Taking Sides: the TLS v. the LRB

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That's a good clear description, Mark S, and I like your droll Reynolds reference, though I'm not sure what being in two keys at once would sound like.

the pinefox, Friday, 27 January 2023 16:19 (one year ago) link

There is a collected Tim Parks on Italian lit: https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Literary_Tour_of_Italy/Nn5jDwAAQBAJ?hl=en

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 28 January 2023 00:08 (one year ago) link

Thanks!

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 28 January 2023 00:46 (one year ago) link

pinefox asks what being in two keys at once might sound like?

At the harsh end check the Petrushka fanfare here (e.g. the phrase played by two clarinets): it’s a C major chord and an F# major chord played against one another. Petrushka is a puppet, agile but also somehow broken, a mocking, annoying, somewhat pitiful figure that’s very much being jeered at by his own motif. As keys, C major and F# major are as “distant” from one another in standard harmonic terms as it’s possible to be.

At the non-harsh blurry end, well, I’d probably be shouted at by an orthodox and qualified musicologist here for calling this bitonal — not least because for convenience I’m simply reaching for a piece I know well — but if it isn’t strictly speaking bitonal it’s definitely in the run-up towards it: Debussy’s Claire de Lune. Which is ostensibly — via key signature and eventual resolution — in Db major but constantly flirts with being in Fminor. Now (as you know) Db major and Fminor are extremely closely related: as chords they basically largely overlap, and entirely overlap once you look at 6th or 7th chords (and Debussy can’t keep his eyes off 6th and 7th chords). So describing as “bitonal” a piece that hovers between these keys is really really stretching a point. But if it’s not both-at-once like Petrushka, the piece is just so dense with meltingly deliberate playful ambiguity: harmonically it’s constantly saying “is it? isn’t it?” and deploying sequences that amplify blurred undecideability despite the resolved conclusion.

And of course — like Delius and also Britten (another composer often put in the “bitonal” bag) — Debussy is very associated with sea pieces and water musics. “Undulating” (rather than e.g. — technical term — “modulating”) often seems a good semi-poetic description of what’s going on in the harmonies?

I don’t really know Delius’s work at all and when I hunted the internet for which pieces or passages are termed bitonal, I did find some but also found a lot more homework than I have time for this weekend tracking down the relevant sections and links to examples etc. But the above at least sketches the two contrasting zones and feels I had in mind.

(This btw is the first piece on Delius I’ve *ever read* which doesn’t talk abt Eric Fenby his amanuensis: Delius was blind so Fenby wrote out his music scores for him, and in all the time I’ve ever known the word Fenby is the only person ever given the job description “amanuensis” — which is basically just a fancy word for assistant or secretary… )

mark s, Saturday, 28 January 2023 13:05 (one year ago) link

(i mean it's not a bit relevant to the piece so fair enough! it's more a sign of a cliched the writing was that i absorbed when i was young and studying this stuff officially)

mark s, Saturday, 28 January 2023 13:13 (one year ago) link

Samuel Beckett used to be referred to as Joyce's amanuensis!

the pinefox, Saturday, 28 January 2023 13:51 (one year ago) link

!!

mark s, Saturday, 28 January 2023 13:57 (one year ago) link

By who?

The Big Candy-O (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 January 2023 13:58 (one year ago) link

Well, possibly by Richard Ellmann, for starters. Usage of the term for that relationship has been very common - but perhaps more so in decades past than now.

the pinefox, Saturday, 28 January 2023 13:58 (one year ago) link

I wasn't sure what Mark S meant about Dbm and Fm, so I actually just tried it on a piano - even playing both at once.

I do hear a resonance (overlap?) between them, but also a dissonance, some elements that don't belong together.

My experience of 'composition' - I wouldn't even claim that word - is merely of writing songs, not the kind of advanced thing that Delius presumably wrote, so I'm not sure that I really understand how one would write in two keys at once, whereas I suppose I can understand writing in a key that is a blend of two different chords.

the pinefox, Saturday, 28 January 2023 13:58 (one year ago) link

I had a friend who allegedly used to walk her dog (or somebody’s) with Beckett while he walked his in Paris but I never had the nerve to ask her about it.

