Novelists No One Reads Anymore

if i’ve read them they don’t belong in this thread, so sinclair lewis def doesn’t

Sir Walter Scott was once the towering novelist in English, roughly equal in stature with Dickens. Now, he's a dim blip on a fast receding horizon. And who reads John Galsworthy nowadays?

_Another Peter de...

Does anyone read Peter de Vries any more?_

Good one! A friend once decided to lend me his copy of _Slouching Towards Kalamazoo_ which I eventually returned years later unread except for the first page or two.

Mrs. Alexander (Annie Hector)
Margaret Oliphant

Have read some Mrs. Oliphant, as she was credited in the anthologies where I found her---don't remember other particulars, but thought she was very good.

Mervyn Peake

oliphant still has several regular readers at my library (granted it's a strange one); have seen bennett, braddon, and gissing all go out too.

Some of the long-book high modernists -- Robert Musil, Ford Madox Ford, John Dos Passos -- feel this way to me. Still famous, I think, but read?

has anyone not writing a disraeli biography read a beaconsfield novel?

Mervyn Peake

― the floor is guava (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, September 26, 2022 10:07 PM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

No way, I read Titus Groan just this year.

I still want to read Peake, also Gissing's New Grub Street, sounds v. relatable. Did read a lot of Dos Passos a few years ago, but seemed like would have been best read in high school (later confirmed by ILB founder Scott Seward). Enjoyed the Ford memoir I read, haven't gotten to the novels. Will read my copy of The Man Without Qualities when I can dig it up.

eephus' list are all authors I've thought I should read at some point or another and never did, so you might be onto something there (xp)

For some reason I read a couple of Sinclair Lewis books in high school (on my own, not for class). I was assigned Galsworthy in college, but it was his plays for a course on modern drama. A friend gave me a copy of Titus Groan not too long ago, so definitely not Peake.

Booth Tarkington, maybe?

Booth Tarkington is a GREAT one. Probably looking at old Pulitzer winners is a good way of finding likely candidates.

Sir Walter Scott was once the towering novelist in English, roughly equal in stature with Dickens.

Probably greater in stature actually.

I don't like Gissing, afraid he's often like "what if Dickens or Zola was a tory who hated poor people and thought they deserved all they got?"

Wanna read BT's The Magnificent Ambersons. (Just now finally got irony of family name btw.)

I did read Lewis's Kingsblood Royal: rising young pillar of a Minnesota community is urged by his daddy to investigate family tree, which may be like title says. Turns out key ancestor, whom they knew to be Canadian immigrant, was originally Haitian---Creole at least. Youngblood conceals findings from father, and self for a while, but eventually is told by out Black people of Minnesota race crimes, one of which (been so long, can't recall) may well be the Duluth lynching which some Minnesotans think is referenced in first verse of Duluth native's "Desolation Row." Novel, even by Nobel Prize winner, seems to be pushing envelope of late 40s, when civil rights was said by proto-McCarthyites and some others to be subject to Commie plots.

Robert Musil, Ford Madox Ford, John Dos Passos

Musil recently had a minor revival with new translations coming out and I read Man Without Qualities several years back. I've read Ford's most famous novels, and thought his Parade's End trilogy much better than The Good Soldier. Every time I try to read anything of Dos Passos I bog down before I get to page 20.

I figure very religious novelists are less read today, like E.P. Roe who was hugely popular and is probably now just read by Christians.

I figure very religious novelists are less read today, like E.P. Roe who was hugely popular and is probably now just read by Christians.

― SincereLee 'Scratch' Perry (President Keyes)

oooh, how about lew wallace?

first one to come to mind was james branch cabell

do people read, like, james clavell? james a. michener? how about clive cussler, author of the extremely popular "dirk pitt" series of novels? how about don pendleton, whose character mack bolan, the executioner, was the inspiration for marvel comics' "punisher", and is really the guy cops _should_ be celebrating?

J.F. Powers?

Thought Powers got revived by NYRB.

I bet Executioner books are still read by gun show types

99% sure my dad still reads clive cussler

I'll see your James Michener and raise you Herman Fucking Wouk

"Historians, novelists, publishers, and critics who gathered at the Library of Congress in 1995 to mark Wouk's 80th birthday described him as an American Tolstoy.[2]"

Feel like the most canonical answers so far are

Arnold Bennett
George Meredith
James Branch Cabell

I even seem to remember something the subject of the original post said about Meredith, have to go look for it.

