Everything is Whirling and Twirling! What Are You Reading this Summer 2023?

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I picked it up more or less as a 'name check' exercise, having heard about it and knowing nothing else. It was an immediate fail for me. Too directly aimed at kids (mainly boys) of roughly 11 to 15. And the writing style was a romanticized to within an inch of its life.

what's wrong with aiming books at boys?

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 12:42 (eleven months ago) link

I'd say nothing but it's fair to list "I'm not the demographic" as a reason to drop a book.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 27 June 2023 13:06 (eleven months ago) link

I’m….not so sure about that

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 13:47 (eleven months ago) link

Well, I was reading too much into it, “age demographic” does make sense to me. Otherwise the statement gives me pause

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 13:48 (eleven months ago) link

Read a few new chaps yesterday, and then today decided that I will try to read as much of I can of Olson’s The Maximus Poems at breakfast each morning until I finish. I’ve never read more than sections of it and his other work, and frankly never understood the hype or how his own theories are played out in the poems. But I’ve read much related to his work, and Prynne and a few others I admire were friends with him, so I figure: why not?

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 13:51 (eleven months ago) link

i must admit to being slightly disappointed in SWTWC it when i finally read it. love bradbury, just not this bradbury. SWTWC read more like stephen king or koontz (both no doubt influenced by him)

koogs, Tuesday, 27 June 2023 13:56 (eleven months ago) link

I read it I think on a trip to visit my Dad so mid teens and maybe just a little olkd for it. Thought it was an interesting book and I know they made a film of it in the early 80s.
So haven't read it in like 40 years but did enjoy it when I did.

I guess its visiting a scenario that has been used elsewhere but I did think it pretty good at the time.

Looking at IMDB for year film was made I think the film poster may have been the book cover on my copy so I was doing some more adult things at the time but still in my mid teens. Possibly in Kenya rather tahn NYC as i was first thinking but did occur to me that I might have been there.

Stevo, Tuesday, 27 June 2023 14:02 (eleven months ago) link

And the writing style was a romanticized to within an inch of its life.
This would be my main concern. Have only read a few of his short stories (that I recall), but most of those were memorably small town or rural creepy, and at least one, about a Martian child who wanders into a desolate community of Earthlings, not knowing how to control the native ability to mirror images from the needy memories of these aliens (used for defensive purposes by adult Martians in other stories), is devastating (have suppressed memory of title).

dow, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 02:49 (eleven months ago) link

there are two 900+ page volumes of Bradbury's short stories out and they still don't contain everything that's in the various smaller collections afaict.

favourites, so far, are The Scythe, The Emissary (the one about the boy stuck at home and the dog that fetches for him) and, obv, There Will Come Soft Rains.

currently rereading Fahrenheit 451 and, short though it is, i can't help but feel it'd make a killer short story.

koogs, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 05:47 (eleven months ago) link

Ireland At The Crossroads Theresa O'Donohoe
book by an activist organiser about a situation arising from a DP centre being announced in Lisdoornvarna the small town/village that is best known for a matchmaking festival for horny farmers. She gets involved when a friend who attended teh initial information evening needs support to allow her opinion to be heard when right wingers take over the meeting and subsequent agenda. I think this was a really informative book since the way the author responded to things seems really rational and thankfully she had some related experience in activism. She sets up a welcomi9ng group and a FB page that then get misrepresented by the far right.
I found this a really fast read , took mew about 2 1/2 hours , some of that is because a lot of pages have reprints of screenshots from social media used during this. & her writing style is pretty clear. I can now pass this back to the library and get it to the next person waiting to read it. But yeah recommended. I think methods used may be more universal for welcoming incoming groups and dealing with the right wing.
Events described happened in 2018 and I think book came out this year.

I found a cheap copy of
Kate Lister Harlots, Whores and Hackabouts while looking through a sale box in a local bookshop because I had gone into town to get the O'Donohoe book.
I read this last year and do like teh author a lot. I listen to her podcast Betwixt The Sheets when it comes out twice a week .Did really want a copy of this so now have one. Still need to read her other book A Curious History of Sex though which I hope to remedy before long.

