Perry Anderson

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re letters: Yes, just one response so far in the LRB? Which made an OK point about retrospective insight into a body of work but was itself ultimately unconvincing. I mean this is literally laughable:

"Without the relation to Balzac, Proust’s project is both unintelligible and, to some extent, pointless."

We might as well all write in, one per issue, saying things like:

"We have forgotten Flaubert. He remains, of course, the master - and Proust's"

"Well and good. But the true wellspring of the Proustian ethos is, of course, Stendhal"

"That Proust is fundamentally unreadable without an expert knowledge of the Goncourts used to be well understood. No longer, to judge from the recent pages of the London Review"

the pinefox, Tuesday, 28 August 2018 11:11 (six years ago) link

this entire exercise is perry dodging the 91 balzac novels he knows he ought to have read (bcz marx) but hasn't

mark s, Tuesday, 28 August 2018 11:16 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

My game plan: read a million words of Powell, a million words of Proust, then some biographies & criticism. Eventually compose 8 or 9 tweets refuting Perry Anderson's views of both. Never say I don't work for you people.

— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) September 15, 2018

mark s, Saturday, 15 September 2018 22:37 (six years ago) link

jeet go on ilx

mark s, Saturday, 15 September 2018 22:37 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

ugh jeet he did a series on tweets on how Powell/that generation of writers had a 'thing' for Thatcher.

I revive with this New Yorker write-up on Spurling's biog, which made me think that oh of course Anderson doesn't even make an attempt at reviewing it.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 29 November 2018 22:29 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

The teratology of the contemporary political imagination – plentiful enough: Trump, Le Pen, Salvini, Orbán, Kaczyński, ogres galore – has acquired a new monster.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 31 January 2019 00:05 (five years ago) link

Guess who's back?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 31 January 2019 00:05 (five years ago) link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teratology

actually didn't know about the meaning of this word at all.

the pinefox, Thursday, 31 January 2019 10:39 (five years ago) link

Thanks for pulling that out PF. I can see how he comes off as pompous with his wider vocabulary, but in this instance it does the job.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 2 February 2019 18:10 (five years ago) link

Finished this tonight. It's not my idea of a very good PA essay.

The Lula material is partly reheated, simply in that he's written at length on Lula before (but not about his trial, successors, etc). He comes out as quite partisan for Lula's PT / workers' party - that's one of the things that most interests me about the essay. PA still has an ability to be very impressed by certain people, like the analyst he compares to Marx, and Lula himself.

But then the treatment of Bolsonaro: we get the standard PA problem that he hates 'bien pensants' more than anyone else, and is more keen to take swipes at them than to make any serious criticism of the political Right - in this case, by the sound of it, far Right. This particular strain of contrarianism is tired. The things that Bolsonaro has said and done, as I understand it so far, are worrying and dangerous towards several groups of people. PA makes light of most of this.

the pinefox, Friday, 8 February 2019 00:00 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

smh at everyone not knowing what teratology means, do you not read stephen jay gould ppl, everyone familiar* with the paling corpses of birth-dead monsters in 19th century pickle jars knows this word

*i mean like from books shut up

mark s, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 11:04 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

so far the feeblest response in the Discourse™ has been someone saying they always confuse him the grayson perry 😴 and the best someone saying they always confuse him with GERRY ANDERSON, which is correct bcz that's who he is

mark s, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 13:49 (four years ago) link

it's going on a bit this, on which page is the murderer revealed ?? ho ho ho

calzino, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 15:24 (four years ago) link

Is ukania named after kakania?

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 16:29 (four years ago) link

Sorry lol just saw the relevant footnote

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 16:30 (four years ago) link

The murderer was William Longshanks and the murder's been going on for 954 years amirite

Chip-vill-A (imago), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 16:36 (four years ago) link

it's a tom nairn gag but i'm sure there's some fancypants referent behind it, these lads go for miitteleuropa like incels on anime

mark s, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 16:37 (four years ago) link

This is a terrible pun, if Perry (or Nairn) took Cool Britannia as some sort of parallel campaign it would be worse.