Of course all the other answers are welcome as well, although some authors that have been named seem to have had recent enough revivals to be disqualified, such as Mervyn Peake, as someone has already brought up.

Meredith mentioned here:

Bonfires In The Sky: What Are You Reading, Winter 2021-22?

Doesn’t work on zing though

Bernard DeVoto
A.B. Guthrie Jr.

^these two were on the reading list of The Other (Honors?) English Class one summer in high school so I checked them out at the time but don’t think I have heard much mention of them since.

I read a George Meredith book last week!

Which?

btw, James, I didn't know this thread was for obscurities we hadn't read.

It was Beauchamp’s Career. I liked it.

those sound like worthy lost authors, but I haven't heard of any of them

I've been thinking about more pedestrian works

Years ago I loved Len Deighton's espionage trilogies - Berlin Game, Mexico Set and London Match, and also Spy Hook, Spy Line, Spy Sinker and Faith, Hope, Charity. Looking him up today I'm surprised to read that he is still alive

I just looked to see when the Mack Bolan the Executioner series ended. 2020!

Yeah, a lot of popular spy novelists from the 50s/60s not named Ian Fleming or John Le Carre are pretty obscure these days.

Oliver Optic

ok I guess, not sure what you're mad about

Leon Uris maybe too obvious but also maybe I missed the Uris revival. James Clavell already noted. I kind of think those types of novelists who wrote those astronomically long works which inevitably were turned into eight hour mini series are perfect for this thread. John Jakes!

Which?

btw, James, I didn't know this thread was for obscurities we hadn't read.

Although now that I look, some of the names mentioned (even by me) are still in print. But still in print is one thing. Being in print plus the cachet of a new edition with foreword by Michael Moorcock like a recent edition of Titus Alone I just got is another thing.

But the cover says the intro is by another guy, David Louis Edelman.

Booth Tarkington is a GREAT one. Probably looking at old Pulitzer winners is a good way of finding likely candidates.

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, September 26, 2022 5:00 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

There was a good New Yorker article a couple of years ago about Tarkington's changing reputation. Here's how it begins:

A trick question: Can you name the only three writers who have won the Pulitzer Prize for fiction twice? Faulkner, yes; Updike. And? Hats off if you came up with Booth Tarkington. And yet his two prize-winners—“The Magnificent Ambersons” and “Alice Adams,” just reissued in one volume by the Library of America—are not even the most commercially successful novels of his extraordinarily successful career. Nine of his books were ranked among the top ten sellers of their year (up there, pre-Stephen King, with Zane Grey and Mary Roberts Rinehart), and the outlandishly dissimilar “The Turmoil” and “Seventeen” were the No. 1 sellers in consecutive years. And then there’s “Penrod,” probably the most beloved boys’ book since Tom and Huck, though I can’t recommend a stroll down that particular memory lane.

There are thirty or so novels, countless short stories and serials, a string of hit plays. And there were countless honors: Tarkington was not only commercial but literary—not just the Pulitzers but in 1933 the gold medal for fiction from the American Academy of Arts and Letters, which Edith Wharton and William Dean Howells had won previously. As early as 1922, the Times had placed him twelfth (and the only writer) on a list of the twelve greatest contemporary American men. “Yes, I got in as last on the Times list,” Tarkington commented. “What darn silliness! You can demonstrate who are the 10 fattest people in a country and who are the 27 tallest . . . but you can’t say who are the 10 greatest with any more authority than you can say who are the 13 damndest fools.”

As for booksellers, in 1921 they voted him the most significant contemporary American writer. (Wharton came in second. Robert Frost? Thirteenth. Theodore Dreiser? Fourteenth. Eugene O’Neill? Twenty-sixth.) Nothing ever changes. Some forty years earlier, a comparable poll ranked E. P. Roe and Mrs. E. D. E. N. Southworth at Nos. 1 and 2, with scores of votes each. At the bottom of the list—with two votes—came Herman Melville.

How to explain this remarkable career—the meteoric ascent to fame, the impregnable reputation over several decades, and then the pronounced plunge into obscurity? If you read all his fiction (which I strongly advise not attempting), you find a steady if uninspired hand at the helm. Slowly, painstakingly, Tarkington had taught himself to write reliable prose and construct appealing fictions; he was unpretentious—always literate but never showy. You could count on him to catch your interest even if he failed to grip your imagination or your heart. And he was always a gentleman.

The article finds that Tarkington turned into a hack as he got older and concludes that "ultimately what stands between him and any large achievement is his deeply rooted, unappeasable need to look longingly backward, an impulse that goes beyond nostalgia."