Stevo, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 10:39 (eleven months ago) link

I love Ray Bradburys stories but haven’t read any novel by him. I always lose patience.

o. nate, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 12:06 (eleven months ago) link

I’m counting Martian Chronicles as stories.

o. nate, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 12:07 (eleven months ago) link

Right

Looking For Mr. Goodreads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 12:15 (eleven months ago) link

I read SWTWC more than once as a kid, I do recall the prose style but I guess I just accepted it. Lots of memorable scenes and images have stuck with me.

Just started Alex Haley's Roots. Hopefully I will finally get to know what Sinead O'Connor is singing about in Mandinka.

ledge, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 12:35 (eleven months ago) link

it's an amazing story of how a slave ended up as chief engineer on the Enterprise D.

koogs, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 15:52 (eleven months ago) link

The soundtrack by the Everly Brothers is pretty good.

Looking For Mr. Goodreads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 15:53 (eleven months ago) link

The John Lennon soundtrack would have been good too if Morris Levy hadn't tinkered with it.

Looking For Mr. Goodreads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 15:54 (eleven months ago) link

For good and ill, reading Bradbury is to be aware that he wrote, by his own admission, 'at the top of his lungs'.

Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 16:14 (eleven months ago) link

Which reminds me once again of Henry Kuttner telling a young Ray Bradbury: “You give away all your steam. No wonder you never finish your stories. You talk them all out. Shut up.”

Looking For Mr. Goodreads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 16:21 (eleven months ago) link

"Try taking the fucking horn out of your mouth".

Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 16:23 (eleven months ago) link

Was that for the Wes Anderson thread?

Looking For Mr. Goodreads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 16:25 (eleven months ago) link

what's wrong with aiming books at boys?

Alfred, please point out to me where I said there was anything wrong with aiming books at boys, because fuck me if I can see where that comment came from. What I thought I was saying was that I (as in me, this reader) couldn't find a toehold in the first several chapters capable of holding my interest, in part because I was far from the intended or ideal audience, which was children, mainly boys, entering their adolescence. We both know that any book can be a good book for the right audience.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 30 June 2023 03:56 (eleven months ago) link

Exploring the dark and twisted mind of Garth Marengi via his Terrortome; also started Joyce's Ulysses for some light relief.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 30 June 2023 09:24 (eleven months ago) link

xp accuracy of aim
power of throw
trying to quieten down the rest of the class in the aftermath
possibly parents suing?

Stevo, Friday, 30 June 2023 11:13 (eleven months ago) link

Alfred, please point out to me where I said there was anything wrong with aiming books at boys, because fuck me if I can see where that comment came from. What I thought I was saying was that I (as in me, this reader) couldn't find a toehold in the first several chapters capable of holding my interest, in part because I was far from the intended or ideal audience, which was children, mainly boys, entering their adolescence. We both know that any book can be a good book for the right audience.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless),

I wasn't attacking you. Thanks!

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 June 2023 12:20 (eleven months ago) link

Listening to the audioboook of Papillon. Even if it's largely fictionalized (or borrowed), it's immensely entertaining. Of course, I can't not think of Steve McQueen as the narrator.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 30 June 2023 13:42 (eleven months ago) link

The Managed Heart Arlie Russell Hochschild
The book that introduced the idea of emotional labour. The idea that if one is doing a public facing job as well as physical work one is working with management of emotions e.g. keeping a fixed smile directed outwards regardless of the way one is feeling inside.
She is looking at reasons why and how so the various schools of the humanities are coming to play philosophy, sociology, anthropology, history etc which all have heavy venn overlap anyway. I'm finding it a ery interesting read. I may have read it a couple of decades ago so glad to be rereading it. I think if I'm remembering when right it would have been the summer f 2003 when I was reading a massive stream of different books while I still had access to the University library. Anyway recommended read.

Robert Conquest The Dragons of Expectation
Found this while walking around the library and it looked interesting.
He is virulently anti communist, but I am finding it to be a somewhat interesting read. Has me wanting to read James Burnham for probably closely related reasons. It's not very long so I'm reading it pretty fast.

