Novelists No One Reads Anymore

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As far Anne Tyler, I remember really liking Dinner at the Homesick Restaurant at the time and also reading a few others but then felt a sense of saturation or diminishing returns or paradigm shift in the Zeitgeist or what have you and so stopped reading.

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 October 2022 01:20 (two years ago) link

Dinnerseemed like a creative peak, then Accidental got too cuet---but I loved A Slipping Down Life, which seemed to incl. a parody of early Michael Stipe lyrics (boondocks zen sequitur indie rock), but then I realized it was published in 1970---also enjoyed Searching For Caleb(1975). Some of the other early 70s novels looked good, maybe should get back to those.

dow, Saturday, 8 October 2022 01:42 (two years ago) link

I haven't rereading but remember Breathing Lessons being great, and Morgan's Passing pretty good

the floor is guava (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 8 October 2022 02:07 (two years ago) link

I really dug the family dynamics aspect way back when, but feel like there is an intentional artless to the writing that I don’t know if I could stand anymore at this remove.

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 October 2022 02:16 (two years ago) link

Morgan's Passing is yet another relatively early novel I remember being favorably mentioned. But maybe she's just written too many for her approach, the reader's pattern recognition acceptance level, something:

If Morning Ever Comes (1964)
The Tin Can Tree (1965)
A Slipping-Down Life (1970)
The Clock Winder (1972)
Celestial Navigation (1974)
Searching for Caleb (1975)
Earthly Possessions (1977)
Morgan's Passing (1980)
Dinner at the Homesick Restaurant (1982)
The Accidental Tourist (1985)
Breathing Lessons (1988)
Saint Maybe (1991)
Ladder of Years (1995)
A Patchwork Planet (1998)
Back When We Were Grownups (2001)
The Amateur Marriage (2004)
Digging to America (2006)
Noah's Compass (2009)
The Beginner's Goodbye (2012)
A Spool of Blue Thread (2015)
Vinegar Girl (2016)[47]
Clock Dance (2018)
Redhead by the Side of the Road (2020)
French Braid (2022)

dow, Saturday, 8 October 2022 19:38 (two years ago) link

That seems like hella fan service.

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 October 2022 20:11 (two years ago) link

Reviews of earlier work, as quoted on her wiki, are grrrreat! Although later:

Reviewing The Patchwork Planet, Kakutani states: "Ms. Tyler's earlier characters tended to be situated within a thick matrix of finely nuanced familial relationships that helped define both their dreams and their limitations; the people in this novel, in contrast, seem much more like lone wolves, pulled this way and that by the author's puppet strings ... Ms. Tyler's famous ability to limn the daily minutiae of life also feels weary and formulaic this time around ... As for the little details Ms. Tyler sprinkles over her story ... they, too, have a paint-by-numbers touch. They add up to a patchwork novel that feels hokey, mechanical ... and yes, too cute.[46]

dow, Saturday, 8 October 2022 21:17 (two years ago) link

Having recently watched both The Friends of Eddie Coyle and Killing Them Softly, I wonder if anyone is reading George V. Higgins (other than to mine him for dialogue-heavy screenplays)?

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Saturday, 8 October 2022 22:09 (two years ago) link

I tried Eddie Coyle once, based on a friend’s recommendation, but couldn’t really get into it.

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 October 2022 23:35 (two years ago) link

But really came to post
Mordecai Richler

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 October 2022 23:37 (two years ago) link

Also, I popped in a modern art museum today and one of the installments featured a plexiglass box full of James Michener paperbacks.

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 9 October 2022 00:34 (two years ago) link

was going to give george v higgins a reread actually. my recollection of impostors, outlaws, and the kennedy novels is that they are exceptionally well written, not just the dialogue, which is about as good as dialogue gets (spare, witty, sharp, advances matters without being information delivery), but the depiction of material culture, legal and financial matters, and dense, psychologically astute plots.

he rated v highly for me when i read him in my late teens.

Fizzles, Sunday, 9 October 2022 07:08 (two years ago) link

Co-sign on that, Fizzles. GVH's non-fiction book on writing also v good.