The Big Candy-O (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 January 2023 13:59 (one year ago) link

it's amanuenses all the way down

mark s, Saturday, 28 January 2023 14:02 (one year ago) link

Samuel Beckett used to be referred to as Joyce's amanuensis!


Makes sense— the student improved on the teacher, and vastly so.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Saturday, 28 January 2023 16:53 (one year ago) link

i am also historically inclined to be disappointed by john lahr (i read his orton biog 40 odd years ago and was at the time underwhelmed)

however i think his keaton piece is excellent -- good as a pocket biography of an important figure and art-form and actually one of the best slices of pop-culture criticism i've read for a while (and possibly ever) in the lrb, describing expertly where silent-comedy slapstick came from, how the clowning worked and what its power was, and why and how it was leeched away (including into various reaches of the official avant garde: inc.artaud and brecht and beckett)

ALSO -- this isn't in the piece but i just discovered it when looking up how old lahr is (81) -- he is the second (and better)* of connie booth's husbands :0

*my opinion but clearly also hers as they have been an item for c.35 years now

mark s, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 14:53 (one year ago) link

I've not read much of Lahr's work but that was an excellent review and thoroughly enjoyable piece. I started watching some Keaton over Xmas so good timing.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 3 February 2023 08:59 (one year ago) link

mark, I’m afraid your ALSO find got scooped by ILX0r Josefa over on this thread: Old time actors and directors that you were surprised to find out were married to each other once upon a time

And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 3 February 2023 20:06 (one year ago) link

visited my aged aunt today (90, sleeps mostly) and passed the shop where i bought my first ever LRB (18 11 82, cover = drawn portrait of the young neal ascherson)

mark s, Saturday, 4 February 2023 21:31 (one year ago) link

Extraordinary - to have a drawing of a contributor!

Glad they don't do this now.

FALKLANDS LITERATURE sounds useful.

the pinefox, Sunday, 5 February 2023 09:16 (one year ago) link

an intriguing aspect of those early years -- and i think their covers game was generally actually really strong in the 80s, bold cryptic black-and-white -- was that you very often didn't know who or what the picture was until you'd bought it and peered inside, since the explanatory caption was on the inside front cover. they liked super-minimalist contents teasers! (this would be karl miller's choices i assume)

viz the rest of that year (mostly issues before my first ever): https://www.lrb.co.uk/archive/v04

mark s, Sunday, 5 February 2023 11:34 (one year ago) link

The old covers were much stronger than this sort nothing splash of colour they have now.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 5 February 2023 11:50 (one year ago) link

RETVRN

mark s, Sunday, 5 February 2023 12:05 (one year ago) link

If that's not Bernard Hill then I don't know who it is.

the pinefox, Sunday, 5 February 2023 14:38 (one year ago) link

even as a known non-fan of james wolcott i found the giuliani piece exhausting

mark s, Thursday, 9 February 2023 17:49 (one year ago) link

LRB 2.2.2023.

Jonathan Rée on Hayek: I don't usually relish Rée but this is the exception - the best thing I've ever read by him. Hayek doesn't sound at all something to relish, either, but Rée does a tremendous job of narrating the prehistory of Hayek's neoliberalism, through Ludwig von Mises. For a philosopher, Rée's grasp of economics in this essay is remarkable. Hayek surprisingly emerges as more thoughtful and sensible than you'd expect, a bit like Adam Smith said many communalist things.

Michael Wood on Zeffirelli: one of MW's better film reviews for some time, with some characteristic Woodian passages: 'we wonder for a while if the movie isn't going to include a few songs' - though the last paragraph or so lacks much meaning . I am now reminded to mention MW's line in his previous Rimbaud essay on the virtues of walking around academic libraries.

Andrew O'Hagan on Prince Harry: I don't like O'Hagan, a preening poseur of a writer, who often writes phrases to sound tough or impressive despite their not being true. But in this particular case he does repeatedly get to the point, a good point or two, about Harry being contradictory in wanting normality and royal privilege, criticising royalty without fundamentally doing so. One of O'Hagan's best performances in a long time.

Mary Hannity on interwar psychoanalytic thought: reminds me that I'm glad that psychoanalysis is not my world.

