Novelists No One Reads Anymore

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I'd imagine that even within the territory of vintage noir fiction Spillane's incessant bigotry and law & order fascism have made him somewhat difficult for modern audiences to take. He's also kind of a Michael Bay, OTT take on the genre that I think ppl can't really get with.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 10 October 2022 10:28 (two years ago) link

Spillane's popularity partly a result of him 'getting away' with more salacious material than was permitted in films or TV at the time. Once that was no longer the case, the actual quality of the writing wasn't good enough to last in the way that Chandler, Hammett, Cain etc have lasted.

Ward Fowler, Monday, 10 October 2022 10:47 (two years ago) link

I read Friends of Eddie Coyle because Elmore Leonard would often mention it in interviews as a perfect crime novel.

Think they've now run out of unfinished novels and outlines, but Max Allan Collins has been completing and releasing Mike Hammer books for years now, with Spillane's blessing.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 10 October 2022 16:28 (two years ago) link

So the ilx hivemind reports that Spillane may have a small remnant of his former readership, but it is fast disappearing and if he has a chance of being read twenty years from now it might be down to just Friends of Eddie Coyle.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 10 October 2022 18:08 (two years ago) link

Don't see the connection between Spillane and Friends of Eddie Coyle.

dow, Monday, 10 October 2022 18:45 (two years ago) link

Was either a typo or a joke maybe

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 10 October 2022 18:48 (two years ago) link

I see now that the Eddie Coyle remark was harking back to GV Higgins and I was confused by that because I've not read either Higgins or Spillane, as befits a thread about authors no one reads.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 10 October 2022 19:28 (two years ago) link

You seem to be taking the Non-Self thing pretty literally.

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 10 October 2022 19:43 (two years ago) link

talk about spillane made me realise that no one has mentioned Sapper here. an extremely good example. i can’t imagine very many of any people choosing to pick up a Sapper book these days.

in general the railway thriller and its sequel the spy thriller would have to be v lucky to have any sort of lifespan beyond their immediate context. anthony price was another name i thought of this morning in that regard (though it’s still possible to buy his books, some of them formally quite surprising iirc). also thought about dick francis in this regard but he’s probably still fairly well read i imagine, and not just in the horsey set.

Fizzles, Monday, 10 October 2022 20:04 (two years ago) link

You seem to be taking the Non-Self thing pretty literally.

Could be a side effect of all the killfiles.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 10 October 2022 22:16 (two years ago) link

I read a Bulldog Drummond once. It was good fun though obviously politically indefensible - though I will say it was interesting as a person of German origin reading something that so explicitly sees Germans as Evil, gave me a "oh so this is how it must feel for marginalized people all the time reading fiction" moment.

John Buchan seems to be the one to have survived from that early spy thriller era, gets republished by Penguin a lot I feel.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 09:48 (two years ago) link

Basically I think that if it's classic genre fiction, and doubly so if it's British, it'll be in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comics and some saddos like myself will have tracked it down as a result.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 09:49 (two years ago) link

"sapper" <-- call him by his name, he earned his quotemarks (gassed in ww1 and died young as a result)

based on wikipedia (the root of all sublte biography) he seems like a p terrible person lol

mark s, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 09:54 (two years ago) link

wasn’t “sapper” multiple people? but yes, misogyny, racism, and violent suppressed sadi-masochism.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 18:28 (two years ago) link

bulldog drummond too, yes.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 18:29 (two years ago) link

lol had forgotten bulldog drummond *was* a sapper hero fffs.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 18:30 (two years ago) link

dunno why i thought sapper was multiple people. who am i thinking of?

Fizzles, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 18:32 (two years ago) link

Several people

Wiggum Dorma (wins), Tuesday, 11 October 2022 18:32 (two years ago) link

omg haven’t done such a huge public eye roll in ages.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 18:36 (two years ago) link

Sappho and her seven eight nine sisters, maybe?

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 11 October 2022 18:49 (two years ago) link

O. Henry

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 October 2022 18:55 (two years ago) link

Did he even write any novels?

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 11 October 2022 18:57 (two years ago) link

Seems like the breeezy, easily anthologized short story writers will always have a life of some sort.

