'Tis the Season = M.R. James

Interesting display of (non-scholarly) detachment in "Rats".

sorry yeah i think i cd read the inscription anyway when i was undrunk

anyho the place is the thing, imagine how horrible non-rural UK ghost writing mostly cd be

the mezzotint guy didn't seem that freaked out by it. he was willing to give that it was enough of a suspension of normal circumstances that his scout could use his chair, that was the limit.

i enjoyed the presence in a couple of cases of references to psychical-research types at the periphery of the story, curious what it would do to the logic of these fictions if they'd moved any more central

basically after three stories i was thinking 'must get the collected stories as soon as possible' and after i finished the book i thought 'maybe i will get the collected stories one day when i see a copy'

Is there a "best place to start" or just dive in with any book/edition?

There are collected stories freely downloadable. Usually collections are largely chronological, it works well because a lot of his classics are in the first batch of stories but I think he gets richer and more interesting in some ways later on

cosine this

the penguin 'count magnus and other ghost stories' is his first two collections with no omissions and some extra stuff and s.t. joshi's notes are only a little bit annoying

+don't know how much of this stuff was as ... familiar? not predictable exactly ... at the head of the last century
+like the one with the ward of the guy who's an expert on sacrificial rituals and whose previous wards have vanished
+and he explains that afterwards!! in case you didn't figure it out!!

apparently i have a long history of hating on 'lost hearts'

weird note: i have a strong memory of reading that particular copy of 'ghost stories of an antiquary' in the house i grew up in ... which on the evidence of this thread never happened, as my parents had left long before the date i say i'm reading it for the first time ~

There are collected stories freely downloadable

MRJ might be the only author where I have a sudden luddite desire to claim that there's no substitute for reading him on paper. There is or was a cheapo wordsworth classics edition of the complete ghost stories, which has all but three.

There's a run of stories towards the end that up till now have never left any impression on my memory - An Episode of Cathedral History, The Story of a Disappearance and an Appearance, Two Doctors, The Haunted Dolls' House, The Uncommon Prayer-Book. Just reread them all and I would need some convincing that this isn't the weakest set of the bunch.

An Episode of Cathedral History: this is good and important (= i have a *theory* abt it which i am waiting to deploy on freaky trigger).

All the others have one perfectly formed memorably nasty element but are otherwise slight (two doctors, which is largely period pastiche), formally a repeat (dolls house, as he admits), erm not un-racist (prayerbook), or technically flawed (disappearance, which i remain fond of for the punch-and-judy stuff).

caveat: i am the biggest MRJ-stan on the board and basically he did NOTHING BAD and EVERYTHING IS GOOD shut up

also ledge is clearly setting djh up for some kind of sacristan-style business with his "read it in an actual book"

one reason i like the copy i've downloaded is it collects everything and has James's introductions to the original published volumes.

There is or was a cheapo wordsworth classics edition of the complete ghost stories, which has all but three.

that's collected not complete, which sounds less oxymoronish. it has this cover, which is a perfect evocation of the jamesian atmosphere, if not quite enough to inspire the terror of the sacristan:

http://www.fineartprintsondemand.com/artists/grimshaw/moonlight_walk-400.jpg

i have a *theory* abt it which i am waiting to deploy on freaky trigger

only five others to go first eh

ghost story anthologists love a john atkinson grimshaw - quite a few examples iirc.

oxymoronish oxymoranic obv, xp to self.

haha i have a social history of the london context of jack the ripper with a john atkinson grimshaw, called -- with a degree of bathos -- after the shower

only five others: actually it's the next one to go up (but the writer -- not me -- hasn't finished it)

good to hear the series is being exhumed yet again.

All the others have one perfectly formed memorably nasty element

i am willing to forgive a lot in james if there is one perfectly formed memorably nasty element but to me that is just where these are lacking. two doctors is also exceedingly obscure, googling 'bedstaff' does not help much.

