― Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Monday, 11 September 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― tom west (thomp), Monday, 11 September 2006 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 11 September 2006 23:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link
i have ordered both lies inc and the unteleported man, as i think reading both might be an interesting experience. thx jeff.
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 03:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link
The Man Who Japed (1956)Dr. Futurity (1960) Vulcan's Hammer (1960) The Crack in Space (1966)
Are the short stories still available in 5 volumes? You could probably cut that down to maybe 2 volumes of the really good ones, I'd recommend individual stories but I can't remember which one's which at the momemnt (and I have to go to bed). Maybe tomorrow!
How many film adaptations of Dick are there now? I've seen :
Blade RunnerTotal RecallA Scanner DarklyMinority ReportScreamers
John Woo made a film version of Paycheck (according to IMDB)?? 3 years ago??? I have no memory of this. There also seem to have been adaptations of Impostor and Confessions Of A Crap artist, and there's some suckass looking version of The Golden Man out soon (called Next) starring Nicolas Cage, great.
Go Tom!
― Matt #2 (Matt #2), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paul Eater (eater), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 5 January 2007 00:12 (seventeen years ago) link
The Game Players of Titan (1963)The Penultimate Truth (1964)The Crack in Space (1966)The Ganymede Takeover (1967) with Ray NelsonThe Zap Gun (1967)Our Friends from Frolix 8 (1970)Deus Irae (1976) with Roger ZelaznyThe Transmigration of Timothy Archer (1982)
i will probably be done by feb or so; i was thinking of doing the platonic dialogues this year, tho.
― tom west (thomp), Friday, 5 January 2007 01:38 (seventeen years ago) link
ii) he gets funnier the more you read, i guess. (but i like jokes more when they get repeated or extended, usually.)
iii) i find myself noting the recurring deployment both of standard SF tropes and dick's own more idiosyncratic ones in a way which is kind of new to me, although i am certain not new to people who e.g. read or write book-length studies of henry james. but i like (a lot) finding myself wondering what e.g. the non-realist colonisable and astrologically dated concept of mars is going to mean or represent or do in this particular fiction. (and his other repeated figures: schizophrenic viewpoints, dark-haired women, simulacra, religion...)
― tom west (thomp), Friday, 5 January 2007 01:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 5 January 2007 10:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― Paul Eater (eater), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link
Adam Gopnik on the new Library of America edition of Dick. Most telling sentence:
At the end of a Dick marathon, you end up admiring every one of his conceits and not a single one of his sentences.
― o. nate, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link
hah
that's not entirely true, i think. the first person voices in VALIS and 'timothy archer' are uneven but nuanced, compelling, i guess.
also some of his conceits are lame, duh
― thomp, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link
gosh, i was trying pretty hard earlier on this thread.
― thomp, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link
The newly published non-SF one sounds interesting - 'Voices from the Street', I think. I've only read one other of his non-SF books, 'Confessions of a Crap Artist', but I really liked it. 'Ubik' is still my favourite PKD so far, though.
― James Morrison, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 01:45 (seventeen years ago) link
That Gopnik also found Man in the High Castle to be somewhat unrepresentative and a bit too restrained does give me hope to read something else by Dick, since I was also a bit disappointed by it.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link
I always liked Flow My Tears The Policeman Said but it rarely gets mentioned. The televison personality/identity crisis angle is possibly relevant in our celebrity obsessed reality TV age. Or not.
― m coleman, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link
my faves, beyond valis, are:
three stigmata ubik martian time slip
can we speculate about all the chicks named 'pat' or 'patty' or 'peg'?
― remy bean, Thursday, 23 August 2007 04:56 (seventeen years ago) link
i think i liked 'eye in the sky' and 'dr. bloodmoney' for sheer weirdness
― remy bean, Thursday, 23 August 2007 04:58 (seventeen years ago) link
simulacra, crack, alphane, and lies, inc. all suxor. well, maybe the last one does -- i have no idea what it's about
― remy bean, Thursday, 23 August 2007 04:59 (seventeen years ago) link
I was right with you, Remy, till Alphane. Who couldn't love Lord Running Clam, the psychic slime mold?