Even at the time, Higgins used to complain about being pigeonholed as a crime writer AND about his relative lack of commercial success compared to ppl like Grisham or Scott Turow. But some of his early novels, in particular, are as hardboiled as they come while approaching a level of abstraction that doesn't scream bestsellerdom to me.

Legal textbooks were always a horror to be avoided when I worked in a secondhand bookshop, because they date so rapidly. I wonder if the same is true for legal thrillers.

Ward Fowler, Sunday, 9 October 2022 09:51 (two years ago) link

Maybe think of them as historicals? Thanks guys, will check him

I think the Marguerite Young books I might start with are Harp Song For A Radical and Inviting The Muses:

Young's next project was to be a biography of Hoosier poet James Whitcomb Riley,[4][5][7] the creator of Little Orphant Annie. Her experiences in joining the protests against the Vietnam War made her turn her focus to Riley's friendship with Eugene V. Debs.[3] The digression was to occupy the rest of her life, becoming an ambitious biography of Debs, the union organizer who evolved into the first Socialist candidate for President of the United States (1904, 1908, 1912, 1920). She projected a three-volume epic history of the people, through Debs's battles for workers rights and the development of the Locomotive Firemen's workers union.[1] Harp Song for a Radical: The Life and Times of Eugene Victor Debs remained unfinished at the time of her death.[5]

Part I, “Prelude in a Golden Key,” portrays Swiss agnostic Wilhelm Weitling’s cross-country tour of the pioneer utopian communities built during the settlement of the western United States. He visits the Mormon communities in Nauvoo, Missouri and Salt Lake City, Utah; the Shakers; the Amish communities in Pennsylvania; the Oneida community; the Icarians; the Rappites, and many other settlements in the wilderness. Through this perspective Young establishes that this nation was founded and settled on the principles of communal ownership and mutual assistance. In Part II of Harp Song for a Radical, Young establishes that Eugene Debs was the catalyst through which these principles became the basic tenets of the labor movement in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries.

During Marguerite Young's final illness, her unfinished manuscript was compiled by Marilyn Hamilton and Suzanne Oboler and was then submitted to her publisher. After her death, the manuscript was edited by Charles Ruas to include Young's survey of utopian communities as well as her portraits of major historical figures encountered by Debs in his struggles as a labor organizer: the portraits of Mary Todd Lincoln, James Whitcomb Riley, Joe Hill, Sojourner Truth, Brigham Young, Joseph Smith and Susan B. Anthony. This edited version of Harp Song for a Radical was published by Alfred A. Knopf in 1999.

Also in her last illness, Marguerite Young returned to writing poetry. Inviting the Muses, a collection of her stories, essays, and reviews, was published by Dalkey Archive Press in 1994.


much more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marguerite_Young

dow, Sunday, 9 October 2022 18:15 (two years ago) link

Mickey Spillane used to be the king of crime fiction. According his wikipedia article "more than 225 million copies of his books have sold internationally", but I don't see many of them on the shelves in bookshops. Are many of his titles still in print and do crime fiction readers still read him?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 9 October 2022 18:42 (two years ago) link

I'd imagine that even within the territory of vintage noir fiction Spillane's incessant bigotry and law & order fascism have made him somewhat difficult for modern audiences to take. He's also kind of a Michael Bay, OTT take on the genre that I think ppl can't really get with.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 10 October 2022 10:28 (two years ago) link

Spillane's popularity partly a result of him 'getting away' with more salacious material than was permitted in films or TV at the time. Once that was no longer the case, the actual quality of the writing wasn't good enough to last in the way that Chandler, Hammett, Cain etc have lasted.

Ward Fowler, Monday, 10 October 2022 10:47 (two years ago) link

I read Friends of Eddie Coyle because Elmore Leonard would often mention it in interviews as a perfect crime novel.

