Reveal Your Uncool Conservative Beliefs Here

Femmephobia is way less useful as a critical concept than misogyny

Self-care is necessary but not thereby radically oppositional

Couching leftist projects in terms of resistance to neoliberalism rather than to capitalism risks a lot of reformist implications

(Not that femmephobia can't be useful in order to talk about, say, biases in specific queer spaces, but it can mystify the conditions that butch and gnc women actually face if applied too generally.)

watching grown adults discussing rae sremmurd like it was literature is to behold the end of art

that's not a "reveal" per se

I forgot imago had some sort of Sremm beef. Why so much hate?

Marxism is dumb and bad.

Capitalist liberal democracy is the end point of Western civilization, it will never be superseded by a higher/better form of social organization, will only end through collapse.

Men should not have facial hair and people in general should not have messy hair.

xps i don't recall saying that you can hear a soulja boy's influence on chaucer

lol "a soulja boy." the soulja boy's tale

currently at peak hair and beard, this will probably only end by collapse too tbh

sremm beef = just watch their latest video, 'set the roof' and listen to the lyrics, they're just the worst people in earth, i fucking despise literally everything they're doing, it isn't even abrasive in an interesting way

lol crut, one for old-skool ilx that

hir wese y manne ful cranke, tellynge

Femmephobia is way less useful as a critical concept than misogyny

Self-care is necessary but not thereby radically oppositional

Couching leftist projects in terms of resistance to neoliberalism rather than to capitalism risks a lot of reformist implications

― one way street, Thursday, August 4, 2016 10:52 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink]

looooool

women's sports are, in general, less exciting versions of men's sports

http://allproudamericans.com/paimages/does-duck-and-cover-really-work.jpg

I'll watch women's tennis from time to time but yeah

There are too many things that I massively disagree with posted here for it to be worth a fight on any one of them. I'm just wondering why the 'loool' at ows? Because those aren't really conservative standpoints? They kind of are in comparison to a lot of current radical discourse (I agree with all of them, though not entirely with the latter, but again, I kind of feel this thread is meant to be a dumping ground not a discussion ground).

women's sports are, in general, less exciting versions of men's sports

― have you ever even read The Drudge Report? Have you gone on Stormfron (k3vin k.), Wednesday, August 17, 2016 10:52 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sexual dimorphism of humans def means that a lot of sports are more exciting to watch when men are playing them but otoh a lot of women's sports are less commercialized and therefore less likely to suffer from rampant PED use endemic to men's sports and therefore likely to be more of a clean competition

also crowds at woman's sports tend to be less shitty

(emil.y i was laughing at the extreme relativity necessary to consider those "conservative opinions." i assumed they were posted tongue in cheek so thought i was laughing along with one way street, not at them, and wasn't critiquing the positions themselves)

Can't speak for sciatica but I lol'ed at ows' post bc it requires some, like, wicked fractal definition of conservatism within the queer anticapotalist left. but I get how all those opinions could be uncool rn

liberalism as many of my friends practice it is like a shitty religion that i want no part of.

they think of other people as needing to be saved, by them.
they make penance with speech acts, not real action.
they live their lives in constant guilt.
they live in cities that are only differentiated from other cities by being huge destinations for wealth, then they disavow that wealth while continuing to partake in the lifestyle it provides.
they blame rich people for all the evils of the world while ignoring that they are the 1%.
they prescribe how other people should be living their own lives.
they say things that have no meaning other than to reveal to others that they are members in this very sensitive club of good people.
it's nothing but performative.

Lol got xp'd

I must admit I like Republican President Dwight D. "Ike" Eisenhower. But chances are, you also like Ike. Maybe everybody likes Ike.

xps to sciatica and flopson - yeah, both of those reasons are basically fair enough. I think I inhabit so many circles where these are topics for fierce debate that I took it w/ a completely straight face!

watching grown adults discussing rae sremmurd like it was literature is to behold the end of art

― imago,

links?

I must admit I like Republican President Dwight D. "Ike" Eisenhower. But chances are, you also like Ike. Maybe everybody likes Ike.

