At 10:35 on an early summer's morning, John Lanchester sat down at his study desk, switched on his new Dell computer, opened up the word processing programme that the computer had come with and began

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it is p tense amirite!

imago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:18 (six years ago) link

He was succeeded by a female Eastern European sociologist in early middle age who had hair with a coloured streak in it and purple glasses. Also bangles

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As I made my way out of the room I found myself standing in front of the female sociologist. Under the circumstances, I felt it incumbent on me to say something about her talk. In a professional context, as a point of principle, I do not permit myself to dissemble my views. At the same time I am always scrupulously polite.

'You are stupid,' I said.

Irony is a delicate business, and stating the bleeding obvious, that last excerpt is really ill-judged. it's not at all funny, and its rudeness and stupidity bleeds through to the reader imo. also irony is obv a two-edged sword, and the targets of the unreliable narrator here are no less targets of the text. so that 'sociologist with bangles' really isn't very astute or amusing. it's very unfair to lanchester to compare him to swift - it would be unfair on anyone really - but the language of irony and satire needs to be language on a hair-trigger. you should feel the tension of wit. this is slack and does violence to the intelligence of the reader.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:25 (six years ago) link

it's also not something i would expect a human being to say to a stranger even in the context of academia, think he's been on Twitter too long

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:31 (six years ago) link

good point about the tenses, it was nagging at me as well.

The heating is set high and cannot be turned down, and when I opened a window I was greeted by intermittent carousing from the street outside. An uncomfortable night. Breakfast was dark bread and black jam. Not bad. A number of other guests were eating the meal on their own; I surmise that they too are conference attendees.

it's a mixture of past simple and present simple, which I think is ok for diary observations, which is how this is structured? 'surmise' is a bit wobbly there, as present simple is something either factual or that he is thinking while writing the diary. it should be 'surmised' or 'I think', but it's just about allowable as a piece of narratorial pomposity.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:34 (six years ago) link

i mean this whole piece is pretty hoary tbh. cat person it is not.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:34 (six years ago) link

The closest was a famous church and graveyard of both architectural and historical consequence.

i mean i don't really want to read these words even as parody.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:36 (six years ago) link

the tenses might be pointing towards our narrator turning out to be in some kind of limbo state, it feels too calculated to be simply accidental. we shall see!

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:39 (six years ago) link

his agent or somebody should really tell him to cut it out with this shit tho

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:40 (six years ago) link

ha ha, something's gone a bit wobbly here again:

I decided to take the opportunity for a little sightseeing. I had brought the guidebook and there was a selection of places of interest within convenient walking distance of the hotel. The closest was a famous church and graveyard of both architectural and historical consequence. I took some refreshment at a café in a side street and wandered through the paved lanes towards my intended destination. This is the medieval part of town. The buildings were close on either side; many of them had arcades for, according to the guidebook, the dual purpose of keeping off summer sun and winter rain.

That should be 'the buildings are close on either side'. also, 'my intended destination' and very much 'the dual purpose' are superfluous, and really cumbersome. this is pure lanchester. so laboured and cack-handed.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:42 (six years ago) link

one of those passages where you feel a good editor would have edited it down to 0.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:43 (six years ago) link

i'm going to get a an oatmeal cracker and some cheese. brb.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:44 (six years ago) link

i've been rereading M.R. James over the last couple of weeks and i think i can hear him spinning from here

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 15:45 (six years ago) link

A decrepit stone arch ... opened onto an oblong patch of crammed, stacked graves. They were so densely pressed together that they seemed to be squeezing against one another, as only living things can. Some of them protruded sideways and upwards at erratic angles, like a mouthful of unstraightened teeth.

ok this is bad. 'as only living things can' is absurd, he means 'like living things', I think, if he means anything at all. taken as it is it implies graves are generically living things. the fact that he's trying to suggest malevolence, that these graves *are* living (when normally they are not) has as a consequence been confused.

that 'unstraightened teeth' is a balls up as well. for a start it's a f'ing cliche (but well, here we are). but also, 'unstraightened' is wrong. it should be 'crooked'. 'unstraightened' is very lol middle-class father perspective of dentristy. 'all crookedness is as yet unstraightened godliness.'

this incompetence with metaphor is also pure lanchester. he just simply doesn't understand how it works, frankly. it's incredible that he lacks a basic skill of imaginative writing.

of course these graves in this churchyard also show a fundamental lack of imagination, so we have a few problems here obv.

i mean i feel a bit bad, this is clearly meant to be a harmless festive bagatelle. but it's irritating.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:00 (six years ago) link

an old woman in a shawl sat on a chair by the entrance to the graveyard.