This reminds me that I started jumping around in my various Penguin collections of a similar vintage (Machen, Dunsany, Clark Ashton Smith) and never returned to James. I shall have to do that.

the chrysalis! the chrysalis!

i have no idea what a bedstaff is, tbh i picture a big stick with a bedsheet nailed to it and move on

i could list the moments i mean (w/o looking them up) but it's a bit spoilery and unfair to djh

I have a collection of his stuff but never really got far into it. What's a really great one to start?

despite the various opinions here, including that he gets deeper and richer as he goes on, which is right i think, i'm not sure it really matters? If I remember rightly I picked up his stories (the first copy i had was Ghost Stories of an Antiquary and More Ghost Stories, and I just picked stuff I liked the look of. then re-read every winter. Have read all of them now I think (inc those not collected in the collected).

i'd be hesitant to tell you start with my favourites, partly because getting into him and his tone i think means you savour the best even more. would for this reason say 'just start with Canon Alberic's Scrap-Book and go from there where your nose takes you' but as you've presumably already done that, then pluck one you like the title of.

christ my use or rather abuse of brackets is a constant source of shame.

The titular(*) whistle is basically a supernatural equivalent of "Do not throw stones at this notice".

(*) noun/verb confusion notwithstanding

i've always imagined that the Templars or whoever originally made it had some way of managing whatever it summoned

I picked up a cheapo best-of reprint this weekend and am looking forward to reading it. Some Gerhard-style crosshatch illustrations throughout.

This seems like an interesting writeup by P Fitzgerald but am avoiding until I've read some of the stories.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2000/dec/23/fiction.books

There's a good and complimentary biography review in the lrb, and a bad and dismissive review of the collected stories which overplays the fear of sex angle. Both paywalled but here's a bit of the latter:

We don’t need to have read any of the Freud which James would have run several miles from to interpret what Mr Dunning in ‘Casting the Runes’ finds when he puts his hand into the well-known nook under his pillow: ‘What he touched was, according to his account, a mouth, with teeth, and with hair about it, and, he declares, not the mouth of a human being.’

Jones [sic]detects a vagina dentata

I'm gonna go with 'nope' there.

i've always imagined that the Templars or whoever originally made it had some way of managing whatever it summoned

The fur/fla/fle/bis inscription, likely translation "oh thief, you will blow it, you will weep" suggests otherwise, that it was made simply to punish and not even to protect any other treasure.

Martin's Close on bbc 4 at 10pm tonight. I might be asleep by then...

(can't place this one...)

it's the one that's a report of a trial, the ghost is a spurned and drowned woman with learning difficulties iirc. definitely not top tier.

It's from "More..." but still unfamiliar. Maybe that'll make for a better TV experience.

I had a bunch of the 15 minute radio versions from bbc4extra and they'd shuffle up whilst jogging around the park and really kill the mood.

Dunno if I'll see it tonight or catch up on iplayer over the holiday. 30 minutes seems a bit skimpy, we don't get them very often so a 45 minute film would've been nice. Most adaptations bar Jonathan Miller's aren't exactly formally daring tho

it's one of my favourite stories in the books but as a version it wasn't great:they played judge jeffreys as a twerp, where i think he shd be irresponsible playful and funny but switching on the instant to scary and sinister -- p sure he commanded his courtrooms, which this guy really didn't :(

oh and the line-reading of "with a knife value a penny" was wrong -- this isn't meant dismissively, it's simply a record of the worth of the object by which the murder was done, as routinely entered in judicial records of crimes committed

viz per the medieval death bot tumblr FAQ, for the question (no.2) Why is the price of this thing mentioned?

"That thing – be it a pot or a knife – is called a deodand and it’s something that is believed to have caused the death of an individual. The price of each deodand is appraised and gathered for the crown’s treasury. The crown was then supposed to use this money for pious means, in the light that a deodand is, in purest form, something forfeited to god. The deodand was either paid by someone in the village or taken out of the deceased’s chattels."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deodand

They also skipped the bit about john martin's name being spelt wrong on the indictment which I think gives a good indication of his deceitful character and desperation, as well as hanging over the story like a chekhov's shotgun only to misfire at the end.