Maureen McLane on H.D.: H.D. can't have been discussed much in the LRB in 15 years, so this seems like a good topic. But the review is sometimes obnoxious and almost all the poetry quoted seems bad.

Owen Hatherley on Battersea Power Station: a strong critique. From limited experience, that vast building site of Vauxhall has been an awful thing. OH gives the impression that it's all been for no good.

the pinefox, Thursday, 9 February 2023 19:28 (one year ago) link

I'm quite a ways behind this thread, but just wanted to say that I enjoyed the Iain Sinclair piece on the London super sewer. My familiarity with Sinclair's output is mostly limited to the book Rodinsky's Room that he co-authored, but his style in this piece seems basically the same, despite the passage of years and difference in subject matter. I don't feel like Sinclair is a writer to read for facts or in fact to learn anything in particular. His prose only superficially resembles journalism, and beneath the veneer of professional respectability is a roiling sea of free association and bizarre juxtaposition. Its more like prose poetry to my mind, and is best enjoyed for its rhythms and imagery.

o. nate, Thursday, 9 February 2023 20:20 (one year ago) link

This will sound fighty - and I think it's a magnificent book! - but Sinclair is at his worst in *Rodinsky's Room*, or at least his style, his repertoire of tics and riffs, come off poorly against the stark background of Lichtenstein's story.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 9 February 2023 22:09 (one year ago) link

It's been a while since I've read it, but I do recall that the contrast in styles between the alternating chapters was stark.

o. nate, Thursday, 9 February 2023 22:24 (one year ago) link

The Wood piece seems entirely characteristic in ending up with the observation that we are watching real people, not just characters, but completely failing to include the fact the said real people have recently and loudly talked about how they felt used and abused as sexualised children by the director and the film, something that would have been interesting and pertinent, but would have required some research.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 10 February 2023 12:01 (one year ago) link

LRB 2.2.2023.

Loads of articles I have now read and will not comment on, except:

* the Spanish badger who discovered a hoard (p.27)
* numismatics languishing beside heraldry as an 'auxiliary science of history'! I haven't even thought of heraldry this way before, as an ongoing academic discipline. (p.25)
* article (pp.26-7) on the Rosetta Stone and / or reading hieroglyphs in general. A case of the LRB bringing in someone very expert on a field, giving them a short space to explain it - he does a good job, but mostly it's still, predictably, beyond me. (The appearance of Derrida in penultimate column further livens it up but is never likely to clarify anything.) I expect that Mark S will claim to understand it.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 13:20 (one year ago) link

oi

mark s, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 13:32 (one year ago) link

Last couple of pieces I've read :

Michael Ledger-lomas on Vivekananda, who was an interesting figure in the development of yoga in the early 20th century, and how that tradition translated to the West. Sort of funny to read an account of (mostly) Western women who fell under his spell (though he wasn't a cult leader-type), how they dote on him. Overall, as someone who does a lot of postural yoga and who knew of Vivekananda as someone who was dismissive of it I found it quite informative on the person and his journey.

In the latest issue there is Ian Pace on Hugo Wolf. This pianist-musicologist -- who is a very annoying liberal who yes has now picked the usual culture war bigotries on twitter -- imparts his knowledge on the course of late 19th century music, with not uninteresting stuff on the various factions. What gets lost is Hugo Wolf and why should we care?

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 18 February 2023 11:58 (one year ago) link

yes, i wanted a lot more on the shifting importance of the "song" as a valued form within the classical aesthetic, and (the curve would not be same shape). the shifts in its popularity also even back when i was studying music for a-level (mid-1970s), wolf was basically shunted into a halfway house: "important composer (know his name!) except also not important (he only wrote songs and we never analyse songs!)"

my own hurried theory of the decline in presence classical parlour song would address shifts in the focus of amateur musical activity (incuding the decline of parlours and of pianos in parlours) alongside the rise of recorded music (which introduced alternative forms of song and song-practice) -- but these actually probably impinge only indirectly on the attitude that high critical aesthetics took to the "song" (high critical aesthetics was slow to recognise recorded music as an instrumentality to pay mind to, and rarely gave a fvck abt amateur activity)

better still someone could explore it all who knew what they were talking about

(in conclusion: i'm not sure we *do* need to care abt hugo wolf, but that fact is interesting in itself)

mark s, Saturday, 18 February 2023 16:29 (one year ago) link

full stop before "the shifts" s/b after "its popularity"

mark s, Saturday, 18 February 2023 16:31 (one year ago) link

also s/b less pompous in delivery but i'm tired and can't write properly apparently

mark s, Saturday, 18 February 2023 16:40 (one year ago) link

I was once in a seminar on Roland Barthes' essay 'the grain of the voice', and someone fairly knowledgeable said that this was all about German 'lieder' which I believe were some kind of song.

