You need a spice eating monster to bend you some extra time.
I should go back and read Dune again as I remember loving it then devouring the sequels - though they never quite lived up to the first one.
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Friday, 6 March 2009 16:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Failing that, retirement, at least by the time I hit 80. Disability?
― Beth Parker, Saturday, 7 March 2009 00:05 (fifteen years ago) link
reading the first one again 4 the first time since i was like 12 or 13 ... so so dope
― i got nothin (deej), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 08:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Dune is a classic, even outside of its narrow genre.
Has anyone read the sequels written by Frank Herbert's son and a co-author? I assume they're terrible. (TBH, I thought the last book or two in the series by Frank Herbert were borderline-terrible, e.g., God Emperor of Dune).
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 20 October 2009 10:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah they're awful, the old man and woman at the end of Chapterhouse are not intelligent face dancers but AI survivors from the butlerian jihad
Also Heretics and Chapterhouse are awesome novels but there are inexplicable elements in them that don't seem to blend well with the earlier stories but perhaps that's because i never finished reading God Emperor which is quite boring
― Obamacare Death Panel for Cutie (wssp), Thursday, 22 October 2009 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, IIRC, nothing happens in God Emperor. Lotsa "thinking" and "plotting."
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 22 October 2009 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Guild Navigators are REAL!!!http://cache.boston.com/universal/bigpicture/13_200716.jpg
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link
(My nerdiest post ever? No, it's probably something to do with Starfleet Battles)
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link
ilx is very booknerd today.
― thomp, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/259/godemp.jpg
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Hmm, did a search and thought this was an ILE thread...
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Hey so, is there really any reward in reading past the first one? I've read it maybe three times over the last, let's say 10-12 years...I like a lot of the Big Ideas (mainly the whole notion of a character realizing he is the Prophesied Chosen One and being really freaked out about it), but the characters/plot sort of ooze together in the last third or so and I've just never been tempted by the sequels - they feel like cash-ins, but are they?
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 4 December 2009 10:37 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.moongadget.com/origins/dune.html
An awesome seriously in-depth looks at the Origins of the Book.
― WTF cat with unfitting music (kingfish), Friday, 23 April 2010 19:22 (fourteen years ago) link
really loved the first one and the fourth (god emperor of dune). The Brian Herbert ones are uniformly terrible.
― toastmodernist, Friday, 23 April 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Before I read it, Dune always had a certain mystique to me. That was the result of some combination of the cover, the fact that my older sister had a copy of it and spoke reverently of it, and my failed attempt to read it when I was too young. (I really couldn't handle long-playing novels until I was in 7th, maybe 8th grade, and still didn't read many then.) When I finally read it many years later, I definitely enjoyed it, but I couldn't get into whatever the followup was. I wasn't that thrilled with Herbert's writing even in Dune, but the story and the whole framework carried it for me.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 24 April 2010 04:07 (fourteen years ago) link
rereading these right now
there is such a dropoff in quality between dune and dune messiah
about to start children of dune, remember it being better, hopefully?
― dayo, Thursday, 7 July 2011 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
he really is just making this stuff up as he goes, huh
― dayo, Wednesday, 13 July 2011 12:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I remember liking all the sequels I read (up to God Emperor, which is teh total amaze).
but cripes, that God Emperor cover above is astonishing.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 1 September 2011 12:27 (thirteen years ago) link
rereading dune! can't figure out why these are so eminently rereadable to me, but i've read them a million times. even though there's a bunch of stuff that would normally make me not like it, somehow the story makes it all ok.
― rayuela, Friday, 30 March 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
finally got the dune encyclopedia, what's the best way to read this shit?
― the late great, Friday, 30 March 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
http://lparchive.org/Dune/Update%2001/51-vyrw2f.gif
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 April 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
skinless gifs
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 16 April 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
what game is that from?
― the late great, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
Dune the PC Game. I'm on a Let's Play roll these days.
http://lparchive.org/Dune/
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
is that the isometric RTS one, where you pick one of three houses?
i don't recall the screen looking quite like that but its been, oh, about 20 years since i've played
― the late great, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
(that link is blocked for me)
I think you're thinking of Dune 2, which was a strategy game. The first is an adventure game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JROGmTAnS-g
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
that dune gif is offtm because a sandworm would have disposed of the body long before it could decompose
― dayo, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
dune 2 was sweet as hell
― the late great, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
never played dune 1, will dosbox
oh wow i just looked at the top of the thread - didn't remember i had started it!
― the late great, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
it's nice to read some people talking about how they like the Dune sequels. So I am not alone in the world. But I never finished Heretics or started Chapterhouse.
I am very envious of anyone who has that Dune Encyclopedia. I remember marvelling at it in shops.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
they have some good parts but as a whole they are not that great, honestly
my dune encyclopedia is a PDF ;_;
― the late great, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
I take it that all the prequels etc. by Norbert Herbert are complete nonsense?