Yeah maybe the Beeb should let somebody less basic than Gattis have a go next time. This was mostly not quite adequate.

i liked the dark pokeyness of the inn but not so much the windowed smallness of the court (which i guess i imagined wd be more rumpole-esque)

there's some nice annotative details here at rosemary pardoe's pleasingly nerdy james fansite: including a note on the misspelling legal claim which ledge mentions, pointing out that this is almost certainly a reference to a similar occurrence and claim in the 1660 trial of the regicide henry marten/martin (which claim failed, tho marten was not in fact executed, partly thanks to his courageous and able self-defence)

MRJ's curious little legal history in-joke here is one of several things that make me think something is going on in his mind during this story which is not set out clearly: viz the date of the martin's close trial and martin's execution (via clues in the text) = late 1684, towards the very end of charles ii's reign (viz its 36th year, as measured from the death of charles i -- i.e. excluding the cromwellian interregnum). charles ii's successor, his brother james ii, acceded to the thone in feb 1685. the monmouth rebellion against james took place in the west country (= very much round where this story is set) this same summer, followed by the bloody assizes that made judge jeffrey's reputation, the grim consequence of this rebellion's defeat.

(the titus oates trial mentioned above -- actually a retrial -- also took place in earlyish 1685…)

all this (IMO) is mood music is MRJ's head during this story -- as jeffreys' backstory -- but very little of it is mentioned clearly and so i don't really know what to make of it all lol

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000cn0h

Ghost Stories From Ambridge: Lost Hearts

On a biting December night, Jim Lloyd enthrals Ambridge residents with the story of a young boy who arrives at the house of his generous benefactor to find all is not as it seems.

https://unbound.com/books/casting-the-runes/

Crowdfunding for a book of his letters

weird that this hasn't been done already

Yeah, some editions of his books have several letters included but it is weird there was never a dedicated book.

I've had the Collected for years but never read it. Reading a story a night and thoroughly enjoying myself. I've just finished the Ash Tree, which creeped the shit out of me. I'm also following along with the Freaky Trigger marginalia and thoroughly enjoying these, too. Hat-tip to Mark.

Stalls of Barchester on bbc4 tonight, 22:15 and which, according to iplayer, hasn't been broadcast since Christmas eve 1971, but i don't know how accurate that is.

(opposite it on ch5 is a ghost story about an antique book dealer...)

Mark V pitches in:

Thirty years ago this year, Rosemary Pardoe published The James Gang – A Bibliography of Writers in the M.R. James Tradition (1991). This provided a checklist of books and stories following in the antiquarian ghost story form perfected by James, as well as those (not necessarily in that style) by his circle of friends. Hugh Lamb, who had drawn up a “James List” for his own use in 1973, provided an introduction.

This soon became an invaluable reference source for any enthusiast repining that James’ stories are all very well, but there just aren’t enough of them. Rosemary has said she would like to see the list updated with similar work published since her list—but is not volunteering to do it! There would certainly be a lot more to list, not least because of Rosemary’s own work with the Ghosts & Scholars journals and anthologies.

The James Gang is organised alphabetically by author surname, but I thought it would also be interesting to arrange the main items (not all of them) chronologically, to get a sense of how the Jamesian story developed. I have here focused on books, or groups of stories, rather than individual stories, though these are included in the original booklet.
Here 'tis:
http://wormwoodiana.blogspot.com/2021/11/a-chronology-of-writers-in-m-r-james.html

Seems like she should have found another title: Thee M.R. The Merrier?

Bible Black and Starless? Geddit King James

Stalls of Barchester on bbc4 tonight, 22:15 and which, according to iplayer, hasn't been broadcast since Christmas eve 1971, but i don't know how accurate that is.

