At 10:35 on an early summer's morning, John Lanchester sat down at his study desk, switched on his new Dell computer, opened up the word processing programme that the computer had come with and began

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Yes bonkerz is the mot juste.
This is absurd, just as Mark S says.
One can hardly think of two writers further apart.

I suppose the explanation is

a) MD was focused on 60s-70s, a period dear to GM

b) MD was writing about 'miasma' of contemporary history, confirming GM's sense of 'art as political statement'

c) above all, crucially, MD is English and GM perhaps has a tin ear across this cultural divide -- so he imagines that MD is the English Pynchon or Gaddis or perhaps Richard Yates -- as though I were to imagine that Garrison Keillor was the US Irvine Welsh. It is surely related to the fact that Americans take Nick Hornby seriously, and take G Dyer and Z Smith (who can both be very good) more seriously than we do.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 15:50 (eight years ago) link

Next week: Camilla Paglia on the Orphic power of Pamela Hansford Johnson.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 15:52 (eight years ago) link

Having read a handful of Carter novels I am doubtful that the novel is where she does best. Her last novel, always wildly praised, is particularly bad -- perhaps in part because she was ill when writing it.

Her approach to narrative can fall in with a general tendency of chortling garrulousness that I find generally a very bad thing for fiction - as in Rushdie and even, to some extent, one of the big problems with Finnegans Wake.

When she writes differently, more starkly for instance, she can be a bit better, but she is still often surprisingly cackhanded in basic ways.

I think for me her essays might be the best work. She was a pretty important commentator on style, gender, politics, linking these things together; that work seems to have some historical importance.

But I don't know the early Bristol-based novels and maybe they have something better to recommend them.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 15:56 (eight years ago) link

Next week: Camilla Paglia on the Orphic power of Pamela Hansford Johnson

tbf i wd read the fuck of that (once)

mark s, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 15:58 (eight years ago) link

out of that

mark s, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 15:59 (eight years ago) link

I wonder if people would bother to equate them at all were it not for Joe Strummer using the phrase "the ice age" in London Calling.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 17:36 (eight years ago) link

oddly enough big audio dynamite is named after a novel by a.s.byatt

mark s, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 18:05 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

someone on the thread i linked to said they skimmed an interview with JL in which he said his dad was a banker -- that's all the lead i have, it may be nonsense, he may be self-taught

basically if someone is not bothering to explore or explain the bits i think need explaining then i stop reading them -- i agree this is not the same as "knowing nothing" but for my purposes it is the same as "not knowing enough", since the bits i need to learn about are the bits not yet being explained properly

i could go back and reread whoops! and report to you exactly what those are but it seems a bit pointless, as you're obviously happy with what you're getting

mark s, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 18:33 (eight years ago) link

oops

mark s, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 18:33 (eight years ago) link

Ilxor poster oops?

Sketches by T-Boz (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 18:38 (eight years ago) link

only he can save me now

mark s, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 18:56 (eight years ago) link

nine months pass...

Taking on Facebook

Eazy, Thursday, 3 August 2017 16:52 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

a piece, in this week's New Yorker, unfurls with an almost fantastically Lanchesterian overexplanation of the term STEM: "Science and technology: we tend to think of them as siblings, perhaps even as twins, as parts of STEM (for “science, technology, engineering, and mathematics”)"

i cannot think of way to improve on this sentence as platonic lanchester

( ^_^) (Lamp), Monday, 11 September 2017 23:41 (seven years ago) link

Reading this thread for the first time was a fantastic way to spend the evening, thank you.

The New Yorker piece is indeed feeble:

Walter Benjamin, the great German Jewish cultural critic, who committed suicide while trying to escape Nazi-controlled Europe, said that “there is no document of civilization which is not at the same time a document of barbarism.” He meant that every complicated and beautiful thing humanity ever made has, if you look at it long enough, a shadow, a history of oppression. As a matter of plain historical fact, that seems right. It was a long and traumatic journey from the invention of writing to your book club’s discussion of Jodi Picoult’s latest.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 22:34 (seven years ago) link

thank fuck somebody was able to mansplain what Benjamin wrote

Cheds Baker (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 23:02 (seven years ago) link

three months pass...

it is with a certain amount of shame that i have to tell you that for well over a week now i have been aware that john lanchester has had published in the latest issue of the london review of books a short story by the name of 'Coffin Liquor'.

