer acknowledged that the IDF went to “great and noble lengths” to avoid civilian casualties in Gaza and other recent conflicts. However, he believes that the IDF is taking “many more precautions than are required” and in doing so, he fears the IDF “is setting an unreasonable precedent for other democratic countries of the world who may also be fighting in asymmetric wars against brutal nonstate actors who abuse these laws.”

He’s not alone. When Pnina Sharvit Baruch, a former Dabla chief, attends legal conferences around the world, she says she faces “recurring claims” from other militaries’ legal advisers that the IDF “is going too far in its self-imposed restrictions intended to protect civilians, and that this may cause trouble down the line for other democratic nations fighting organ-ized armed groups.” Today, Baruch is a senior researcher at the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv.

[...]

And maybe bad news for other Western nations as well. “The IDF’s warnings certainly go beyond what the law requires, but they also sometimes go beyond what would be operational good sense elsewhere,” says Michael Schmitt, director of the Stockton Center for the Study for International Law at the U.S. Naval War College. “People are going to start thinking that the United States and other Western democracies should follow the same examples in different types of conflict. That’s a real risk.” Schmitt is the author of a just-completed comprehensive analysis of the IDF’s targeting systems.

Mordy, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 21:21 (nine years ago) link

recurring theme of (internal & external) standards set, perhaps uniquely, on israel

drash, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 22:05 (nine years ago) link

it's interesting bc it lends truth to an argument i've heard (very quietly) from some on the left that they're uniquely pressuring israel bc it makes for an easier intervention for the entire west, that for whatever already existing structural reasons (well-financed arab opposition, still operative antisemitism, unique relationship to UN) critiques can be more easily integrated when lodged against israeli society that can then be used as precedence in future interventions. i think i most hilariously heard this idea from someone who argued [optimistically] that once israel is dissolved as a country that'll just lend credibility for dissolving other countries as well.

Mordy, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 22:15 (nine years ago) link

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/06/10/its-a-happy-israel-after-all-world-happiness-report/

Embroiled in endless conflict and surrounded by hostile neighbors, how is Israel the 11th happiest nation in the world?

fp trying to convince me to move

Mordy, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:48 (nine years ago) link


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