-_-

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:03 (six years ago) link

i'm a little confused about the graves' stackedness? coffins, sure, but graves?

you're right, this is blasting away at fish in a little sandcastle bucket but he's getting paid and there are loads of writers who are good at this who he could copy from.

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:04 (six years ago) link

The church had strong historic associations with a monstrous feudal overlord of the town. The count had been a famous torturer, whose favourite practice was to exlinguate his victims (this being the leaflet's term for cutting out tongues, a neologism, I suspect)...

i feel like i'm on a long and arduous walk.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:06 (six years ago) link

Count Magnus this is not.

and yes, he's manipulating cliches so his imagery is fucked. he hasn't actually tried to visualise what he's saying.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:07 (six years ago) link

i mean it is remarkable how a little bit of picking apart destabilises the meaning of any of the words. it's a lanchester speciality.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:08 (six years ago) link

we've given up on the comedy scientism now i take it

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:08 (six years ago) link

there's a stretch of very dull scientism, neither comedy nor parody, but just reiteration of a fairly standard rubric. I was going to pass over it, but since you asked:

He and a large number of his victims were buried in the graveyard outside. His activities supposedly continued after his death.

It goes without saying I was sceptical. I am familiar with the scientific explanation of this and similar narratives. A rash of deaths – their real cause inevitably viral or bacteriological – affects a place. Explanations are sought, and found in the arenas of legend and superstition and dream. A panic begins. Since the living are victims, the perpetrators must be found among the dead. Exhumations take place. Some bodies are found to have characteristics indicating postmortem existence – for instance, hair and fingernails that appear to have grown. In other cases the liquefaction of improperly preserved corpses leads to the creation of the substance known as 'coffin liquor'. As a result, in some crypts, coffins appear to have moved or burst. Supernatural phenomena are credited as the cause. Fear and superstition triumph over science, and myths are born.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:14 (six years ago) link

lol

I went back out into the graveyard. The sky had clouded over, and full dark was imminent.

what the fucking fuck.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link

yeah you had to quote the bit with the title in it

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link

I went to the place where the count had been tortured, partially dismembered, had his tongue cut out and then been thrown into a pit

bzzzzt! repetition.

also struggling with 'partially dismembered' - can't tell whether it's ok or not due to the temporary aneurysm reading lanchester gives you.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:20 (six years ago) link

i did xpost. you suspect he read about coffin liquor and then a very dim wattage light bulb came on over his head.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:21 (six years ago) link

The story was graphically, too graphically, told on the leaflet, which interspersed genuine information with fantasy about the count's supposed supernatural manifestations. Without the leaflet one would have known nothing of this.

a) can i read the leaflet plz
b) that last sentence - well no, i mean, what? it reminds me of trying to read quite simple things when hungover. you find yourself thinking 'hang on, does that make sense or not?'

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link

ok i suppose this bit is important, grinding as it is:

It was this thought that gave me my brilliant idea. I could choose not to be in the conference by not being there, but perhaps i could also choose not to be at the conference even while i was there. I could go into a form of internal exile. The medium for doing so was simple: the translator's earpiece. One was supposed to plug these into a small radio, not much larger than a box of matches, and listen to the approved feed of the conference. But there was nothing to stop one from plugging the earpiece into a different device, a smartphone, say, and, instead of listening to sociological flummery about canon formation and the structure of myth, hear something interesting and intelligent.

i mean he's basically talking about plugging headphones in here isn't he? also he doesn't mean 'translator's earpiece', a confusing perhaps semi-legitimate piece of compression. i'm ignoring the last bit. even as a piece of narratorial colour, it's tiring and shit. your unreliable narrator is still a character ffs, and this is dire, very in the mould of Capital characters.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link

An excellent plan. I took out my mobile and opened the Audible app.

Yes! Back of the net.

A number of audiobooks were on offer at a special price

Aaah, it's like relaxing into a warm bath.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:37 (six years ago) link

lol

imago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:38 (six years ago) link

what if his intentions were tier-2 satire all along

what if john lanchester has always been a shitposter

imago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:39 (six years ago) link

well in a sense he's coming home - The Debt to Pleasure was all about the unreliable narrator. I mean i thought it was ok when I read it, but i was also 16 or so, and given the conspicuous shitness of this, i'm wondering if wasn't very good after all.

again, i worry i'm loading too much on it - if i just read through it in a spare moment it would be relatively unobjectionable. but there are so many questions you find yourself asking that your entire notion of what fiction is, what it consists of, starts coming undone.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:45 (six years ago) link

i'm going to get a beer, and do a bit more, but i think this is going to need to extend into two sessions tbh. liveblogging reading lanchester turns out to be more time consuming than anticipated.