Since then I have done all I could to avoid reading it: I assiduously read other articles in the issue even one on Gordon Brown to tell myself that i had extracted all the worth that was to be had from it, I folded it and put it on the lower magazine shelf of the front-room table, eventually I removed the paper from the front room entirely, throwing it idly in a place i hoped i would forget, so like unpaid debts and avoided chores it has sat at the back of mind like an oppressive shadow.

Finally, and as 2017 draws to an inauspicious close, I feel it's time to start as i mean to go on, aware that if 2018 is going to be anything like an improvement on the scorched earth and wreckage of 2017, I must show the same sort of indefatigable spirit John Lanchester seems to be able to show.

So I'm going to read it LIVE on ILX now.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 14:38 (six years ago) link

I should say that I have no intent of deliberately guying lanchester, or mocking where mockery has not been earned. I'm not expecting fireworks, but equally it seems only reasonable to allow the possibility that it might be an unexceptionable piece of prose.

i will approach with the purest of intentions.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 14:40 (six years ago) link

just going to make a cup of tea.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 14:40 (six years ago) link

*settles in*

imago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 14:42 (six years ago) link

It was a darkening afternoon on the last day of the year 2017 A.D. and Noodle Vague sat down in his mother's living room and began reading the internet browsing program on his Toshiba Satellite laptop computer to discover what the celebrated London author John Lanchester had been up to lately.

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 14:45 (six years ago) link

great.

Coffin Liquor, by John Lanchester.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link

Monday

lol

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link

I realised things had gone wrong as soon as I arrived at my hotel. The receptionist spoke no English. Only when I showed them my passport did they seem to accept, with reluctance, that I had a booking. I was given a key and took my own bag upstairs. the room was a cramped, over furnished space with thin brown walls. On the desk was an envelope of conference materials including a laminated pass on a lanyard and a printed programme.

now i have to confess that my flatmate and friend, aware of the strong feelings lanchester provokes in me, had already read me this paragraph out loud before I had to ask him to stop. but we both noted that, although we both use hotels in our separate work very frequently, we have never ever encountered a receptionist who didn't speak English.

I do remember a place in Italy about twenty years ago, which was more of a boarding house, where the late night receptionist didn't speak any English, and where there was a gunshot in the middle of the night and loud shouting. But it wasn't the sort of place that would host a conference.

I note warily the Lanchester signature of non-specific descriptions of material contents, 'Laminated pass on a lanyard.'

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 14:53 (six years ago) link

i mean basically it already feels like one of those stories that once memorably caused a friend of mine to say to someone after they'd finished, 'I'm sorry I don't believe a word of it.' (Again, as I think I said upthread, he has a habit of making you exclaim 'No, they didn't, no you weren't, no it *wasn't*.')

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 14:55 (six years ago) link

Ok, he's at a conference that he feels he's been misled into attending.

The first talk on the first morning was titled 'What String Theorists Can Learn from Vlad the Impaler: Narrative, Belief and the Immanence of the Imperceptible'. The other events were given similar names and had the same preposterous emphasis on the idea of an engagement or 'conversation' between areas that are manifestly questions of proof and fact, on the one hand, and, on the other side, a degenerate mass of of whiffle and nonsense.

It brings to mind a line in the address on the liner notes of The Wonderful and Frightening World of The Fall: 'Forcedcomedy, Lancs.'

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 14:59 (six years ago) link

oh god he's a Sokal guy, of course he is

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:01 (six years ago) link

In short, I find I have been brought to this godforsaken country in Central Europe – I say godforsaken purely as a figure of speech – to attend a conference on the 'dialogue' (emetic term) between science and mythology under entirely false pretences. My views on this subject are well known.

ok, unreliable narrator. we must tread carefully. any pomposities or imbecilities of statement may not be the author's own. I do note the not all covert hostility, as in lol how funny this sort of thing is, to the notion of theory - let's make it look silly or small. This isn't a narratorial thing I think.

I get the feeling his dismissiveness may be intended to be of the same category as MR James' academics, and that there will be some supernatural happenings.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:04 (six years ago) link

yes! of course. xpost.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:05 (six years ago) link

Bah! I have to go out now.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:05 (six years ago) link

and regardless of it being a signal of the unreliable narrator, i don't think how godforsaken is used there is at all good. either in it being used in the first place, or how it is then reversed into irony.

taking it literally i suppose this is more indication that this will be a supernatural story.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link

it will be here when you get back, tom.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link

oh yeah, i have just remembered what "Coffin Liquor" means

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:08 (six years ago) link

Tom trudged out into the overcast late-afternoon pallor of a London New Year's Eve

imago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:08 (six years ago) link

he phones the organiser.