― Philip Nunez,

best Cold War president if you look past his championing of covert ops

just watch their latest video, 'set the roof' and listen to the lyrics, they're just the worst people in earth, i fucking despise literally everything they're doing

Lj on rap always sounds like thinly veiled racist uncle 'i like blk ppl...who pull up their pants' lol

There was some self-directed irony in my post (like, as a queer trans woman and a marxist, I realize I occupy a different milieu than some of you), but I do actually hold the positions in it, and they're generally unpopular in radical circles; but as e.mily said, this thread seems "like a dumping ground not a discussion ground," so I'll stay out of the rae sremmurd discourse.

*emil.y, I mean

if hating on vicious misogyny, shit beats and two little soi-disant alpha male fuckers is racist then

never listened to rae sremmurd but i see his/her/their name everywhere

just read the lyrics to set the off and stopped here:

Now let's fill up her head and let's see if she chokes

it's fashionable to call anything (thinly veiled) racism these days (oh my conservative opinion i guess)

Bill O'Reilly also quotes lyrics as if they made sense removed from arrangements.

if hating on vicious misogyny, shit beats and two little soi-disant alpha male fuckers is racist then

― imago,

you just wrote hating "on."

if you are comparing me to bill o reilly you should say so instead of hinting at it

I think I did!

[Pre-Hook: Swae Lee]
Flash her with cash, had to spazz on the waiter
She fucked up my order three times in a row, woah
I'm good on gas, I just filled up my tank
Now let's fill up her head and let's see if she chokes

so the double entendre is not done on purpose i guess is what you're saying

i don't actually think ur racist lj you just an fyi you sound like coded white supremacist

I think I did!

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, August 17, 2016 7:46 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and no, you didn't

yeah I quite like rap and rap culture so I appropriate its vernacular sometimes. doesn't mean I don't detest some of its practitioners though

and they're not as bad as anthony kiedis I guess

I see you flopson, I'm better about this shot these days but sremm are p much in the sweet spot of do not get

yeah idk they're like a fabulous marriage of Descendants and Kool Keith. They get away with their snottiness and for the moment they don't sound anomic or evil. But they can't keep it up forever and I can imagine hating them like The Weeknd and late Kanye.

doesn't mean I don't detest some of its practitioners though

― imago, Wednesday, August 17, 2016 7:50 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the thing

people take a band you don't like and make a lot of unwarranted generalizations about you

theres tonnes of good hip hop and rap that reads different than rae sremmurd

nah it's all good -- we're just zingin' late afternoon

zingin on hump day

ugh

s'all good

let's get back on topic

courses aimed at bright/curious state-schooled kids, such as those I help to run a few times a year, are not elitist

I think my uncool conservative belief is on a parallel with LJ's statement there -- I think drawing a line dividing quality work from mass market pulp and calling one side "literature" has its place

the line moves all the time, though, and things jump back and forth

spelling your band name backwards is straightup stupid

They get away with their snottiness and for the moment they don't sound anomic or evil. But they can't keep it up forever

This was basically my take on Odd Future when they first came out, but weren't they actually kids at the time whereas Rae Sremmurd are like proper adults? I like RS musically, but honestly I haven't really paid much attention to their lyrics, so... eh. I kind of don't want to go down that route but just imagine I wrote an incredibly long and interesting post about the conflicts and intertwinement of ingroup lexical production, culture, Cannibal Corpse and exclusion/alienation of marginalised groups. Seriously, this hypothetical post was the most brilliant and incisive thing you've ever read about lyrics and it's changed your worldview forever.

(sorry for continuing to turn this thread into 'Rae Sremmurd: Classic or Dud')

Fair enough. Cannibal Corpse have shit beats too though

rock has a rich and deep history of making garbage music (another uncool conservative opinion!)

the internet can't accommodate both privacy and anonymity, and given a choice between the two i pick privacy

it will never be ok with me when people use "unique" to mean "uncommon"

Marxism is dumb and bad.