Martin Bulmer (ed) Racism
A great selection of short pieces on teh subject of Racism in various forms . Has selections from a load of writers I really want to read more by . & has a great bibliography of further work that I need to look further into.
I let this slip onto teh backburner when I should have been reading it faster. I've read a load of other stuff in the time I've had it out from the library.
BUt now I'm back on it I really want to get it read.
Or more ingest the contents in a meaningful way. Maybe get a copy for further revisiting.

finished Joe Nigg's Fabulous Creatures last week and thought it was a very interesting read I'm glad i have read since it coversa lot of historical descriptions of imaginary and semi imaginary animals that inhabited the unmapped regions of the world.
It has introduced me to a couple of animals I hadn't been aware of previously . hadn't realised a Yale was an animal before.
It has me wanting to look further into the lore about unicorns and dragons now since there is a wealth of stuff I'm not fully familiar with.
IT was also interesting to read about the adoption of more classical animals in the medieval era as symbolic of Christian teaching. Deeply syncretic.

Stevo, Monday, 3 July 2023 10:44 (eleven months ago) link

For the last week I've been reading Sean O'Casey's AUTOBIOGRAPHIES.

This work comprises 6 columes. From the library I have a book with the last 3. I've been reading that. I've read all of volume 4: INISHFALLEN, FARE THEE WELL, and a fair amounrt of volume 5: ROSE & CROWN.

The book can be repetitive and self-indulgent. It mostly flows along. You confront the many pages thinking this would take a long time to read: then start reading and soon you're 30 pages further on. Thus it's often marvellously readable.

The volume I've read is about Ireland 1922-1926. Now I'm on England, c.late 1920s.

On the whole my respect for O'Casey has grown greatly in recent times. You can point to flows: as a writer he wasn't the most precise or beautiful; he perhaps didn't leave a large number of major literary works; he was quick to anger and self-defence, and might hold a grudge. Worst, his politics made him naive about Stalinism - arguably for longer than he should have been. And yet he was so open-hearted, generous, honest. He had a commitment to socialism and emancipation from inequality and poverty that was deeper than most writers'. He was sceptical about religious authority and dogma, while maintaining a sense of the wonder of nature and the world. An essay I've just read on his letters concludes by citing a number of letters he wrote to obscure people who'd written to him, including for instance an American housewife who was dismayed by the state of her life and the world. He took the time to reply at length, offering comfort and fellowship to these unknown people he would never meet. Few major writers have acted quite this way. O'Casey reminds me a little of Alasdair Gray: the eccentric ingenuousness, the instinctive kindness, the disarming directness.

the pinefox, Monday, 3 July 2023 13:12 (eleven months ago) link

After finishing Human Voices I'm well into another Ross MacDonald novel, The Barbarous Coast.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 3 July 2023 15:52 (eleven months ago) link

Self Help by Lorrie Moore
The last book I read was an endless cast of characters and made me wonder how a reader or writer keeps track of them all without being able to search the text.

youn, Monday, 3 July 2023 15:58 (eleven months ago) link

Finished 'Gods Without Men' by Hari Kunzru, eh it was ok. An earlier work that's both longer and not as good as his more recent ones ('Red Pill' etc).

Also closing in on the end of 'His Master's Voice' by Stanislaw Lem, it's bone dry compared to his fun sci-fi stuff but there's always just enough of interest to keep me in. I appreciate the super realistic approach to a scientific project deciphering a potential extraterrestrial message (reminds me of the "competence porn" being discussed in one of the other tv or Star Trek threads).

Got some fun ones lined up, which I'll need for some medical treatment visits. New David Grann and Patrick DeWitt books, can't wait.

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Monday, 3 July 2023 16:14 (eleven months ago) link

Finally getting around to The Well of Loneliness, about a third of the way through. I like it more than I thought I was going to - I figured it would be an interesting artefact of the time but not necessarily a great book. But the prose is nicely melodic in places and I'm finding it fairly compelling. The interaction between sexuality and gender in historic lesbianism is fascinating, as well.

