London ILB - FAP?

Books were.

Have had lovely holidays. Now, back to the books.

ILB FAP: 2009 edition. I'd be fine for a drink any day next week Monday-Thursday.

As for pubs: maybe go for one along Borough High Street?

Monday or Thursday would work for me, and Borough High St is A1 for me too.

Thursday's best for me - working a 12 hour shift the other days. Borough High St always a good place to go for a drink.

hey julio, im gonna be down in london next week so pl post details here - hope to come along

i don't live around london. tho i am heading up there for the weekend for the meltdown concerts and maaaay still be around monday/tuesdayish. can't say for sure, though.

hey Ward! This is good timing - hope to see you too. We'll keep details here.

thomp - Oops I knew about meltdown but didn't know if you were going to be around later that week.

Unless Gamaliel can make it Monday (doesn't look like it) I'd say next thur? Looking at the options how about this one just off the main street - Old King's head - but if you all have another option in mind then do tell.

http://www.fancyapint.com/pubs/pub473.html

I'll revive thisILE thread now for casual ILB-ers (or otherwise) who might want to come along.

Unless Gamaliel can make it Monday (doesn't look like it)

I really can't unfortunately. Awkward customer I know - the toad work. I will have an ILB FAP by myself on Thursday if it's not possible for others though, to make sure I pay my alcohol/reading duties.

That's not awkward at all! See you and everyone who can come next Thursday.

Should be at the Old King's from six-ish, I shall be reading and drinking if I don't see anyone.

I'll say which book on the day :-)

Might bother to do a 'Balkanized' ILX London FAP thread over at ILE on the day of the meet.

And thomp - if you're in London later this year etc let us know and we can arrange a FAP (although I might see you on Sunday, I guess?).

Will def be along on Thursday, and will similarly post book-holding details (tho' Gamaliel and I can identify one another - we go back)

I might be back from Brighton in time for this FAP. Then again, come to think of it, I guess I don't know anyone who's going to it.

Pinefox we have been in the same FAP several times. I think you also have talked to Ward Fowler.

bit odd how the board has an entirely different clientele to last time. feels a bit like housesitting.

but, yeah, see you sunday maybe. i'll be hanging around the bar reading the bantam edition of dhalgren, i should think.

New generation, innit?

I shall look for the Dhalgren (bantam ed.)

did anything happen with this FAP?

it's nice to know that people think they've been at a FAP with me, but I doubt that I could walk into a bar and say 'hey, aren't you xyzzz__?' I don't think I can even pronounce it.

It's on Thursday. xyzzz is usually my last utterance of any evening in a pub.

Pinefox - Its Julio. We only see each other once a year, or thereabouts, but still you should know what I look like.

ah, would love to come to this, but not a chance I can make it.

That's a shame G00blar!

5 month old baby + wife trying to finish PhD corrections + moving in a week = hahahah the pub??? yeah right..

Julio? Sure I know Julio! It just wasn't intuitive to guess that 'xyzzz__' meant 'Julio'!

I can see that.

If I don't spot anyone immediately I will be drinking and reading Patricia Highsmith's Carol at some table.

If people are spotted but not everyone else I will leave it on the table.

:-)

sorry not to see catch you at the weekend julio — how did you find ornette? i think that night had maybe the oddest selection of musicians i have ever seen share a stage

hey julio, am in london typing this on a borrowed computer v. quickly - am going to wimbledon tomorrow, but still plan to stick my head round the door of the old kings early eveningish - have sent a link to m@rtin skidm0re, who i think will be coming along too

btw, i have a copy of THE PORTRAIT OF A LADY by Henry James going spare, have just finished it and don't especially want to lug it back w/ me to glasgow

thomp -- sorry I missed you too, Ornette was great, I sorta revived his thread on ilm but haven't checked.

ward -- I was at wimbledon yesterday.

see you all later

Will be struggling in probably between half six and seven, looking rather shop soiled and feeling rather vinegary, in all probability clutching a copy of Henry de Montherlant's Chaos and Night.

Right. Unlike the last FAP there are no pics but thanks to Gamaliel, Ward, woof and m@rtin for meeting up.

Pinefox you were missed.

As I said last night: a pleasure.

Ward - let us know when you come down to London again, and do try and go to Wimbledon some other year. The queue is 'work', but I managed to finish a book while sitting in the park waiting. And then once you get to the grounds its matches and luck that you might get to see something great, but some of the outside courts have this lovely intimacy to them. Its an experience.

Thomp - didn't get enough time to say more when I posted previously but yes, kinda weird and yet its part of harmolodics that you could get Patty Smith, Flea and Master Musicians of Jojouka on a single stage. How were the other nights you went to?

Gamaliel - Chaos and Night sounds really interesting. By a coincidence of sorts I am going to see Alain Resnais War is Over, both seem to be a central character's feverish dream of their role in the Spanish civil war(?)

i demand pictures next time!

glad you guys had a good time.

Yes, that was def some fun. Good to meet you all - now have a brain full of recommendations and leads and look forward to doing it again.

Yep, I had a very good time. Drink + interesting and intelligent people (er... + me) = an evening well spent.

xyzzz___, yes, I'm liking Chaos and Night a lot. It's rather vicious and comical, free wheeling and digressively conversational. The Spanish Civil War forms the main backdrop to both the book and the main character, Celestino (exiled in Paris, hilariously, self-defeatingly misanthropic), I'm not sure how much the book deals with the actual events of it. It seems (I'm only a third of the way through) more like it's going to be about how it affected Spain 20 years later, and how it's distorted Celestino's mind - he suffers from a sort of Quixotic political insanity, that causes him to unheroically misinterpret the world around him.