Capitalist liberal democracy is the end point of Western civilization, it will never be superseded by a higher/better form of social organization, will only end through collapse.

Men should not have facial hair and people in general should not have messy hair.

― ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, August 17, 2016 12:37 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You know the Marxist view *is* that Capitalism will collapse, right?

it's basically the "Drumpf" thing again

He didn’t (just) change his name to sound more working class, he changed it to remove the Irish part of it, and that matters when a lot of the crowd he spends time with have links to violent loyalist paramilitaries.

Never done it myself but then I've never even called Starmer Kieth. The Irish aspect never crossed my mind tbh!

it's a distraction which we shouldn't be getting bogged down in. calling starmer kieth is good only because it winds up Ian Dunt, the racists are not getting at all wound up by us saying yaxley-lennon.

I don't know why he bothered changing his surname, having an Irish sounding one is no bar to being a successful racist cunt on rainy fascist isle. Although he is probably a millionaire, so maybe the rebrand helped him a bit.

this couch and dolphin stuff is deeply unseemly. the guy has ridiculed himself on the record so many times over and spouted all manner of bigoted shit; nail him on what he's actually said and done

― imago, Friday, 26 July 2024 bookmarkflaglink

no fucking way lmfao pic.twitter.com/Gf3q3yQeKk

— Andrew Lawrence (@ndrew_lawrence) August 6, 2024

Imago was not otm, until that very moment. Thanks for ruining the fun Walz

what on earth is irish-sounding about yaxley-lennon

"tommy robinson" is a guise and a deliberate one. the gotcha isnt "ooh look at his real name" its a reminder "this guy is not who he says he us" in every sense."

also "when you performatively disrespect a terrible person's rights it means your respect for those rights is a conditional thing which you may decide not to grant" is just, imo, cant.

we put terrible people in prison all the time. respect for just about every right is conditional and the slippery slope argument is usually nonsense.

tbh if the name change was the result of a family situation then I'd be sympathetic to the idea that it should be respected, but it's not. Tommy Robinson is a nomme de guerre and given that these cunts thrive on faux authenticity I've got no problem with people pointing out what a fake he is

this isn't a slippery slope argument, I'm saying it's a dumb gotcha, his changing his name does not matter to any of his fans, they care about this shit as little as they care that Hitler was vegetarian and non-blonde. But people who have changed their names, for example trans people, will notice that this is something you're making a big deal of, and right wing shitheads will feel further emboldened to deadname them because "your side are doing it too"

Tommy Robinson is not his name, though, it’s a pseudonym. It’s not particularly clear what his name is.

I don’t think there’s a lot of value in calling him Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, per se, but pointing out that he has multiple identifies including Yaxley-Lennon, which seems to be his original name, Stephen Lennon, which is on his Irish passport and Paul Harris, which is on his British passport, and is probably the one he actually changed his name to - and he uses them all to evade scrutiny seems legit.

letting people know that he has multiple identities he travels under, including using a friend's passport to travel to the USA, is not the same as "that's not even his real name!" which is what this is.

what on earth is irish-sounding about yaxley-lennon

Stephen Lennon, which is on his Irish passport

small town south of peterborough. ireland meets fenland, double bog

I didn't know he had an Irish passport but then his background is shrouded in some mystery.

Robinson was born in Luton on 27 November 1982. According to Robinson in 2013, he was born Stephen Yaxley in London, and later adopted by his stepfather, Thomas Lennon.[6][7]

Robinson had an Irish mother and an English father.

The real Tommy Robinson, from whom Yaxley took his name, was a prominent member of the Luton Town MIGs, a football hooligan crew which follows Luton Town FC.[10] The pseudonym successfully hid his identity and criminal history until the connection was uncovered in July 2010 by Searchlight magazine.[11][12] He has also used the names Andrew McMaster, Paul Harris,[13] Wayne King,[14][15] and Stephen Lennon.[13]

That's Wayne King not Wayne Kerr.