Think they've now run out of unfinished novels and outlines, but Max Allan Collins has been completing and releasing Mike Hammer books for years now, with Spillane's blessing.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 10 October 2022 16:28 (two years ago) link

So the ilx hivemind reports that Spillane may have a small remnant of his former readership, but it is fast disappearing and if he has a chance of being read twenty years from now it might be down to just Friends of Eddie Coyle.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 10 October 2022 18:08 (two years ago) link

Don't see the connection between Spillane and Friends of Eddie Coyle.

dow, Monday, 10 October 2022 18:45 (two years ago) link

Was either a typo or a joke maybe

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 10 October 2022 18:48 (two years ago) link

I see now that the Eddie Coyle remark was harking back to GV Higgins and I was confused by that because I've not read either Higgins or Spillane, as befits a thread about authors no one reads.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 10 October 2022 19:28 (two years ago) link

You seem to be taking the Non-Self thing pretty literally.

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 10 October 2022 19:43 (two years ago) link

talk about spillane made me realise that no one has mentioned Sapper here. an extremely good example. i can’t imagine very many of any people choosing to pick up a Sapper book these days.

in general the railway thriller and its sequel the spy thriller would have to be v lucky to have any sort of lifespan beyond their immediate context. anthony price was another name i thought of this morning in that regard (though it’s still possible to buy his books, some of them formally quite surprising iirc). also thought about dick francis in this regard but he’s probably still fairly well read i imagine, and not just in the horsey set.

Fizzles, Monday, 10 October 2022 20:04 (two years ago) link

You seem to be taking the Non-Self thing pretty literally.

Could be a side effect of all the killfiles.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 10 October 2022 22:16 (two years ago) link

I read a Bulldog Drummond once. It was good fun though obviously politically indefensible - though I will say it was interesting as a person of German origin reading something that so explicitly sees Germans as Evil, gave me a "oh so this is how it must feel for marginalized people all the time reading fiction" moment.

John Buchan seems to be the one to have survived from that early spy thriller era, gets republished by Penguin a lot I feel.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 09:48 (two years ago) link

Basically I think that if it's classic genre fiction, and doubly so if it's British, it'll be in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comics and some saddos like myself will have tracked it down as a result.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 09:49 (two years ago) link

"sapper" <-- call him by his name, he earned his quotemarks (gassed in ww1 and died young as a result)

based on wikipedia (the root of all sublte biography) he seems like a p terrible person lol

mark s, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 09:54 (two years ago) link

wasn’t “sapper” multiple people? but yes, misogyny, racism, and violent suppressed sadi-masochism.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 18:28 (two years ago) link

bulldog drummond too, yes.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 18:29 (two years ago) link

lol had forgotten bulldog drummond *was* a sapper hero fffs.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 18:30 (two years ago) link

dunno why i thought sapper was multiple people. who am i thinking of?

Fizzles, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 18:32 (two years ago) link

Several people

Wiggum Dorma (wins), Tuesday, 11 October 2022 18:32 (two years ago) link

omg haven’t done such a huge public eye roll in ages.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 18:36 (two years ago) link

Sappho and her seven eight nine sisters, maybe?

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 11 October 2022 18:49 (two years ago) link

O. Henry

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 October 2022 18:55 (two years ago) link

Did he even write any novels?

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 11 October 2022 18:57 (two years ago) link

Seems like the breeezy, easily anthologized short story writers will always have a life of some sort.

If I had to teach a literature class tomorrow (fortunately I do not have to), I betcha I would fall back on a lot of 20th century stuff like O. Henry, Vonnegut, LeGuin, Barthelme, Coover, Oates.

the floor is guava (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 11 October 2022 19:13 (two years ago) link

Ah I didn't think about the novelist designation

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 October 2022 20:11 (two years ago) link

Grainy obit photo of Conrad Knicerbocker just popped up on my screen and I almost gasped. Previous CK mention here

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 13 October 2022 14:21 (two years ago) link

Leading to a reminder of another novelist I still want to check out, thanks:

Charles Wright, Novelist, Dies at 76

By BRUCE WEBER
Published: October 8, 2008

Charles Wright, who wrote three autobiographical novels about black street life in New York City between 1963 and 1973 that seemed to herald the rise of an important literary talent but who vanished into alcoholism and despair and never published another book, died on Oct. 1 in Manhattan. He was 76 and lived in the East Village.

The cause was heart failure, said Jan Hodenfield, one of Mr. Wright’s former editors; earlier in the year, he said, Mr. Wright had learned that alcohol had eroded his liver. From the mid-1970s through the mid-1990s, Mr. Wright lived in the spare room of the Brooklyn apartment of Mr. Hodenfield and his family.