Greene was a fan, and I wonder how much using the Don Quixote template to explore the idea of a mind warped by political extremity was an inspiration for (the admittedly far gentler) Monsignor Quixote.

I wish I wasn't quite so attracted to Fascist writers though - Celine, de Montherlant. It's emphatically NOT the fascism that appeals, but I do wonder if the reduction in empathy and an unwillingness to tolerate democratic compromise produces a hard, extreme style that I quite like, not exclusively, but which I certainly have a taste for from time to time.

Speaking of Fascist writers, (sort of joeks) Wyndham Lewis wrote one of his more accessible novels on the Spanish Civil War and specifically the English types involved in it (more tilting at Bloomsbury windmills) in The Revenge for Love. If you're immersing yourself in civil war stuff it's possibly worth reading for the excellent opening scene set in a Spanish prison. Lewis was capable of writing remarkable set pieces, extremely evocative of their setting - I'm thinking of the scene I just mentioned and the one at the beginning of the otherwise daunting Childermass, where a sort of heavenly limbo is described, and which feels like the best science or perhaps more properly speculative fiction (as do the excellent and hardly mentioned sequels Monstre Gai and Malign Fiesta - two remarkable books).

That Resnais seems quite appealing right now - I might go on the Monday if I can finish work early enough.

Need to find another word for 'remarkable'.

"I wish I wasn't quite so attracted to Fascist writers though - Celine, de Montherlant. It's emphatically NOT the fascism that appeals, but I do wonder if the reduction in empathy and an unwillingness to tolerate democratic compromise produces a hard, extreme style that I quite like, not exclusively, but which I certainly have a taste for from time to time."

Don't know about de Motherlant - but there a negative energy to Celine that makes his writing pretty vital. Not exactly because he was a fascist either. Beckett also had that quality, from what I recall.

I should be at the NFT on Monday for Resnais, too.

I will make a point to read some Wyndham Lewis, think I'll start with The Revenge for Love

Its really lovely out there -- drink sometime next week (later in the week: Thursday, perhaps).

I'd be on for that. Gamaliel, you about?

I could feasibly come along...

Can do Wednesday or Thursday, yep. (Wednesday slightly preferable tbh, but it's not a massive problem, Friday would be no go).

Wed is fine with me. We'll go w/that. I know its obvious but how about the Royal Oak in Tabard street? Any other suggestions welcome...

Damn, weds not actually great for me - thurs better. Any chance of that? Royal Oak good though.

oh yeah fine with either. Thur it is :-)

Royal Oak, absolutely. Thursday fine, just need to remind myself to take the late shift on Friday not the one that entails me getting up at five.

i wonder what happened to mikey g.

Oh and for anyone who wants to come along Thursday and does not know what we look like I will have a copy of the ARABIAN NIGHTS on the table.

^Likewise, I will be the one in the corner with the vacant illiterate stare. Complete fraud going to this - my inarticulate fists can barely hold a book at the moment, let alone turn pages. I blame the ILM listening clubs.

One more thing: should be there between 6-6.30.

For those who were thinking of coming along, here, from six-ish -

http://www.fancyapint.com/pubs/pub1228.php

Kinda looking like it's just going to be me, xyzzzz__ and woof, any more? Stevie T?

For example, on a whim on Saturday I went to a free outdoor "jazz" concert. First band was sort of post-bop but the second was a Marxist avant-skronk Henry Cow meets Magma octet playing extracts from a concept album about workers.. I thought, only in France.

wait you have to tell us (me) their name! are they part of RIO? (does RIO still exist?)

i will be back in that london first week nov (health check-up) and again first week dec (meeting former ilxor) -- one stay will probably be several days more than the other but right now i haven't decided which

Kami Octet

I assume they're too young for RIO.

Lol sounds good.

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Ok so let's aim for that first week of Nov. Check in nearer the time.

First week in nov seems likely to work for me also. Enjoy Paris, xyzzz... the best advice I can give you is to take Yerac's recommendations on the relevant thread seriously.

November rules and I want to attend, can we please not have on the 4th out of deference to the papists among us (I have a prior commitment)

Is first week of Nov still ok for this?

my extended london visit will be first week of dec (to overlap w/one-time ilxor steacy easton’s visit)

my shorter london visit has to coincide w/mon 4 nov (atrial fib check-up that afternoon) -- if monday eve is a good day for the FAP i'm in (but don't be ruled by me obv)

Happy to do a Monday however if others can say whether they are up for a drink then we can do that or first week of Dec. Easy going.

First week of Nov fine by me but I do have relatives staying starting Wed that week so can't guarantee.

Guess we can do this first week of Dec..

hullo all, i am in london from 29 nov -- 3 dec for various reasons

it would be nice to meet up!

adding that beloved former ilxor and scholar of country music STEACY EASTON is also visiting (1-6 dec) and wd love to meet up w/ilxors, so i said i'd spread the word

If Steacy wants to come to the FAP that would be ofc great.

Can do any day/eve in that 29-3rd period bar Sunday afternoon.

ok let's pick a date/place and i will pass info and choices on in both directions

Cool. Place really is same as always, I would say.

Date I'm flexible

But let me put Sat 30th evening

sat fine for me, less good for steacy (who i believe arrives the following day) but i will check in with them on FB

i am also now booked for hazel's leaving-london thing on sunday (time TBD, i imagine eve) -- she is off to run her own pub on the very far lip of SE London (location not known) (to me i mean, i think she knows it)

Oh sorry yes if Steacy can come I am good with Monday eve.

I should be ok for Monday 2 Dec also.

Good stuff