William Patrick Stuart Houston aka Paddy Hitler, the Fuhrer's half Irish, half-nephew. This lad carried a few different passports in his life as well.

something that's come up on a couple threads recently, i got a genuinely conservative opinion on this

i think recreational drugs are, in general, bad

a lot of people take drugs because they feel bad and taking drugs makes them feel good

and even if the drug itself isn't dangerous, maybe it can get in the way of addressing the root causes of why a particular person is feeling bad

i think drugs should be legal, i think people should have access to drugs. i take lots of drugs, more or less legally. a lot of times i see people take drugs recreationally, and it is causing them serious long-term harm. that makes me sad. i don't think that should be criminalized or that they should be punished for that. it just makes me sad.

With you on that. Even pot - "the safe one" - is probably more psychologically damaging than most of its users and advocates give it credit for. And I definitely agree with you on "getting in the way of addressing the root causes."

I had been back on it for about a year after my most recent two year break. Put a pause on my consumption again a few weeks ago, but it had taken me at least two months of telling myself "I need to take a break as soon as this batch is done. I mean, as soon as this next batch is done. I mean..."

i don't fully disagree but if the problem is "things that get in the way of addressing the root causes of feeling bad" then we can extend this thought to donuts, TV, pretty much any pleasurable indulgence for some value of "doing it to excess"

if you're against things that people do to feel better while avoiding dealing with the root of bad feelings, i've got bad news about most human activities
xpost

With you on that. Even pot - "the safe one" - is probably more psychologically damaging than most of its users and advocates give it credit for. And I definitely agree with you on "getting in the way of addressing the root causes."

― peace, man

yeah my youngest sibling went into inpatient for pot addiction when they were younger. and i mean people can judge that however they want, but the truth is that they were addicted and they did need treatment and they are still benefiting from being in AA (cuz alcohol was also involved) today. AA, i tell you what, AA is fucking weird. because bill w _was_ friends with timothy leary later in bill w's life, it's one of those things where i see where he was coming from and he was looking at addressing the systemic roots of trauma. healing from trauma. which is what interested in him in leary's stuff, and like. that's a lot of the reasons people get into entheogens. ketamine, mushies, molly, they're being used clinically now, are being recognized as having clinical value, i mean, it's what they always used to say, "set and setting". so i'm not _against_ drugs, necessarily. i just think a lot of times people self-medicate and they say "oh i'm doing so much better" and _i don't believe them_. they don't look like they're doing better to me.

so a lot of AA-style groups here are into entheogens, but also a lot of them are queer, a lot of them are into family trauma, there's stuff that in my experience is valid, that works. in terms of, like, empirical results. going down to the dispensary every week, it helps people get by, it helps people survive, and i mean, it gets people high, nothing wrong with that, but a lot of times people got problems and getting high is a less than optimally healthy coping mechanism for those problems. there are things they could be doing that would help more, and being high is getting in the way of their doing that.

i don't fully disagree but if the problem is "things that get in the way of addressing the root causes of feeling bad" then we can extend this thought to donuts, TV, pretty much any pleasurable indulgence for some value of "doing it to excess"

― Yuwen Hu's army (Noodle Vague)

yeah i don't have a problem with that. people _really_ misunderstand the nature and causes of obesity in particular. lotta people, you know, they have bad things happen and people cope in unhealthy ways. smack. sugar. asceticism. literally i'm addicted to self-denial, it's unhealthy for me. now, at that point, i'm _not_ espousing a conservative idea at all, i'm espousing a radically leftist idea, espousing the wholesale restructuring of society and in particular our criminal justice system away from a punitive approach. so i'm not actually conservative at all.

it's one of those places where conservatives are right for the wrong _reasons_, _accidentally_ right. it happens sometimes. a transphobe finds out i'm trans and they get mad and say "you'll never be a real man!" they're right and also they can go fuck themselves.

woke sjw type people irritate me even tho i agree with them about probably most stuff

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pot is actually the worst drug

Kate, I'm not following you.

People don't address the root cause of problems = yes.

Recreational drugs should be legal = yes

So...?