At 10:35 on an early summer's morning, John Lanchester sat down at his study desk, switched on his new Dell computer, opened up the word processing programme that the computer had come with and began

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tbf the topping up card device machine in capital was unsettlingly weird.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 18:18 (four years ago) link

a haunted selfie stick. oh man I need to read this shit

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 18:32 (four years ago) link

As he stared languidly out the window of the bendy-bus, John remarked to himself how he had never previously noticed a disembodied voice murmuring 'Get In the Sea' halfway through his lovingly-crafted 'Greatest Dabbing Anthems' playlist...

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 18:38 (four years ago) link

"as you sit there with your flat white"

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 16 July 2020 10:03 (four years ago) link

sipping your croissant

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 July 2020 10:13 (four years ago) link

Right, this should probably result in my being thrown down a well (as he fell, his mind noticed the bricks were different colours and he reached for his phone and the camera app he used to record the things he noticed...) but.

I pretty much re-read this whole thread last night and as I was falling asleep I had a pretty detailed recollection of being on a bus in Perth, reading Beckett's 'Dante and the Lobster' from an Evergreen Review collection I'd found in a hostel. In the grip of hypnagogic fancy, I remembered the mundanity and the odd rhythms and somehow it all made sense: Beckett and Lanchester. I've looked at the opening this morning and, god help me, there is something in there. I leave this here as possibly my last will and testament.

He leaned back in his chair to feel his mind subside and the itch of this mean quodlibet die down. Nothing could be done until his mind got better and was still, which gradually it did and was. Then he ventured to consider what he had to do next. There was always something that one had to do next. Three large obligations presented themselves. First lunch, then the lobster, then the Italian lesson. That would do to be going on with. After the Italian lesson he had no very clear idea. No doubt some niggling curriculum had been drawn up by someone for the late afternoon and evening, but he did not know what. In any case it did not matter. What did matter was: one, lunch; two, the lobster; three, the Italian lesson. That was more than enough to be going on with.

Editors notes: Chinaski is now my patient. He wanders the halls of the institute, belching 'quodlibet!' at anyone who will listen. Nothing can be done with him until his mind gets better.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 July 2020 10:34 (four years ago) link

No doubt some niggling curriculum had been drawn up by someone for the late afternoon and evening

'someone' = Lanchester

given the symbology I'm pretty sure that makes Lanchester literally the devil iirc

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 July 2020 10:40 (four years ago) link

I reread this thread as well last night and, having read subsequent Angela Carter novels, I now understand what the Pinefox was getting at about the onset of hackiness in her prose. I'm sure her earliest novels weren't as badly written as 'Heroes and Villains' was.

Matt DC, Thursday, 16 July 2020 10:42 (four years ago) link

That's nice to hear!

the pinefox, Thursday, 16 July 2020 11:30 (four years ago) link

Right, this should probably result in my being thrown down a well (as he fell, his mind noticed the bricks were different colours and he reached for his phone and the camera app he used to record the things he noticed...) but.

I pretty much re-read this whole thread last night and as I was falling asleep I had a pretty detailed recollection of being on a bus in Perth, reading Beckett's 'Dante and the Lobster' from an Evergreen Review collection I'd found in a hostel. In the grip of hypnagogic fancy, I remembered the mundanity and the odd rhythms and somehow it all made sense: Beckett and Lanchester. I've looked at the opening this morning and, god help me, there is /something in there/. I leave this here as possibly my last will and testament.

_He leaned back in his chair to feel his mind subside and the itch of this mean quodlibet die down. Nothing could be done until his mind got better and was still, which gradually it did and was. Then he ventured to consider what he had to do next. There was always something that one had to do next. Three large obligations presented themselves. First lunch, then the lobster, then the Italian lesson. That would do to be going on with. After the Italian lesson he had no very clear idea. No doubt some niggling curriculum had been drawn up by someone for the late afternoon and evening, but he did not know what. In any case it did not matter. What did matter was: one, lunch; two, the lobster; three, the Italian lesson. That was more than enough to be going on with._


Editors notes: Chinaski is now my patient. He wanders the halls of the institute, belching 'quodlibet!' at anyone who will listen. Nothing can be done with him until his mind gets better.


i think this is fair but wrong (because it’s fair). it’s fair because the cadences are the same. and i think there is an open question for me whether the cadences of Lanchester are intended and intended to reference the quotidian mundane, or possibly even Beckett (I think Nicholson Baker was referenced upthread).

there is nothing, no list as good in all of lanchester and al possible worlds of lanchester as “What did matter was: one, lunch; two, the lobster; three, the Italian lesson.”

the positioning of objects against each other, the chewy rather delightful tension of the sounds, the alliteration of L suggesting poetry, the resolute variation in the vowels suggesting the prosaic, the implied non-connected connectedness of the objects.