If I had to teach a literature class tomorrow (fortunately I do not have to), I betcha I would fall back on a lot of 20th century stuff like O. Henry, Vonnegut, LeGuin, Barthelme, Coover, Oates.

the floor is guava (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 11 October 2022 19:13 (two years ago) link

Ah I didn't think about the novelist designation

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 October 2022 20:11 (two years ago) link

Grainy obit photo of Conrad Knicerbocker just popped up on my screen and I almost gasped. Previous CK mention here

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 13 October 2022 14:21 (two years ago) link

Leading to a reminder of another novelist I still want to check out, thanks:

Charles Wright, Novelist, Dies at 76

By BRUCE WEBER
Published: October 8, 2008

Charles Wright, who wrote three autobiographical novels about black street life in New York City between 1963 and 1973 that seemed to herald the rise of an important literary talent but who vanished into alcoholism and despair and never published another book, died on Oct. 1 in Manhattan. He was 76 and lived in the East Village.

The cause was heart failure, said Jan Hodenfield, one of Mr. Wright’s former editors; earlier in the year, he said, Mr. Wright had learned that alcohol had eroded his liver. From the mid-1970s through the mid-1990s, Mr. Wright lived in the spare room of the Brooklyn apartment of Mr. Hodenfield and his family.

Mr. Wright’s three books were “The Messenger” (1963), “The Wig” (1966) and “Absolutely Nothing to Get Alarmed About” (1973), all published by Farrar, Straus & Giroux. Together they describe a loner’s life on the fringes of New York society, his protagonists stand-ins for himself, working at low-level jobs, living in low-rent apartments, hanging out with lowlife personalities.

“The Messenger” was the best received of the three, perhaps because it told a more universal tale about being an outsider.

“The Wig” is a far angrier effort. “Malevolent, bitter, glittering,” the critic Conrad Knickerbocker wrote in The New York Times, adding that Mr. Wright’s style was “as mean and vicious a weapon as a rusty hacksaw,” and that he wielded it against blacks as well as whites. The book is an occasionally surreal, comic portrait of a black man, Lester Jefferson, who feels he must hide his blackness to achieve the acceptance and material rewards he thinks he deserves.

“Absolutely Nothing,” most of which had been previously published in columns that Mr. Wright wrote for The Village Voice, is a chronicle of seedy adventures — as a dishwasher and porter, as a lover, as a drunk — that some critics questioned as self-hating, though others found it evocative and disturbing. The three books were republished in a single volume by HarperCollins in 1993.

Charles Stevenson Wright was born June 4, 1932, in New Franklin, Mo. His mother died when he was 4, and his father, a railroad porter, sent him to live with his maternal grandmother. When he was 14, they moved to another central Missouri town, Sedalia.

By that age, Charles was an avid reader and knew he wished to be a writer; he dropped out of high school and spent his days in the library, and according to one story he told the Hodenfield family, he would read magazines in their bound stacks at the railroad station because he knew that once they got to the local drugstore, he wouldn’t be allowed in to look at them.

At 17, having read about the Handy Writers’ Colony in Marshall, Ill., newly founded by the novelist James Jones and others, he went there.

Mr. Wright served in the Army during the Korean War and moved to New York in his 20s. An early novel was rejected by Farrar, Straus, but an editor there encouraged him to write his own story, which became “The Messenger.” Over the next decade, his profligate habits — he told one interviewer his hobbies were smoking and drinking — seized hold of him. Mr. Hodenfield, who in the late 1960s was working at GQ Scene, a magazine for teenage boys, assigned him to write an article about Motown.

“He was a very strange man, and after we met I thought, ‘Well, this is not going to work,’ ” Mr. Hodenfield said. “Then he turned in the most perfect manuscript I’d ever received.”

The two men became friends, and when Mr. Hodenfield saw Mr. Wright, then 44, spiraling into oblivion, he offered him a room in his home. Mr. Wright leaves no survivors.

“He came to stay for a few weeks in 1976,” Mr. Hodenfield said. “And he stayed until just before he turned 64. He was a second father to both my children.”

― scott seward, Wednesday, October 15, 2008

dow, Thursday, 13 October 2022 17:56 (two years ago) link

Just heard a mention of Wilkie Collins

I don't think even I have ever read Wilkie Collins

the floor is guava (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 14 October 2022 16:46 (two years ago) link

others have

This I have observed as well.