Good find! As a kid I forced myself through some giant new volume of Penrod since the elementary school librarian said it was only for True Readers or something like that. The only thing I can remember about it was some gag about all the kids bumping into each other and saying "Pardon my bum."

Not to pick on Alfred but those NYRB J.F. Powers volumes have intros by the likes of Elizabeth Hardwick and Denis Donoghue.

David Ely
WIlliam Kotzwinkle
Richard Brautigan

Now wondering how the LoA edition of Tarkington fits in with my reissue rule, does it not really count because they kind of do it because of historical importance? Maybe my rule is BS? Don't really want to discourage people from submitting as many authors as possible that sort of fit, or disqualifying any author since somebody read them last week. Really thread should be interpreted as something like Out of Print or Out of Fashion.

Hmm. Kotzwinkle still going strong.

Not really sure how you’re seeing this. The big American Jewish novelists are always going to have a certain readership.

Not saying it's going to happen to Bellow et al, but huge novelists do sometimes go into decline and never recover. Looking at the wiki for Updike, I see he's one of only 4 novelists who have won the Pulitzer twice. Another being Booth Tarkington, who was a major novelist in his day, but will he ever have a renaissance? I doubt it.

This is from the NewYork Times TODAY:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/27/books/review/philip-roth-american-pastoral-gloves.html

William Dean Howells scowls at this thread.

I think there’s a pretty good chance Roth and Bellow will keep being rediscovered after going through a period of neglect.

Arguably this has already happened to Roth once! By the early 90s I feel like he was sort of considered a relic, then American Pastoral etc. came out and he had a kind of late career renaissance

He was most def in a rut between 1988 and 1993.

Roth, Rut or Rule

Here's a few names:

Mary Augusta Ward
Mary Wilkins Freeman

Both were popular (Ward hugely so) and critically acclaimed, but I guess there could only be one famous female turn of the century author and Edith Wharton got the prize.

Divine Right's Trip, by Gurney Norman, is a very late 1960s book, as the cover shows:

https://pics.cdn.librarything.com/picsizes/68/85/68851518e004f9a596878746a41444341587343_v5.jpg

The author is still around and appears to have become a regionalist writer with a correspondingly limited audience, so it may be unfair to include him in this topic.

"late-1960s"

xp Mary Wilkins Freeman seems to be remembered now mainly for her ghost stories, and mainly by specialists in that kind of genre fiction

Yeah, there are a few late Victorian era writers who dabbled in supernatural or sci-fi stories and are mainly remembered for those now.

William Dean Howells has a book of ghost stories, for instance.

hell, NYRB surprised me when they collected the few ghost stories Edith Wharton wrote (they're mostly good).

I do love that particular type of late 60s book design, also love Edith Wharton's ghost stories

“Few”? She wrote heaps! And they are indeed great, as are her short stories more generally.

i used to love saul bellow. he taught me so much. he could be spellbinding. i loved the fact that plot was beside the point in almost everything he wrote! dangling man, the victim, and seize the day were ahead of their time and i could totally see all three appealing to writers now. i don't know how many of you have read augie march but it is a crazy fucking book. you never need to read thomas wolfe. just read augie march. his sentences used to kill me. the language. his book about delmore schwartz is intense. roth could be similarly dazzling. just a one man band. unstoppable. and more punk rock then most punk rockers. Our Gang was punk before punk. that book is insane. Sabbath's Theater is just...so fucked up but kinda genius! i don't use the G-word much. i don't read them anymore though. maybe i will someday again. Stanley Elkin is the writer who stayed with me all these years. he's my spirit animal. i'm so jealous of him every time i read him. and, like his pal saul, plot was just an excuse to write a book. kinda like another big inspiration of mine, Peter de Vries. his books stay with me too. i am never far from one. they were so good at what they did.

I don't particularly love Roth or Updike, but yeah, Bellow can be great (he can also be tedious). I need to re-read Augie March at some point. I think it will take a while for any of those three to be truly forgotten. Someone like William Styron I think is already further along with that process.

speaking of marthas vineyard, ex-ilxor beth parker used to do the flower and shrub landscaping for vineyard resident, friend of styron, and forgotten novelist Ward Just. he wrote NINETEEN novels! they are probably all out of print. maybe i should read one. they always looked so boring but i'm totally boring now.

In a column at Literary Hub in 2018, Susan Zakin wrote that "Ward Just is not merely America’s best political novelist. He is America’s greatest living novelist. To our discredit, he’s also America’s Greatest Unknown Novelist."