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
depends how much you like things like licensed star wars or star trek novels
but yeah IMO utter shite
― the late great, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
i mean i think like SW or ST novels they have little in the way of the spark of creativity that made the originals great and they are basically just boilerplate sci-fi stuff w a thin layer of in-universe flavor on top
― the late great, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
I never knew about the dune encyclopedia! Any good?
I plowed thru the first 3 books in my reread. Books 2 and 3 are much worse than I remember, but something abt this series requires that once I start reading, I have to read it through its entirety... I recall the last two being a return to the quality of book 1 so am curious to see how I feel about it this time around.
― rayuela, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
relieved to be finished with god emperor of dune so i no longer have to stand around in the subway trying to hid the crazy looking cover...
― rayuela, Thursday, 26 April 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
http://images.wikia.com/dune/images/b/b6/God_Emperor_of_Dune_Cover_Art.jpg
― rayuela, Thursday, 26 April 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
is it weird that I really love Herbert's prose in Dune? feel like a lot of people arent into it but i love it, his descriptions of topography feel like action even when its purely descriptive
― supreme problematics (D-40), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 08:49 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, "planetary romance, " like it says on the Science Fiction Encyclopedia site: not that much science, but what there is (re early use of ecological themes in SF, anyway) enhances the power of the setting, which is also a character, in effect. Really enjoyed the first two books all through, rooting for the rebellious children of Destiny, but the struggles of the main character in Children of Dune, trying to make (a new) sense of his future(s) get so torturous and sometimes inchoate--appropriately so, but still it got to be too much for me: like, how much of this is to be sympathized with, and waited out, 'til we get to the cool plot twists again---and they do come!--but also, wondering how much we're supposed to take as stunning insights, rather than characters grasping at straws. (Also, some of the secondary and tertiary characters can make pretty stupid moves).My recent thoughts on God Emperor of Dune, and what might lie ahead, are general impressions, though still may possibly be considered spoilery:ThReads Must Roll: the new, improved rolling fantasy, science fiction, speculative fiction &c. thread
― dow, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 19:37 (nine years ago) link
just finished Dune, read it for the first time. Honestly....I really enjoyed reading this, but the ending seemed kind of dud. Everything seemed to wrap up really quickly without too terribly much struggle. And Paul strikes me as kind of a dick. Will reading Children of Dune make me happier?
― Dominique, Thursday, 22 September 2016 17:25 (eight years ago) link
Dune Messiah is the second,Children is third, incl. in quality, though it has its strong sections/pages. But If you don't already sympathize with Paul's struggles vs. his fucked-with nature and destiny, go no further (if you do, God Emperor mostly smells like ass, Heretics of Dune is yer Return To Form, but not enough to send me in a timely fashion to Chapterhouse: Dune, the last Dune by series creator Frank Herbert. But I'll get there someday, and could see how the follow-ups written and co-written by his son might work okay as space opera, minus any overload of philosophical etc. elements.
― dow, Thursday, 22 September 2016 18:37 (eight years ago) link
thanks -- yeah, most of the time I rooted for him, but some of the time it was clear he was just as capable of being corrupted by power as anyone else. He struggled with it, but also took advantage of his power at times (and also seemed to have an inability to actually deal with the bad stuff that happened to him, other than just shutting it out completely). I guess that's the point? I've also read that in further books, characters that were once "villains" can become more sympathetic.
― Dominique, Thursday, 22 September 2016 20:23 (eight years ago) link
Yes, they can---they're all crazy, fucked-with and fucking with, in the cultural midst of cultural imperatives---even the God Emperor means to gradually implode the Order of Things by advancing it, teaching "Don't Follow Leaders, Watch The Parking Meters", but sure does take him a long time, and even though as a comic premise it's funny that he likes torture his followers with huge clouds of philosophical bullshit---like he's Mr. Natural, and everbody else, incl. loyal readers, is Flakey Foont, or Dudley Moore in "Bedazzled"---this isn't as good. But as one of the fucked-with Children of Dune he's more sympathetic. And I'd like to know just how the Bene Gesserit got that way, but anyway they do indeed try to save the day in Heretics--maybe trying too hard in Chapterhouse, judging by sneak peaks, but that tends to the Dune way (incl. that of its creator) after all.
― dow, Thursday, 22 September 2016 21:21 (eight years ago) link
in the culturalmidst, I meant
― dow, Thursday, 22 September 2016 21:23 (eight years ago) link
THE ONLY GOOD ONLINE FANDOM LEFT IS DUNE
https://theoutline.com/post/5333/dune-revival-2018-david-lynch?zd=2&zi=bljps3pa
― mookieproof, Saturday, 14 July 2018 20:18 (six years ago) link
Loving the critical reassessment of the Lynch film
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 July 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link
well, it's nowhere near as shit as the book
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 July 2018 20:27 (six years ago) link
I read the series way back in the 80s, but could barely recall it. Re-read the first book recently and was surprised how much I still liked it. Also re-read Dune Messiah, and that book is an utter mess. May still continue on, but I don't have high hopes for the rest.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 July 2018 22:44 (six years ago) link
it's a quick read and it sets up the events of Children of Dune, it just feels a bit pointless on its own, there isn't much of a story there
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 16 September 2021 22:21 (three years ago) link
Pinky nail summaries of all 24 books to date, in chrono order, no more spoilery than nec.:https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/books/g38012512/dune-books-in-order/
― dow, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 17:12 (two years ago) link
Dune is the ur-text of modern science fiction. It's rare to find a book that draws, successfully, on so many disparate ideas to form a coherent narrative.