(Also name drops Lampedusa's saying. Think I'm getting old)

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 18:25 (four years ago) link

ukania is from ruritania. it's a tom nairn joint

here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 19:08 (four years ago) link

ukania was my least favourite peter andre single

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 19:10 (four years ago) link

xp. and it's from the 60s iirc !

here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 19:13 (four years ago) link

ts: robert musil vs anthony hope, who do they want us to think they actually enjoy reading

tbf i wd totally binge on a massive lrb two-part perry polemic exploring why rupert of hentzau is better than remembrance of things past

mark s, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 19:21 (four years ago) link

(the woman anthony hope married had exactly the same name as my grandmother apparently)

mark s, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 19:22 (four years ago) link

nairn definitely uses it in the 1988 edn of the enchanted glass

mark s, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 19:23 (four years ago) link

"tbf i wd totally binge on a massive lrb two-part perry polemic exploring why rupert of hentzau is better than remembrance of things past"

*Todd Flanders voice* contrarianism makes baby Jesus cry.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 09:15 (four years ago) link

I learnt a new word, "indurate", thanks Perry Thomas Anderson!

Neil S, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 13:04 (four years ago) link

Sorry Perry, but to use one of your own favourite phrases, this is "total bollocks":

Passively mutinous under Thatcher, collusively supine under Blair and Brown, the liberal academy sprang to life not over the ref or Iraq but over Europe, once the Referendum on it was lost. At the oldest universities Remainer passions ran so high that the occasional Leaver misfit could become a social leper; at Cambridge, the Vice-Chancellor’s office censored unwelcome opinion with stone-walling worthy of the Writers’ Union under Brezhnev.

Neil S, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 13:14 (four years ago) link

And this is almost too on the nose:

As for the culture of the country in any wider sense, a symptomatic celebration of it came in 2015 from Dominic Sandbrook, whose Great British Dream Factory, hailing the matchless global success of its television series, detective stories, fantasy literature, pop music, children’s books, action films, science fiction etc. across five hundred pages, proudly announced: ‘I have stuck to the middle ground—the “middlebrow” some might say—and have deliberately not picked things that appeal only to self-styled intellectuals.

Neil S, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 13:20 (four years ago) link

I had insomnia last night and thought maybe this would bore me to sleep but I ended up a third of the way into it and enjoying it tbf.. And lol kept having to pause to learn new words that I have already forgotten.

calzino, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 14:03 (four years ago) link

oh it's great in its Perry Anderson way, but for someone who namedrops both Gramsci and Stuart Hall he really isn't interested in culture, middle-brow or otherwise, it seems to me

Neil S, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 14:08 (four years ago) link

except for anthonies powell and hope

mark s, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 14:10 (four years ago) link

maybe there is a case to be made that Ukania/UK/England/Britain/whatever is a fundamentally unserious place with little or no "high" culture (whatever that is "nowadays"), but if that is the case then Perry is either unable or uninterested in demonstrating it to be so. It's hardly like his wordcount is the problem!

Neil S, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 14:10 (four years ago) link

meanwhile twitter user tom gann suggested this poulantzas essay as a counter to some of anderson's non-cultural arguments:

I find it quite striking just doing a search of the new Anderson that there's no mention of the Poulantzas critique, which I think undoes a lot of the theoretical foundations of the Nairn-Anderson theses. https://t.co/KceX0rLBh9

— Tom Gann (@Tom_Gann) October 13, 2020

i haven't read it as i don't have time today and also a sub is required and i don't have that either currently

mark s, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 14:14 (four years ago) link

"maybe there is a case to be made that Ukania/UK/England/Britain/whatever is a fundamentally unserious place with little or no "high" culture (whatever that is "nowadays")"

Was in a convo with someone on twitter last week (that I am almost certain is younger than me) who was arguing this and using the lack of Brit film auteurs* and citing its poor literary culture. When I said how unique TV seemed to be in the kinds of programmes made in this country (up until recently anyway) he gave me the bullshit about TV not being any kind of art, and I think wrt Perry that's what you're dealing with.**