I am avoiding the Gopnik piece.
― eater, Thursday, 23 August 2007 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link
i am so with you on Lord Running Clam
― thomp, Sunday, 26 August 2007 08:36 (seventeen years ago) link
http://lareviewofbooks.org/post/18187221884/the-exegete
hey tom have you read 'the exegesis'?
― j., Friday, 24 February 2012 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
This description and evaluation seems plausibly off-putting (ditto having Lethem involved; he's gotten less reliable)http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/18/books/review/the-exegesis-of-philip-k-dick-edited-by-pamela-jackson-jonathan-lethem-and-erik-davis-book-review.html?pagewanted=all
― dow, Sunday, 26 February 2012 01:52 (twelve years ago) link
I can't really get into VALIS
― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 26 February 2012 02:01 (twelve years ago) link
there's ... some other dudes providing annotations for the exegesis, too; that LARB thing goes into a bit more detail: "Jackson, who in the late 1990s wrote a dissertation on the Exegesis at UC Berkeley, did yeoman work puzzling through a jumbled mass of file folders to impose a clear chronological sequence on the material; and associate editor Davis, author of Techgnosis: Myth, Magic, and Mysticism in the Age of Information, assembled a diverse array of talents — including novelist Steve Erickson, critic N. Katherine Hayles, and blogger David Gill, whose website “Total Dick-head” is the best online compendium of Dickiana — to generate the shrewd, erudite, sometimes quite witty annotations. Lethem probably deserves the most credit (or blame) for persuading Houghton Mifflin to publish it in the first place
aand no i haven't read it. the descriptions make it sound like it belongs in a casebook and not something to be published for people to, you know, "enjoy" --
― desperado, rough rider (thomp), Monday, 27 February 2012 10:28 (twelve years ago) link
also i'm aware there's like two of his sf novels i haven't read but i can't remember which ones anymore
i didn't ask if you had enjoyed it!
― j., Monday, 27 February 2012 11:46 (twelve years ago) link
I enjoyed it, thought it morphed into balancing act of the rational and crackpot, via novelist's professionalism, gift, grit, aelf-observation, and obsession. Meanwhile, I just ordered The Broken Bubble, stii OOP but good price on UK pb. Ordered Humpty Dumpty In Oakland last week, will order In Milton Lumpky Territory...soon (trying to pace my own obsessions). Gather Yourselves Together will be reissued July 12 or 17, according to my handwriting (I'd look it up, but don't want to go screenshopping again tonight). In July, I will have all of PKD's non-sf novels. Mary And The Giant and The Broken Bubble are the ones I've read so far (TBB from library). Apprentice fiction? Maybe, but already satisfies as only PKD's combination of strengths and limitations can. Of course, like Hendrix, Coltrane, Dylan, Hank Williams,Jane Austin and the Brontes, works will keep materializing eternally. How about those high school notebooks,dammit? You know they're out there.
― dow, Monday, 5 March 2012 04:55 (twelve years ago) link
ha, i don't know if i mentioned it but in my conception of 'all of pkd's work' i was for some reason implicitly rejecting the non-SF stuff
― desperado, rough rider (thomp), Monday, 5 March 2012 12:58 (twelve years ago) link
Don't do that, VALIS and Ubik will get you. Seems like it's unusual, at least, to have so much of the non-SF in print/readily available at the same time? A fateful convergence.
― dow, Monday, 5 March 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
Fateful because I may read all that when I should be doing something else? Noooooo
― dow, Monday, 5 March 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
confining myself to the SF novels published in his lifetime i have yet to read the following:The Game Players of Titan (1963)The Penultimate Truth (1964)The Crack in Space (1966)The Ganymede Takeover (1967) with Ray NelsonThe Zap Gun (1967)Our Friends from Frolix 8 (1970)Deus Irae (1976) with Roger ZelaznyThe Transmigration of Timothy Archer (1982)
i will probably be done by feb or so
― tom west (thomp), Friday, 5 January 2007 01:38 (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i only read like two of these
maaaaan
― desperado, rough rider (thomp), Monday, 5 March 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
still trying to get through VALIS
best part is, there are two more after it :/
― flagp∞st (dayo), Monday, 5 March 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
i loved 'radio free albemuth' when i was a teenager so i was a little confused as to how 'valis' could be the same material but not as good to me. but i don't remember much about 'valis', i guess it didn't stick at all.