why the fuck am i doing this.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:46 (six years ago) link

i wonder if it would be worth reading 'one of the classics' with a similar semantic regard...lanchester lends himself very well to this sort of deconstruction, mind - it might end up being arduous in a different sense

imago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:49 (six years ago) link

i'm currently reading 'decline and fall' - my first waugh, amazingly - and ofc finding it hilarious & true - and while he is no grand stylist he has a comic terseness - the notes you don't play etc - that bulwarks himself against such prying. trying to think of published satire that overreaches quite like lanchester - it's hard

imago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link

i usually try to pay this level of attention to at least part of what i read. i remember doing it with Jane Austen, and you could take so much on a semantic level (i mean obviously she was a genius at it) that applied in a complex way to the book as a whole). likewise george eliot

I mean doing it with Lovecraft, for instance, might produce something unsympathetic and comical, which would ignore the substantial value of the thing as a whole.

with Capital, i just remember being incredulous, that it was impossible to ignore the semantic cackhandedness and failures of writing and intelligence. it draws attention to itself.

I must admit i sat down to this reading with a certain amount of 'let's take the piss out of lanchester' in my mind, but actually i find myself becoming irritated and surprised again at the sheer badness. And as NV said, he's getting paid for this shit. People are waving it through.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link

i would say waugh was a great stylist (unless by grand you mean in the style of 'grand novels', which, no, he definitely isn't). as someone once pointed out he could write an entire page of dialogue without any indication of who was speaking or how, and you would be able to follow it all the way through, both who was saying what and in what tone. Often the bits of speech would only be two or three words long.

Decline and Fall is a masterpiece of style I think. I mean, again, I'm not expecting Lanchester to be that, but its the egregiousness of his failure that is so galling.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link

i'm still sitting here mulling over 'and full dark was imminent'.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link

maybe it was immanent

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link

lol.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link

hold up, NV:

My mood called for something not-modern, something substantial; if the conference was to be the epic waste of time it promised to be, I would at least come back with some happy memory to show for it. Winter. Dickens. Yes. My finger hovered for a moment over A Christmas Carol, but although this would have been seasonally appropriate, I dislike the narrative apparatus of that particular tale. I have no interest whatsoever in the supernatural or the magical or any such claptrap. I despise myths and legends and their ilk. I believe that Richard Dawkins does not go nearly far enough when he says that astrologers should be prosecuted for fraud.

also this is very bad.

'a happy memory', or 'some happy memories', not 'some happy memory' you twat. that's not just a point of grammatical order, but sounds so silly as to be comical. again.

also yes yes we get it about the narrator's feelings about magic ffs.

Winter. Dickens. Yes.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:09 (six years ago) link

Instead, priests and imams and monks and rabbis from every religion should be thrown into prison, unless and until they can prove the truth of their claims.

do you think we could work up a fatwah on lanchester?

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:10 (six years ago) link

yes i did mean 'in the style of grand novels' - waugh was obviously in full control but not given to flights of verbiage. apologies for not making that clearer

imago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link

no what3words results for winter.dickens.yes, and yet

https://map.what3words.com/winter.chickens.keys

what's your game lanchester

imago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link

it takes a powerful writer to make me feel sympathetic towards Dawkins tbf to the boy Lanchester

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link

i think I'm going to need a break. the next (long) bit where he attempts to download Great Expectations to his phone while in the church is so bad that it's defeating me.

If it had been otherwise I would have waited until I was on wifi before downloading the book.

also

'Rău!' she said, shouting, pointing at my phone and then at the grave. 'Rău, rău, rău!'

https://youtu.be/WQreH2QZ_zc

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link

haha

imago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link

… i woke up a year or so back mouthing the phrase "sarcophagous jelly"

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:49 AM (eleven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

>:(

mark s, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link

oof. sorry for your loss. live long enough and you will live to see your dreams turned into laboured less good versions of themselves for the literary journal reading public.

Fizzles, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link

i wonder if it would be worth reading 'one of the classics' with a similar semantic regard...

i've close-read a bunch of (since his shade is apparently being downloaded in vain) m. r. james on freaky trigger over the last few years and the most/worst you land on is odd lacunae in the plot -- sometimes actual errors, but just as often ambiguities, intended or otherwise, that deepen the story… but then james had a superb ear for mimicry, of a wide range of historical material (perhaps not working-class speech patterns lol), which served him well right down to the atomic level in his sentence-making. lanchester here is the epitome of "telling not showing" in the bad sense: basically bcz he has no such ear

mark s, Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link

au contraire, with the narrator he's doing an excellent job of mimicking a bad writer.

Here comes the phantom menace (ledge), Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:57 (six years ago) link

this story has prompted some jamesian close reading of my own so it's not all bad.

Here comes the phantom menace (ledge), Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link


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