given lanchester’s sentence by sentence organising principles are totally dysfunctional i don’t think he’s barely capable of doing the basics of a list. his understanding of the interrelation of objects of the world, his ontology if you like, is just totally fucked. he writes prose about the world like he’s driving a dodgem.

so the cadences may be similar, *may* even be intended (sceptical side-eye), but his brane is too borked to make it work. his word order is irretrievably bad as well and often works against his meaning (like more often works against it, or implies something radically different, than it is just confusing - if that’s intended and he’s implying a consistent parallel universe of plural interpretations then yes he’s a genius)

Fizzles, Thursday, 16 July 2020 17:01 (four years ago) link

was good you posted that chinaski, because i do think the important thing to bear in mind when reading or about to read lanchester is “hey this might be good” or “maybe i’m just not seeing what makes him good”. it makes it all the better when you gradually have to admit to yourself that despite your tolerance and forced withholding of judgment you are finally forced to admit to yourself no really this is very bad.

Fizzles, Thursday, 16 July 2020 17:04 (four years ago) link

"as you sit there with your flat white"


yes this is how i read lanchester lol

Fizzles, Thursday, 16 July 2020 17:05 (four years ago) link

it heartens me that we're all routinely reading this entire thread

mark s, Thursday, 16 July 2020 17:21 (four years ago) link

it's Lanchester's most important contribution to literature tbf

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 16 July 2020 17:26 (four years ago) link

I would like to state that I meant no harm to Beckett in that comparison! It was more looking for a lineage - something that Lanchester might have read and seized on as a 'style'. A style that he eviscerated, left dead for years and then bunged in the microwave when the time came. We are left to marvel at his excreta; indeed we are his avid, attentive grooms of the stool.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 July 2020 19:58 (four years ago) link

Without rereading his long-ago first novel, The Debt to Pleasure (which I remember really liking!), memory tells me it was deeply in debt to Nabokov, especially his erudite psychopath narrators like Humbert Humbert.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 17 July 2020 04:00 (four years ago) link

Yes, likewise read and enjoyed it years ago, and Nabokov was the obvious model.

Fizzles, Friday, 17 July 2020 06:01 (four years ago) link

tho as you say, Nabokov as mendacious, self-obsessed narrator rather than, say, his aesthetic games or specific approaches to language.

Fizzles, Friday, 17 July 2020 06:02 (four years ago) link

I also enjoyed The Debt To Pleasure (the recipes are good too), but as Nabokov pastiches go, Updike's A Month of Sundays is better and was done 25 years earlier.

fetter, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 14:59 (four years ago) link

I am now reading Lanchester on Maigret. It's not devoid of any insight or knowledge, but it comes out with the daft things quoted upthread, and it's blokeish tone is quite obnoxious.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 18:01 (four years ago) link

it's quite a lot better than his christie piece and is also not consistent with it in terms of stated assumptions

mark s, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 18:05 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

So this guerilla advert for Lanchester's new novel is making the rounds...

omg they are gagging for us to return back to the office. “second family”? pic.twitter.com/udntfSVXSh

— mi🌿 (@helloalegria) September 2, 2020

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 3 September 2020 10:42 (four years ago) link

fvck, this has reminded me of his forthcmoing "horror" collection -- is it out yet?

'Rău!' she said, shouting, pointing at my phone and then at the grave. 'Rău, rău, rău!'

mark s, Thursday, 3 September 2020 11:25 (four years ago) link

That never fails to crack me up. Should be serified by the beeb just for that scene.

Monte Scampino (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 3 September 2020 11:41 (four years ago) link

I'm halfway through Lanchester on ESPORTS.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v42/n16/john-lanchester/diary

the pinefox, Sunday, 6 September 2020 13:13 (four years ago) link

well that's just averagely banal. no choice lanchester in there at all.

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Sunday, 6 September 2020 13:50 (four years ago) link

oh gosh i hadn't been keeping up on this thread and the cover for his ghost story collection is just too good

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Sunday, 6 September 2020 13:57 (four years ago) link

The thing I didn't understand about ESPORTS was that the 'esports' seemed to be games, not sports.

I thought an esport would be more like when you swing a tennis racket and something happens to the tennis ball on screen, so you get fitter.

But it seems to be more like WARHAMMER ONLINE or something. Which might be fun but is definitely not sport. Unless all those afternoons playing JUDGE DREDD: THE ROLE PLAYING GAME and eating Monster Munch were sport for me.