'I have been lured here under a pretext,' I said. 'My understanding was that this event would be an opportunity to explain my ideas and to point out the ways in which other people's beliefs are wrong. I now find this is not the case.

Swift or Myles this is not.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link

ok so it's a very heavy-handed satire of a Sokal guy, i'll let you off for now M. Lanchester

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:12 (six years ago) link

fiver says the narrator turns out to be called Dichard Rawkins

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:12 (six years ago) link

ok, so we know now this will be supernatural and the narrator is intended to be unreliable and pompous. so this sort of thing is probably fine?

I slept poorly. The atmosphere of this room is oppressive. The furniture is heavy but the walls are thin. The building creaks as it settles. The heating is set high and cannot be turned down...

this bit is very capital tho:

Breakfast was dark bread and black jam. Not bad.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:14 (six years ago) link

"Prof. Pritchard Hawkins to rezeption."

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:15 (six years ago) link

little bits of the lanchester gps approach to scene-setting appear:

The conference centre is a short walk away from the hotel, about four hundred metres.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:15 (six years ago) link

bit of tense oddity that i'm not feeling in the previous bit - "slept...is...are...creaks"

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:15 (six years ago) link

it is p tense amirite!

imago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:18 (six years ago) link

He was succeeded by a female Eastern European sociologist in early middle age who had hair with a coloured streak in it and purple glasses. Also bangles

...

As I made my way out of the room I found myself standing in front of the female sociologist. Under the circumstances, I felt it incumbent on me to say something about her talk. In a professional context, as a point of principle, I do not permit myself to dissemble my views. At the same time I am always scrupulously polite.

'You are stupid,' I said.

Irony is a delicate business, and stating the bleeding obvious, that last excerpt is really ill-judged. it's not at all funny, and its rudeness and stupidity bleeds through to the reader imo. also irony is obv a two-edged sword, and the targets of the unreliable narrator here are no less targets of the text. so that 'sociologist with bangles' really isn't very astute or amusing. it's very unfair to lanchester to compare him to swift - it would be unfair on anyone really - but the language of irony and satire needs to be language on a hair-trigger. you should feel the tension of wit. this is slack and does violence to the intelligence of the reader.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:25 (six years ago) link

it's also not something i would expect a human being to say to a stranger even in the context of academia, think he's been on Twitter too long

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:31 (six years ago) link

good point about the tenses, it was nagging at me as well.

The heating is set high and cannot be turned down, and when I opened a window I was greeted by intermittent carousing from the street outside. An uncomfortable night. Breakfast was dark bread and black jam. Not bad. A number of other guests were eating the meal on their own; I surmise that they too are conference attendees.

it's a mixture of past simple and present simple, which I think is ok for diary observations, which is how this is structured? 'surmise' is a bit wobbly there, as present simple is something either factual or that he is thinking while writing the diary. it should be 'surmised' or 'I think', but it's just about allowable as a piece of narratorial pomposity.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:34 (six years ago) link

i mean this whole piece is pretty hoary tbh. cat person it is not.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:34 (six years ago) link

The closest was a famous church and graveyard of both architectural and historical consequence.

i mean i don't really want to read these words even as parody.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:36 (six years ago) link

the tenses might be pointing towards our narrator turning out to be in some kind of limbo state, it feels too calculated to be simply accidental. we shall see!

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:39 (six years ago) link

his agent or somebody should really tell him to cut it out with this shit tho

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:40 (six years ago) link

ha ha, something's gone a bit wobbly here again:

I decided to take the opportunity for a little sightseeing. I had brought the guidebook and there was a selection of places of interest within convenient walking distance of the hotel. The closest was a famous church and graveyard of both architectural and historical consequence. I took some refreshment at a café in a side street and wandered through the paved lanes towards my intended destination. This is the medieval part of town. The buildings were close on either side; many of them had arcades for, according to the guidebook, the dual purpose of keeping off summer sun and winter rain.

That should be 'the buildings are close on either side'. also, 'my intended destination' and very much 'the dual purpose' are superfluous, and really cumbersome. this is pure lanchester. so laboured and cack-handed.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:42 (six years ago) link

one of those passages where you feel a good editor would have edited it down to 0.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:43 (six years ago) link


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