(opposite it on ch5 is a ghost story about an antique book dealer...)

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Def not accurate, I used to have it taped from a mid-2000s repeat.

well i've bookmarked that list anyway, hope it's full of people who are good like MRJ not just boring cargo cult MRJ *cough*Susan Hill*cough*

yeah i swear i've watched Barchester on TV in the last few years

watched "night of the demon" on friday courtesy my sister's BF's collection

superb combo of tourneur for spooky mis-en-scene in various diversity plus niall macginnis as karswell (everyone else might as well be bit parts but this doesn't matter) (exception: maurice denham, tho his part is over in moments)

• excellent deployment of "scary clown" trope
• the damaged local yokel whose hypno-testimony saves the good guys is named "rand hobart" lol (name is highly unjamesian; character is not his) (there's an oddly similar scene in quatermass and the pit two years later)
• the scene where holden encounters and is menaced by the rest of the farming family hobart is nevertheless tremendous
• there are no runes on stonehenge but #whocare
• the demon revealed remains adorable

That the demon is totally un-Jamesian goes without saying but that death scene is kind of horrific for 1957?

(Karswell's screams awoke traumatic memories of some of the deaths in the black and white Tarzan episodes that used to be in the 6 o'clock slot on, I think, BBC2.)

love the demon. such a good boy!

The Gatiss documentary is on BBC4 right now yay the darkness is encroaching

followed by two non-MR short stories, which is an odd choice (maybe talking pictures have the rights currently, they showed the usual ones at Christmas)

how was the doc?

a repeat. we've complained about it before, i'm sure

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03n2rnc/mr-james-ghost-writer

It's alright, the biographical stuff about Monty is good, Gatiss doesn't impose a grand theory on him, the clips of the 70s TV adaptations are fine, the chat about the TV adaptations is pretty dull. The lad playing Monty is a bit much maybe

I picked up a DVD of all of them, pre-Gatiss, this week. Has always been quite expensive but found it for about £20. Be nice watching them all free of YouTube.

I also found, after some digging, an interview with Gatiss that confirms he's doing one this year.

https://worldscreen.com/tvdrama/mark-gatiss-talks-the-ghost-stories-franchise/

His description here sounds a bit like E Nesbit - Man Sized In Marble, but we shall see. Her horror stories are amazing, would be brilliant for this series.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Ghost_Story_for_Christmas

Wikipedia confirms it is! I wish this wasn't Gatiss but it still should be great.

In her final days, E. Nesbit (whose Man-sized in Marble this drama is adapted from) recounts the chilling tale of newlywed Victorians Jack and Laura. As they settle into a small cottage in a quiet village, they find their idyll overshadowed by the superstitious warnings of their housekeeper, regaling the legend of the two marble tomb effigies who are said to rise one night each year. Jack dismisses the story as folklore ramblings. But as the fateful night draws near, he makes a terrifying discovery. Back at the cottage, Laura is all alone...

i'm sure i've read that one tho not for a long time. i remember it being a good one

yeah i've never really read a bad one of hers. some of them are absolutely terrifying. i was rereading some of her stuff this weekend just gone... the shadow is the one i always think about.

OK I'll definitely try those, I've only read her children's stories but the ugly-wugglies in the enchanted castle are truly creepy.

only to echo LG: e nesbit horror stories are fantastic. but i really can’t abide gatiss’ brightly lit and jaunty approach. i’m sure it might work in some hands but he just comes across as relentlessly not-good-enough.

i mean this is rich - he’s clearly a multi-talented, interested and energetic contributor to television and his enthusiasms. but i do just mean i find it all not good enough, not quite getting at the mystery.

yeah i feel like he is gonna have that kinda nudge winky feeling he's had so far and sort of ruin the vibe a bit.

whereas the only funny thing about e nesbit's stories is how relentlessly bleak they are.

i mean i definitely laugh a little bit when the story begins with 'they talk about death being cold. it’s life that’s the cold thing' or whatever.