i don't actually know any cocaine vegans. in indiana we just have smack conservatives.
concerts should actually start on time.
― a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Thursday, 18 August 2016 11:44 (eight years ago) link
Qualx otm. In fact one place I'm pretty conservative is how education should be done. You don't get to participate in a seminar-style discussion where you spray your uninformed opinion all over everything without some base level of knowledge. Start by shutting the fuck up, doing the reading, and talk because you have genuine questions about what the text or the professor is saying. Also some level of memorization and understanding of dates is necessary to learning most humanities subjects. And advanced interpretive processes found in critical theory and such are just that, advanced, and you should learn to close read a text in a more formalistic way before you approach any of that stuff.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 18 August 2016 14:05 (eight years ago) link
is epistemic humility really a conservative belief? i guess small-c conservative but i consider it a liberal value - to acknowledge that there is much we don't know or understand is to acknowledge that the status quo may be flawed.
― Mordy, Thursday, 18 August 2016 14:08 (eight years ago) link
I mean my posts were less about conservatism and more just directed at this thread lol
― qualx, Thursday, 18 August 2016 16:05 (eight years ago) link
haha
― ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 August 2016 16:11 (eight years ago) link
not to make a statement in general but I have come to really resent that I went to a research university -- not a GOOD one, but one that prides itself very loudly on being 'a research university' -- and I managed an english degree without ever once being asked to actually do any research in an english class.
not against humanities degrees but against the dominance of studying philosophies that don't place value in research and context outside of the context of a dumb 20 year old's dumb brain
― qualx, Thursday, 18 August 2016 16:15 (eight years ago) link
research university = the university does resesarch. It has nothing to do necessarily with what undergrads learn.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 18 August 2016 16:18 (eight years ago) link
the Democratic Party would be in biiiiiig trouble if they didnt cater to extreme pro-abortion fanatics
― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 August 2016 16:20 (eight years ago) link
people should pay to go to university, and less people should go to university
― ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 August 2016 16:24 (eight years ago) link
The most important skills you can develop are those that will be useful in a doomsday apocalyptic scenario.
― Mordy, Thursday, 18 August 2016 16:28 (eight years ago) link
how could you possibly know what those would be without knowing the exact nature of the scenario?
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 18 August 2016 16:31 (eight years ago) link
xp it might have had to do with the whole 'loud proclamations' thing but the university prided itself on research-centric classes, and you'd hear about it in non-humanities classes anyway (where it wouldn't necessarily be an assumption based on the course)
still, I'd say the same things about humanities in any university
― qualx, Thursday, 18 August 2016 16:32 (eight years ago) link
xp mechanics, electric, construction, farming, etc obv we can't predict the future but all seem more valuable than accounting or law
― Mordy, Thursday, 18 August 2016 16:33 (eight years ago) link
aka skills that are valuable outside the context of society
― Mordy, Thursday, 18 August 2016 16:34 (eight years ago) link
but what about the accountants and lawyers who aren't lucky enough to see a doomsday in their lifetime? what a waste of effort.
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 August 2016 17:36 (eight years ago) link
nb that you don't actually need an apocalypse for those skills to be valuable
― Mordy, Thursday, 18 August 2016 17:39 (eight years ago) link
but they could end up being much less valuable than accounting or law skills if you really do trade off one for the other
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 August 2016 17:43 (eight years ago) link
i always cringed at chuck d's cameo in that sonic youth song.
a most unKOOL conservative belief.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 18 August 2016 17:47 (eight years ago) link
GMOs are good
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 18 August 2016 17:47 (eight years ago) link
there is definitely nothing wrong with eating genetically modified food, billions of servings eaten to date, it's the anti-vax of food to be suspicious of gmos
― ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 August 2016 17:50 (eight years ago) link
the technology for making GMOs can be used for good and bad things
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 August 2016 17:52 (eight years ago) link
I'm generally fine with GMOs and don't think there's any reason to fear them, but I don't agree with the anti-vax analogy at all.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 18 August 2016 18:15 (eight years ago) link
I mean vaccines are a long-used, proven thing with pretty much no purpose other than to benefit humanity and stop disease. GMOs I believe are generally safe, but it's still unclear that they'll be used in any widespread way to do anything other than make agribusiness more profitable.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 18 August 2016 18:25 (eight years ago) link
being able to effectively lead a ragtag band of competent farmers, mechanics, masons and electrical engineers is way more useful than knowing how to do stuff
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 18 August 2016 18:29 (eight years ago) link
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, August 18, 2016
tell it like it is
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 August 2016 18:33 (eight years ago) link
lol
― how's life, Thursday, 18 August 2016 18:33 (eight years ago) link
i think the liberal tendency to harangue someone publicly and relentlessly every time they step outside the bounds of PC speech often just martyrs them rather than shames them and plays into the hands of folks who share even more virulent un-PC beliefs. sometimes (not always) it's probably best to kill them with kindness and prove them wrong that way or something. i don't know if that's a conservative belief or more of a strategic disagreement though.
― nomar, Thursday, 18 August 2016 18:54 (eight years ago) link
I'm not unilaterally against public shaming, but I'm hoping that we'll soon see the end of it's period of overuse.
― how's life, Thursday, 18 August 2016 18:57 (eight years ago) link
― Mordy, Thursday, August 18, 2016 9:33 AM (2 hours ago)
the underlying concepts of accounting and law are very useful in this scenario though
― sarahell, Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:00 (eight years ago) link
I believe ideas have consequences
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:00 (eight years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:29 AM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
first, pvmic. second, I think you meant 'electricians' there.
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:03 (eight years ago) link
I don't really foresee a prolonged period of time in which there is no "society." I think some form of society tends to congeal relatively quickly. I figure I'll probably just die in the initial deluge but if I manage to survive I'll find a way to make myself useful.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:06 (eight years ago) link
most useful skill is to learn to play to conch shell. so they keep you around for the announcement of speeches, meal times, and public executions.
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:12 (eight years ago) link
iirc the conch system's the first to go in the breakdown
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:13 (eight years ago) link
poor piggy
"I've got the conch"
"Oh yeah, well I've got the saxophone"
*plays hot licks*
― the enigma of dagmar krause (wins), Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:16 (eight years ago) link
*plays baker street*
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:17 (eight years ago) link
you have to be a nimble, boulder dodging conch player
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:18 (eight years ago) link
but you still have to play the conch
It's a political shell game is what it is
― the enigma of dagmar krause (wins), Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:19 (eight years ago) link
it's all Bologna is what it is (abalone)
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:23 (eight years ago) link
most meetings are a waste of time and resources
― sarahell, Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:25 (eight years ago) link
hey keep it down we're riffing in here
― the enigma of dagmar krause (wins), Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:25 (eight years ago) link
Reagan was a damn good public speaker.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:28 (eight years ago) link
i sometimes fantasize about what we could learn if we threw all scientific ethics out the window
― flopson, Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:30 (eight years ago) link
I think you meant 'electricians' there.
"makers"
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:32 (eight years ago) link
surely Prometheus offers a chilling enough warning to discourage this
― Tom Watson in a fedora (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:35 (eight years ago) link
i dislike most music
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:35 (eight years ago) link
so does half of ILM
― Tom Watson in a fedora (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:38 (eight years ago) link
you could never listen to even half of all the music. so you'd have to listen to a representative sample of all music, and then predict that you dislike most music
― veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 August 2016 19:41 (eight years ago) link