I add that small fact to Mark S's history of classical song.

the pinefox, Saturday, 18 February 2023 17:55 (one year ago) link

yes that's right -- lieder is the normal german word for song (any song) but in the correct context very much means the kind of art song that eg dietrich fischer-dieskau would have sung

what i'm calling parlour song is a much broader (and tbh much vaguer) term which (i feel) functioned as the larger cultural space in which the lieder (dieskau mix) could flourish

mark s, Saturday, 18 February 2023 19:14 (one year ago) link

I saw a piece a while ago around arts cuts/how could classical survive. I don't think it mentioned a return of Lieder.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 18 February 2023 19:18 (one year ago) link

Standing in a small group in somebody’s house listening to a person sing is a hell of a lot more cringey than listening to someone play the piano.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Sunday, 19 February 2023 01:06 (one year ago) link

TS Lieder vs. Schlager

after the pinefox (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 February 2023 01:47 (one year ago) link

GENTLEMAN JIM really good. Now watching one with a different star from Errol Flynn that is fantastic. Will report later.

after the pinefox (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 February 2023 01:49 (one year ago) link

Ha. Wrong thread!

after the pinefox (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 February 2023 01:51 (one year ago) link

"Standing in a small group in somebody’s house listening to a person sing"

Thinking more of a small venue. If I got to a person's house I am stealing stuff.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 19 February 2023 08:42 (one year ago) link

i think that even in parlours listeners were allowed to sit down (but the territory is underresearched IMO -- at least in english, maybe there's loads of sociological liederchat in german -- and the fact that it's "cringe" is exactly the item that needs explanation tbh)

(this review did none of that work)

mark s, Sunday, 19 February 2023 12:10 (one year ago) link

LRB 16.2.2023.

James Wolcott on Guiliani: very strong, brisk, salty. One of the best pieces of writing I've seen from this mannered writer. He mentions the era of 'zero tolerance' as a RG policy area, and rather implies that it was successful. That's one area where more thorough critical analysis would be merited - but I guess Wolcott thinks that's not the territory of a biographer.

Bee Wilson on Paul Newman. People have remarked before that the LRB is poor or light on film - leaving aside the regular film reviews, ie: that it doesn't carry enough extended film work. Here's a fair instance of such work. I think it rests too much on the claim that Newman was fantastically good-looking. I don't like the casual judgment that Tom Cruise is much less handsome. I might even agree with it, but it's just too subjective to belong here.

Adam Mars-Jones on novel THE FURROWS: masterclass in close, technical, attentive eloquent criticism from perhaps still the finest reviewer of new fiction in English.

Terry Eagleton on Peter Brooks and narrative: outstanding in its way, though also, you could say, a montage of opinions TE has expressed before, most of which I agree with. I wonder if Brooks's slim book is a bit more suggestive than TE makes it sound.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 13:46 (one year ago) link

I was mixing up Peter Brooks with Peter Brook and thinking that the slim book was The Empty Space. As you were.

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 14:29 (one year ago) link

I thought it was about Peter Brook at first too (esp since he passed away a couple of months ago)

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 14:44 (one year ago) link

An LRB contributor quits her job.

Last week I resigned my post at QMUL. Although the sector as a whole is becoming inhospitable & I loved my students & colleagues, QMUL managerial decisions made staying untenable. For me the last straw was the cruel, craven call by management for students to snitch on us. https://t.co/gnDcUfBrhu pic.twitter.com/6ZzimMcvbd

— Laleh Khalili (@LalehKhalili) February 21, 2023

the pinefox, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 14:57 (one year ago) link

Zero tolerance certainly was successful at absolutely helping to destroy New York and put tons of people in prison.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 23:11 (one year ago) link


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