emil.y, Monday, 3 July 2023 16:28 (eleven months ago) link

Still reading the William James bio by Richardson, on chapter 80 of 90. Seems a pretty solid and well-researched book. Aims to be an "intellectual" bio, focusing a lot on intellectual influences on James, starting from his father, Henry Sr., an eccentric thinker and writer (nowadays perhaps would be called a crank) who was self-funded from his inheritance (his father was one of the richest men in the country at the time and though he tried to cut Henry Sr out of the will, Henry successfully challenged the will after his death) which enabled him to self-publish a voluminous output of religious-philosophical works, on the nature of evil and such, apparently influenced by writers such as Swedenborg, and take his large family (though not for the time) around Europe for a good chunk of their childhoods, often moving cities on a whim. The children's education was haphazard, but Henry Sr made a special effort with William, even to the point of sometimes changing cities because he'd heard of some school or instructor that he thought would benefit William's education. If nothing else, and despite the fact that William later expressed the view that he would have preferred staying put in America and having a more conventionally grounded childhood, William did become fluent in German and French, which served him well when, after a troubled young adulthood, he finally landed on the newly forming field of psychology and his life's work. There's plenty of interesting material in the book, although even despite its length, its treatment of certain lines of James's though can feel cursory.

o. nate, Monday, 3 July 2023 18:13 (eleven months ago) link

Impressive study from o.nate here. (I'm not certain but have an idea that he lighted on this book after I cited a very old LRB review of it -- this makes me glad to hear of his reading.)

the pinefox, Monday, 3 July 2023 18:16 (eleven months ago) link

Yes, that's correct! That's how I heard about it.

o. nate, Monday, 3 July 2023 18:19 (eleven months ago) link

The Portable Veblen by Elizabeth McKenzie

youn, Friday, 7 July 2023 13:48 (eleven months ago) link

I read an excellent recent bio of the James family a couple months ago.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:02 (eleven months ago) link

Got confused for a second and thought this was part of the Eagles/Steely Dan discussion.

The Lunatics (Have Taken Over the Elektra) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:12 (eleven months ago) link

I've started on Botchan, by Natsume Soseki, published in 1908. It's much loved in Japan and I can see why. The main character, who is also the narrator, is somewhat naive, but unusually straightforward and irreverant, never mincing his words. From what I've read about traditional Japanese culture, everyone was (and still is) expected to be self-effacing and deferential, at least as their public, socially-adjusted face, so, the idea of a naive truth-speaker is delightful.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 7 July 2023 16:31 (eleven months ago) link

I read *A Book of Silence* by Sara Maitland. Maitland is from a noisy, large family; she is Roman Catholic; she has a family of her own, and lived in a vicarage for many years in East London. Post-children, she finds her marriage breaking down and, over several years, decides to move gradually further and further into the wilderness, in search of silence. This book tracks those years: her research into the desert fathers and occluded female eremites; her experiences in an isolated cottage on Skye; and a retreat in the Sinai desert. Finally, we're with her as she moves into a remote area of western Scotland, looking across the yawning expanse of heather to the hills beyond. I've read some other interviews with her and she's still there and is now basically described as a hermit.

I did enjoy the book, though it never quite catches fire. It's got rather too much on its mind and some of the explicatory sections - about psychoanalysis, astronomy - are a bit thin. The autobiographical sections were the richest and I admire her drive and fortitude.

(picnic, lightning) very very frightening (Chinaski), Friday, 7 July 2023 18:32 (eleven months ago) link

william empson - seven types of ambiguity

minimum 1 laugh to be had on every single page of this wonderful book

flopson, Friday, 7 July 2023 19:39 (eleven months ago) link

Suddenly bothered by the question of whether Nick Carraway gets too much in the way, I re-read The Great Gatsby and ended up believing that he seals the deal, inextricably part of the total effect: insecure yet avidly curious and observant, even while being dismayed, put off by juicy Big Apple's downside ov hordes swarming Gatsby's wide-open fanstasy castle (becoming unadjusted as he sees them again through Daisy's eyes, they are more than ever "Broadway, from nothing to nothing"( provincially supercilious, from an insular, proper family (Daisy of Louisville's second cousin once removed!), revolted and picking up on waves and trickles of gossip, popular delusions and the madness of crowds, rubberneck gawker taste for fuckery----also initially cautious as hell, monitoring Gatsby---he comes all wrapped up and almost unraveled in spectacle, in the events and his fever dream of Gatsby's dream, of his life and death and still can't shake it, becomes a ghost of all that, at least in his reverie---somewhat like Proust's narrator's vision and narrative of Swann In Love, this is also something of a novel-within-a-novel, that can be read and read around the edges of, as Nick reads the room and writes it, replays it who knows how many times in his head, seeking perfection, out of his depth like everybody else in there, like everybody, he thinks, and says