Mr. Wright’s three books were “The Messenger” (1963), “The Wig” (1966) and “Absolutely Nothing to Get Alarmed About” (1973), all published by Farrar, Straus & Giroux. Together they describe a loner’s life on the fringes of New York society, his protagonists stand-ins for himself, working at low-level jobs, living in low-rent apartments, hanging out with lowlife personalities.

“The Messenger” was the best received of the three, perhaps because it told a more universal tale about being an outsider.

“The Wig” is a far angrier effort. “Malevolent, bitter, glittering,” the critic Conrad Knickerbocker wrote in The New York Times, adding that Mr. Wright’s style was “as mean and vicious a weapon as a rusty hacksaw,” and that he wielded it against blacks as well as whites. The book is an occasionally surreal, comic portrait of a black man, Lester Jefferson, who feels he must hide his blackness to achieve the acceptance and material rewards he thinks he deserves.

“Absolutely Nothing,” most of which had been previously published in columns that Mr. Wright wrote for The Village Voice, is a chronicle of seedy adventures — as a dishwasher and porter, as a lover, as a drunk — that some critics questioned as self-hating, though others found it evocative and disturbing. The three books were republished in a single volume by HarperCollins in 1993.

Charles Stevenson Wright was born June 4, 1932, in New Franklin, Mo. His mother died when he was 4, and his father, a railroad porter, sent him to live with his maternal grandmother. When he was 14, they moved to another central Missouri town, Sedalia.

By that age, Charles was an avid reader and knew he wished to be a writer; he dropped out of high school and spent his days in the library, and according to one story he told the Hodenfield family, he would read magazines in their bound stacks at the railroad station because he knew that once they got to the local drugstore, he wouldn’t be allowed in to look at them.

At 17, having read about the Handy Writers’ Colony in Marshall, Ill., newly founded by the novelist James Jones and others, he went there.

Mr. Wright served in the Army during the Korean War and moved to New York in his 20s. An early novel was rejected by Farrar, Straus, but an editor there encouraged him to write his own story, which became “The Messenger.” Over the next decade, his profligate habits — he told one interviewer his hobbies were smoking and drinking — seized hold of him. Mr. Hodenfield, who in the late 1960s was working at GQ Scene, a magazine for teenage boys, assigned him to write an article about Motown.

“He was a very strange man, and after we met I thought, ‘Well, this is not going to work,’ ” Mr. Hodenfield said. “Then he turned in the most perfect manuscript I’d ever received.”

The two men became friends, and when Mr. Hodenfield saw Mr. Wright, then 44, spiraling into oblivion, he offered him a room in his home. Mr. Wright leaves no survivors.

“He came to stay for a few weeks in 1976,” Mr. Hodenfield said. “And he stayed until just before he turned 64. He was a second father to both my children.”

― scott seward, Wednesday, October 15, 2008

dow, Thursday, 13 October 2022 17:56 (two years ago) link

Just heard a mention of Wilkie Collins

I don't think even I have ever read Wilkie Collins

the floor is guava (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 14 October 2022 16:46 (two years ago) link

others have

This I have observed as well.

We Have Never Been Secondary Modern (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 14 October 2022 16:50 (two years ago) link

the moonstone and the woman in white are still widely read. they are notable as early mystery novels.

formerly abanana (dat), Friday, 14 October 2022 22:46 (two years ago) link

Armadale is the best. It's got four characters named Allan Armadale and a really awesome female villain.

Lily Dale, Friday, 14 October 2022 23:27 (two years ago) link

The worst Wilkie Collins I read was about a man who marries a blind girl who is deathly of people with brown skin even though she has never actually seen one. He gets some kind of fatal disease that can only be cured by medicine that darkens his skin. The doctor who saves him figures out how to restore the wife’s sight. Knowing that she will be repulsed by him, he has his still white twin brother switch places with him.

Should read Deathly afraid

Wasn’t that one made into a Douglas Sirk film?

We Have Never Been Secondary Modern (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 October 2022 01:57 (two years ago) link


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