Imho, the whole series is untouchable through God Emperor. He could have ended the entire saga there and left everyone satisfied. I understand that bills gotta be paid, though, and the last two books are not unreadable, they just don't add much, if anything, to the story.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 17:25 (two years ago) link
("nail" makes me think of Martin Luther)
― youn, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 18:15 (two years ago) link
just finished dune messiah and it was indeed as bad & pointless as i had been led to believe. after the epic sweep of dune this one felt weirdly stagebound, a tale of the galactic struggle for control of infinite cosmic spacetime that takes place entirely in like 3 different rooms, with what feels like only about 8 speaking parts altogether. but ironically i'm kind of more interested in getting to children of dune now just based on the prospect that it will surely be better than this one, and help me feel like the time spent on this one wasnt wasted.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 20 May 2022 16:40 (two years ago) link
no its good shut up
― mark s, Friday, 20 May 2022 17:15 (two years ago) link
Red Nation, radical indigenous presenters look at the Dune film from last year in terms of colonialism etc. https://open.spotify.com/episode/3eF0TJNCvx5rrrk0E4NwS6?si=49d64aed6f4348c1
― Stevolende, Monday, 13 June 2022 12:38 (two years ago) link
Leto II has total recollection of the memories of all his ancestors, which means that he remembers watching The Phantom Menace in theaters.— Mia Moore (@StopTweetingMia) October 12, 2022
― mark s, Wednesday, 12 October 2022 20:30 (one year ago) link
thought this made more sense here than the film threads on ILEhttps://fontsinuse.com/uses/43515/the-mystery-of-the-dune-font
― nashwan, Sunday, 29 January 2023 19:52 (one year ago) link
“Yueh! Yueh! Yueh!” goes the refrain. “A million deaths were not enough for Yueh!”
some ilx0r needs to create a song out of this imo
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 09:03 (ten months ago) link
Yueh Yuehohnohe gotta goAy ya hya chouhada
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 10:00 (ten months ago) link
heyyuehbaron’s got your wife nowdon’t you worry yueh
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 10:25 (ten months ago) link
🐦[Leto II has total recollection of the memories of all his ancestors, which means that he remembers watching The Phantom Menace in theaters.— Mia Moore (@StopTweetingMia) October 12, 2022🕸]🐦
― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 10:29 (ten months ago) link
a thing i like abt the acronym CHOAM is that what it stands for is really no less inscrutable = Combine Honnete Ober Advancer Mercantiles
― mark s, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 21:55 (seven months ago) link
Yeah that's David Foster Wallace level
― Nabozo, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 11:07 (seven months ago) link
found scribbled in blood on a scrap of paper as he emerged from a multi-week spice bender, soon after he found himself checked in at the group home
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 13:38 (seven months ago) link
the word "honnete" in my corporate acronym has people asking a lot of questions already answered by the word "honnete"
― mark s, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 13:42 (seven months ago) link
Kyle MacLachlan and Frank Herbert: The Boys pic.twitter.com/xcGURGQ4IL— Patrick (@Pilgrim945) August 25, 2021
― mookieproof, Thursday, 22 February 2024 00:53 (seven months ago) link
uniting eastern and western WA
― bae (sic), Thursday, 22 February 2024 07:29 (seven months ago) link
a prime up-the-arse corner candidate
― memphis milano: the new trend of the 80s (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 22 February 2024 09:22 (seven months ago) link
in the introduction to Dune Messiah, Brian Herbert claims, unprompted, that Frank Herbert would have been one of the all time great US Presidents (?) had he decided to do that instead of becoming a writer— caroline (going woman) (@soonrightaway) February 24, 2024
caroline (going woman) @soonrightaway: in the introduction to Dune Messiah, Brian Herbert claims, unprompted, that Frank Herbert would have been one of the all time great US Presidents (?) had he decided to do that instead of becoming a writer
― mark s, Saturday, 24 February 2024 16:12 (seven months ago) link
dune messiah continues to deliver
― mark s, Saturday, 24 February 2024 16:13 (seven months ago) link
Now I can't get the image of a sandworm with Trump's face on it out of my mind.
― you gotta roll with the pączki to get to what's real (snoball), Saturday, 24 February 2024 17:51 (seven months ago) link
spice force
― cozen itt (wins), Saturday, 24 February 2024 17:53 (seven months ago) link
Make Arrakis Great Again
― you gotta roll with the pączki to get to what's real (snoball), Saturday, 24 February 2024 17:56 (seven months ago) link
^^ https://www.tiktok.com/@loloverruled/video/7342915568074247454
― circles, Sunday, 10 March 2024 14:37 (six months ago) link