― j., Tuesday, 6 March 2012 02:47 (twelve years ago) link
j did you know there was a movie of albemuth starring alanis morrissette? how did i not know this?
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so i reread 'palmer eldritch' after finding a 70s penguin copy lying around: this is one of the few versions of this cover design that actually works, oddly.
http://www.penguinsciencefiction.org/images/3399_PHILIP_K_DICK_The_Three_Stigmata_of_Palmer_Eldritch_1973.jpg
this i last read ... ages ago. and i remember not particularly liking or 'getting' it at the time. anyway this is the first one i've read in a while i think; i'd forgotten how all of his novels include either someone trapped in a confining marrage or menaced by a younger, sexually intimidating woman. (or both at once.)
as a novel it's predictably a mess. (richard hnatt's viewpoint vanishes after 50 pages to make space for the novel to be structured around the big hallucinatory setpieces.) i'm curious how much of that is due to incorporating the short story i never read - 'the days of perky pat' - which is where the martian colonists come from, the ones taking a drug which allows imaginative projection into a barbie-doll facsimile of affluent life. (which is, like, the grimmest fable about reification imaginable, and totally fails to work as narrative otherwise.) i don't know if the alignment of this with catholic sacrament exists in the short story or if it's part of the novel. and then there's, um, gnosticism, and stuff. and the garden of eden and candide. and a rather telegraphed explanation in conventional SF terms.
there's so many philip k dick protagonists who are, like, working in management for manufacturing concerns. like he gets assimilated to 'postmodernism' in some fairly tedious ways but i hadn't thought before about how much there is about commodities and being alienated from one's labour in there. (but this stuff directly related to the trippiness and the god stuff and the schizophrenia stuff.) (it'd be amazing if none of the critical efforts on him were any good; by now it seems someone must have managed it; it seems so easy, man. it's all there.)
― desperado, rough rider (thomp), Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
starring alanis morisette as... who? i forget a lot about that book.
― j., Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
I'd like to see that, she played God in Dogma, so why not. I should get back into PKD's short stories (read "Autofac," think that's the title: about revolt of the human over/underlords, being smothered by super-reliable autoservants, totally fucking tight and good, speculative poetic justice), So many writers can be better when not always pressured into autoserving novels, novels, novels, however expectedly unexpected the results.
― dow, Sunday, 11 March 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
i'm reading all of his works right now, these are the ones i have but haven't read yet. just finished time out of joint, before that high castle. my favorite is flow my tears. where should i go next?
Solar Lottery (1955) The Man Who Japed (1956)The Game Players of Titan (1963) Clans of the Alphane Moon (1964) The Simulacra (1964) The Penultimate Truth (1964) Dr. Bloodmoney (1965) The Zap Gun (1967) Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (1968) A Maze of Death (1970) Our Friends from Frolix 8 (1970) We Can Build You (1972) Confessions of a Crap Artist (1975) The Divine Invasion (1981) The Transmigration of Timothy Archer (1982) Radio Free Albemuth (1985)
― flappy bird, Sunday, 24 January 2016 21:44 (eight years ago) link
Crap Artist is very good, like Richard Yates pushed to further extremes, but not SF
From the SF, I'd do Penultimate Truth next--it's very entertaining
― like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Monday, 25 January 2016 03:12 (eight years ago) link
Maze of Death is quick and goofy/pulpy, not one of his best but I kinda like it anyway
― ciderpress, Monday, 25 January 2016 03:31 (eight years ago) link
I remember Alphane and Bloodmoney being tons of fun.
― major tom's cabin (Jon not Jon), Monday, 25 January 2016 03:55 (eight years ago) link
^^^^
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Monday, 25 January 2016 04:49 (eight years ago) link