We Have Never Been Secondary Modern (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 14 October 2022 16:50 (two years ago) link

the moonstone and the woman in white are still widely read. they are notable as early mystery novels.

formerly abanana (dat), Friday, 14 October 2022 22:46 (two years ago) link

Armadale is the best. It's got four characters named Allan Armadale and a really awesome female villain.

Lily Dale, Friday, 14 October 2022 23:27 (two years ago) link

The worst Wilkie Collins I read was about a man who marries a blind girl who is deathly of people with brown skin even though she has never actually seen one. He gets some kind of fatal disease that can only be cured by medicine that darkens his skin. The doctor who saves him figures out how to restore the wife’s sight. Knowing that she will be repulsed by him, he has his still white twin brother switch places with him.

Should read Deathly afraid

Wasn’t that one made into a Douglas Sirk film?

We Have Never Been Secondary Modern (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 October 2022 01:57 (two years ago) link

Oh yeah I think my mom warned me about that one. But I thought his skin turned blue, not brown? or did I get it confused with another completely bonkers book?

Lily Dale, Saturday, 15 October 2022 02:43 (two years ago) link

I think it was bluish-black. The woman was particularly fearful of people from India.

Dunno if this is what happens in the story but there are real life cases of ppls skin turning blue from taking colloidal silver for supposed (but I think nonexistent) health benefits

Wiggum Dorma (wins), Saturday, 15 October 2022 11:41 (two years ago) link

Yes, that would be enough to freak out the Indiaphobe, if she knows about this, ondowntoearth.com

Religious interpretation of blue

Etymologically speaking, the Sanskrit word ‘Krishna’ means black or dark. At times, it is also translated as “all attractive”. According to Vedas, Lord Krishna is a dark-skinned Dravidian god. Even in traditional patta chitras (cloth art) in Odisha, Lord Krishna and Vishnu are always shown having black skin. Then why is Lord Krishna universally depicted as someone with blue skin?

Hindu religion believes in symbolisms and the blue color is a symbol of the infinite and the immeasurable. According to Swami Chinmayananda, the inspiration behind Chinmaya Mission, whatever is immeasurable can appear to the mortal eye only as blue, just like the cloudless summer sky appears blue to the physical eye. Since Lord Krishna is beyond our perception, it seemed apt to attribute this colour to him.

dow, Saturday, 15 October 2022 16:56 (two years ago) link

i think as long as people read dickens a small percentage of those will also read wilkie collins (was writing partner in his various magazines, along with gaskell and a few others. actually, those nameless others might be candidates for this thread)

koogs, Saturday, 15 October 2022 17:11 (two years ago) link

R.D. Blackmore

Wilkie Collins is cool.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 October 2022 17:37 (two years ago) link

I greatly enjoyed Phoebe Judge's reading of The Moonstone. It did indulge in a bit of Orientalism, but no more than most works of the time.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 15 October 2022 18:18 (two years ago) link

Some of Dickens other peers were William Ainsworth, Thomas Love Peacock, Mrs. Henry Wood, Bulwer-Lytton, Charles Kingsley, George MacDonald, Charles Reade

Charles Reade is a lot of fun, esp. Foul Play

Lily Dale, Saturday, 15 October 2022 21:38 (two years ago) link

bulwer-lytton is reponsible for snoopy's "it was a dark and stormy night" and also the concept of VRIL

george macdonald's thing was GOBLINS

mark s, Saturday, 15 October 2022 21:46 (two years ago) link

Trollope also contributed to All The Year Round. and Gaskell. and Le Fanu. but those were the only names i could name anything by.

koogs, Sunday, 16 October 2022 00:12 (two years ago) link

I hope people still read Trollope's The Way We Live Now: a vast banger and still timely.

dow, Sunday, 16 October 2022 03:47 (two years ago) link

I've never Trolloped, but it's so Dickens adjacent and lily has been talking it up so much that he's on my to-do list for next year.

Ainsworth sounds like it might be a romp, his highway-man stuff. also plague and fire stuff.

koogs, Sunday, 16 October 2022 06:23 (two years ago) link


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