* Also cited how auteurs aren't the only way to judge.
** of course this discounts all sorts of music too.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 14:31 (four years ago) link

auteur theory invented at cahiers so they can bang on abt how grebt westerns are plus sam fuller (the baning on is correct but unqualified auteurism is the very definition of a reacionary-midbrow route to it! = how the endpoint of kubrick is nolan sorry if this offends)

i mean i was mainly joking abt musil vs hope and who perry wants you to think he reads but These Guys™ have a colossal cultural cringe thing going on re "european literary superiority" which isn't actually that different from the FBPE kneejerk: deference to the continental w/o actually having thought abt it

(tbf i guess the anderson-nairn thesis IS thinking abt it, but the enchanted glass is as terrible on culture as the new left review almost always is)

mark s, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 14:40 (four years ago) link

xp

I've noticed some of these popular lefty twitter commentariat ppl who are possibly late 20's-late 30's (just guessing here) who are good at dunking on rotten pols, rotten hacks etc and do it all day long ... but when they switch their gaze to culture/movies/music they are pretty rubbish and full of shit - literally putting the shit in shitposting. But I should add some of them are brilliant as well. I mean Juliet@zinovievletter wouldn't brook any of that TV snobbery bullshit and is always posting brilliant links from the golden age of UK tv.

calzino, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:06 (four years ago) link

Wld like to read a long mark s LRB essay about vulgar auteurism (but fear that the job wld go to Michael Wood)

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:11 (four years ago) link

Juliet Jacques has been good on TV yeah.

I think with some of these left twitter accounts it comes from reading a lot of Frankfurt School. Tbf I exhibited a lot of these traits in the past but I think growing up watching TV in South America and coming here and seeing what else you could put on (to say the least lol, + getting to know more) has meant this deference to Euro culture hasn't stayed with me xp

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:21 (four years ago) link

i am currently in the mind to chuck pitches at the LRB -- i seem to have a line of communication currently, and assuming lanch-biz doesn't feck it up -- so i will bear that in mind WF!

mark s, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:27 (four years ago) link

currently currently, this is how my pitches read

mark s, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:28 (four years ago) link

I should state, for the record, that dunking on Dominic Sandbrook is good and should be encouraged

Neil S, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:34 (four years ago) link

dunk him for his bad verses

mark s, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:57 (four years ago) link

I've developed this condition now where now I can't be arsed downloading highly esteemed longreads onto my device (unless they are BIG and IMPORTANT and have MASSIVE WORDS that i've never heard of before) after my new hero Perry Anderson raised the bar a load. I know Mark says he's one of these academia pricks that is quite myopically reductive about the ills of Trumpism and he has beers with that troglodyte Lydon. But that was a marvellous piece of writing that helped me stabilize lots of spinning parts that were twirling around my tired brain. He probably is a knobhead tbf, but it was an unexpected pleasure all the same.

calzino, Monday, 19 October 2020 00:44 (four years ago) link

It's good to read that Calzino enjoyed the essay. I bet I will too, eventually!

I have never heard of Anthony Hope.

It is, indeed, pathetic that PA is still obessively referring to 'Ukania', an idea that wasn't very droll or illuminating 30+ years ago.

I agree with Neil S about academics and Brexit. PA doesn't work in the UK academy and his views on it don't have much empirical basis.

the pinefox, Monday, 19 October 2020 07:14 (four years ago) link

pinefox have you not read the prisoner of zenda? i am crestfallen

mark s, Monday, 19 October 2020 09:22 (four years ago) link

I'm afraid not. Has Perry Anderson? I suppose he has read most things.

the pinefox, Monday, 19 October 2020 11:15 (four years ago) link

its his favourite book imo

mark s, Monday, 19 October 2020 11:22 (four years ago) link

calzino yr endorsement has made me curious

plax (ico), Monday, 19 October 2020 15:10 (four years ago) link


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