I mentioned Mary Augusta Ward upthread. I wasn’t aware the NYT did an article about her this year:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/books/review/1903-bestselling-novel.html

new review in the new yorker of this behemoth. has anyone read it? it looks like one of those things that seems really cool to me and if i bought it i would never read it. but maybe reading IN books like this are enough for me. like having a bible handy for a quick read of a page or two for fun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_MacIntosh,_My_Darling

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81APGPQjZmL._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg

i bought a two-volume copy about 10 years ago and haven't read more than 50 pages or so. It seemed worthwhile but exhausting, have been meaning to try it again, I met someone last year who was in an unusually intense book club that was planning on reading it once the new Dalkey Archive edition came out.

How many books that develop cult followings are super-long, immersive stories, in which you can choose to get lost as an alternate reality? Seems like a leading trait of these works. Tolkien comes easily to mind, but it grew so popular it can't be classified as a cult book anymore. Same for Frank Herbert and Dune Ad Infinitum.

Good to see the cycle of rediscovery continues, for instance w New Yorker's coverage and on here---as and where I mentioned a couple years ago:

Before I got off the Anne Tyler bus somewhere in The Accidental Tourist, gave her points for giving the Tourist an ideal longread travelling companion, which could even or especially be read satisfyingly at random: the massive novel Miss Mackintosh, My Darling, by Marguerite Young---wiki sez:

As she worked on The Accidental Tourist, Anne Tyler cured spells of writer's block by reading pages from Miss MacIntosh at random. "Whatever page I turned to, it seemed, a glorious wealth of words swooped out at me."[12] Tyler made Young's novel a traveling companion for her main character Macon Leary. A hardcover edition of the book was used as a prop in William Hurt's suitcase in the film adaptation.

Fave blurb:
In her zeal to demonstrate that nothing lives except in the imagination, Miss Young, with superb virtuosity, may have written a novel that in the profoundest sense does not exist.
— Melvin Maddocks, Christian Science Monitor, 9/16/1965

Behold:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_MacIntosh,_My_Darling
― dow, Friday, October 7, 2022 1:23 PM (two years ago)

However!
I started with her nonfiction novel concerning utopian pioneers, in Europe and then the American West: Harp Song For A Radical: The Life and Times of Eugene Victor Debs, who she says was named for purple man-of-the-people novelist Eugene Sue, who I also posted about upthread, and for Victor Hugo. There's a little more about Debs in front, but then she goes back to a little bit about the Saint Simonists and Fourier and much more about Heinrich Heine and Marx (Sue fan) and Engels and mutual acquaintance Wilhelm Weitling---whom all three find squirrelly, but he has followers, investors, and he makes his way out West to check out new opps incl. among failed or declining utopias
---and that's as far as I've gotten, maybe 100 big, handsome, unnumbered pages in, but Young's self-satisfied literary silliness, her Big Sisterly affectionate tweaking of these beautiful losers/Davids vs. Moloch ov Kapital---also recurring "bird/word" and other play, and esp current extended spotlight on wet Weitling, is making me want to give up and check wiki etc for some of the unfamiliar stuff that she's mentioned.
But maybe I'll read some more of this as well, always wanting more Debs in my life.
But still curious about Miss Macintosh My Darling

I got the new edition, got maybe 100 pages in. Super wild prose, although a bit repetitive. That Anne Tyler move seems like it would totally work. Not the kind of book everyone could read straightforwardly. I dunno I really dug it but I don't know that I need 1000 pages of it in my life

Well, the Accidental Tourist finds it handy, because it's not something he has to plow through; he can just open it at random, I think, or anyway just on airplanes and in airports and hotel rooms and anywhere else he's bored shitless.
(The premise is that he's a fussy homebody who has to go somewhere, and comes back and writes a Letter To The Editor complaining about all those furriners over there---and the Editor thinks it's funny, and hires him to go places and complain, the opposite of the travel writing so common in Sunday Supplements etc. back then, in pre-Web times, when readers and moviegoers were like, "Hey, is that a real book? It is?" and some people I knew went looking for it, found it, liked it, though I dunno if any of 'em ever finished it; they may still be reading it, like the Accidental Tourist, which is fine.)
(Like I said upthread, I'd enjoyed Tyler's Searching For A Caleb and A Slipping-Down Life, but TAT started seeming too cuet, and I stopped reading, which might be wrong.)

this, spoilers, was on university challenge this evening as an early sensation novel along with a bunch of things i was familiar with (Wilkie Collins)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Lynne