Yet Lanchester keeps comparing esports to sports - his whole framing is about cricket and so on - so he does seem to think of them that way.

the pinefox, Monday, 7 September 2020 09:37 (four years ago) link

Well he's writing as a spectator not a competitor, it seems a legitimate comparison. Snooker and darts are infamously less physically demanding than outdoor sports, how do you categorise them?

neith moon (ledge), Monday, 7 September 2020 09:51 (four years ago) link

The difference between esports and yer Judge Dread sessions is there's ppl making quite a lot of money from playing these games within a competitive setting and huge audiences following their moves. Including, like, ppl booking seats at arenas to watch (not so much right now ofc). So I think the analogy is fine.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 7 September 2020 10:05 (four years ago) link

yes ESPORTS is the commercial name --

hazel one of this parish (she says just a single post lol) just became editor of an esports magazine -- which is admittedly confusing bcz her main recent stream of income has been writing abt formula e, which is a e-based sport that isn't an esport (you met her at the royal oak pinefox)

mark s, Monday, 7 September 2020 10:21 (four years ago) link

one = once

mark s, Monday, 7 September 2020 10:26 (four years ago) link

Mark, yes, I believe that she has told me about her racing car activities.

My confusion re 'esports' was purely re the presence of the word 'sports' in the name, if they mostly don't resemble sports.

It did not otherwise indicate any scepticism about the quality, profitability, importance, interest, etc, of esports.

Chess would be another point of comparison. Chess has audiences (eg online), competition, etc, but we don't call it a sport.

Lanchester turned out not to like esports anyway.

the pinefox, Monday, 7 September 2020 16:28 (four years ago) link

I was thinking I had heard John lanchester's name before theis weekend.
He did a First Thoughts talk with Fintan O'Toole in teh Arts Festival here on Saturday.

Stevolende, Monday, 7 September 2020 18:08 (four years ago) link

lanchester ghost stories not due out till oct 1 -- where shd i pitch my review at, thread-readers? where will a takedown sit well?

(i mean lol the lrb obv but that's not going to happen and anyway i have them under seige for less entirely fvck-you stuff currently)

mark s, Monday, 14 September 2020 10:48 (four years ago) link

lol the Graun
lol Fortean Times

how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 September 2020 10:50 (four years ago) link

LITERARY REVIEW but they'll already have it lined up. I find that these things need to be done well in advance (ie: I have always failed).

the pinefox, Monday, 14 September 2020 11:08 (four years ago) link

true yes -- and i had the notion an age ago but was just too super-busy and otherwise under heavy manners to follow it up till this recent thread revive >:(

maybe i shd return to my other current project: "forty years of being terrible at freelancing: musings and persiflage"

mark s, Monday, 14 September 2020 11:19 (four years ago) link

haha do ppl still say "under heavy manners", feels like that might date me

mark s, Monday, 14 September 2020 11:26 (four years ago) link

Lol I still say that even knowingly incomprehensibly

how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 September 2020 14:40 (four years ago) link

It's such a great phrase. Too good to die.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 14 September 2020 15:33 (four years ago) link

And I think go high, aim for the heart of the republic and pitch to the FT.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 14 September 2020 15:35 (four years ago) link

Or The Spectator!

Ward Fowler, Monday, 14 September 2020 15:51 (four years ago) link

ts: publishing an amusing demolition of the very liberal JL in fash weekly vs losing the respect of my friends on ilx :D

mark s, Monday, 14 September 2020 16:52 (four years ago) link

prepping for the sooncome release of the ghost collection by rereading coffin liquor and then the one that ran to (says here) "great acclaim" in the new yorker

mark s, Thursday, 24 September 2020 13:03 (four years ago) link

started out with yellow highlighter for "things to pay attention to" and pink highlighter for "lol very extremely egregious lanch klaxon" -- and by page 9 of 11 it is just a blazing wall of pink

(nothing we failed to spot before -- if anything i'm reading a lot less closely than fizzles does)

mark s, Thursday, 24 September 2020 13:35 (four years ago) link

i'm on page 4 (my print-out) of the new yorker piece, signal: "there was next to no 3G or mobile data"

\o/

mark s, Thursday, 24 September 2020 14:58 (four years ago) link

there's a kind of joy in reading this three-year old story for the first time and hitting all the familiar marks lol

mark s, Thursday, 24 September 2020 15:10 (four years ago) link

i've also now started rereading Whoops! -- will report back when i get a bit further in

(i'm still in his throat-clearing phase first chapter, which i think is pretty bad -- he's attempting a lightning sketch of the entire geopolitical context for the 2008 market collapse -- but maybe it gets better as he gets onto his main topic, the collapse itself, and how high finance works and doesn't work)

mark s, Thursday, 24 September 2020 19:30 (four years ago) link

i hadn't read signal before; it doesn't seem as facepalmingly badly written as the lrb ones, i only spotted a few bad sentences/lanchisms but i'm sure a fizzles close reading would find many more. entirely pointless though, hard to know what effect he's aiming for since any plausible candidate (horror? atmosphere? moral instruction?) he misses by a mile.

neith moon (ledge), Thursday, 24 September 2020 19:37 (four years ago) link


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