'compelled into an aesthetic contemplation he neither understood nor desired'
omg---also, part of the alarm is how funny it can be, getting wild and wilder while pulling in elements of pop culture---

dow, Friday, 7 July 2023 19:40 (eleven months ago) link

A few short books to start the summer:

Marie Darrieussecq - Pig Tales
Jean Paul - Prefaces
Halldor Laxness - The Atom Station
Gerald Murnane - Last Letter to a Reader

Loved the Murnane - its a great idea (writer reflects back on each of his books -- including the one you are reading -- as a 'final' work). Its full of ego, in that he is very precious about what he does, but I can't help but really enjoy what he does so its not that off-putting. They are different from Prefaces, such as the ones collated in the Jean Paul book (which have some very good writing (if you like the Baroque) in it but as I haven't read any of the works its all a partial view) (Sublunary Editions are an interesting publisher and I might do a thread on them).

xyzzzz__, Friday, 7 July 2023 23:13 (eleven months ago) link

also reading short books:

what tech calls thinking by adrian daub. pretty accessible (normie?) theory/literary/historical perspective on silicon valley.

annihilation by jeff vandermeer. reread. not as good as i remember it.

no country for old men. interesting to see what got cut for the movie, but otherwise minor mccarthy.

three o'clock in the morning by Gianrico Carofiglio. if you like before sunrise you might like this.

foster by claire keegan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foster_(short_story), https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/02/15/foster. short and very plain, so you can see why it's apparently taught in schools. but very good. even better than small things like these (which was good).

and then i read "it" by stephen king which was ridiculous and not a good use of time in hindsight.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 7 July 2023 23:41 (eleven months ago) link

"It was an immediate fail for me. Too directly aimed at kids (mainly boys) of roughly 11 to 15. And the writing style was a romanticized to within an inch of its life."

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, June 26, 2023

I'm an audiobooks person and started listening to Something Wicked This Way Comes, but I diverted to a John Le Carré novel because the beginning of Wicked just seemed just too delicious not to read in October

Dan S, Sunday, 9 July 2023 01:45 (eleven months ago) link

The Libertine Louis Aragon
Surrealist vignettes that frequently touch on misogyny though possibly misanthropy.
I've had this out of a library I visited in a nearby town a few months ago and have had on the backburner. Just on final unread piece.
Some of it is quite interesting.
But consciously experimental stuff is not going to be totally easy reading.
I'm now conscious that this is a translation too.
Have hit some bits where I was wondering if a cut up technique had been used. Though it also did seem to be semi coherent about as much as the rest of the text.

Withdraw Anne Llewellyn Barstow
A book on the witch trials and mistreatment of women in a wider historical context. I think it was in the bibliography of Caliban and the Witch.
Looks Good, mid 90s feminist fare.

400 Years of Fashion Nathalie Rothstein
Text tied in to a V&A museum exhibition .
Tracing history of Fashion for a few centuries and describing how garments wound up in the museum and what state they were in when they did. Also what the cleaning and repair process revealed about the garments and fabric they were made from.

Racism (ed) Martin Bulmer
Great selection of essays and extracts from a bunch of writers I want to read further.

Stevo, Sunday, 9 July 2023 05:57 (eleven months ago) link

I finished and loved Lorrie Moore's I AM HOMELESS IF THIS IS NOT MY HOME. A kind of zombie screwball collaboration between Emily Dickinson, Dorothy Parker, Stevie Smith and Edward Grey. I think of it a secret sequel to 'What You Want To Do Fine' from BIRDS... - her best story I think, and itself a riff on the roadtrip from LOLITA.

Picked up Meghan O'Gieblyn's GOD, HUMAN, ANIMAL, MACHINE - an essay about AI from a lapsed Calvinist, taking in Aibos and Hannah Arendt, which I found quite refreshing.

Have been rereading Kay Ryan's selected poems - love them more every time I read them.

Piedie Gimbel, Sunday, 9 July 2023 12:59 (eleven months ago) link

Should be Edward Gorey not Grey :/

Piedie Gimbel, Sunday, 9 July 2023 12:59 (eleven months ago) link

I hope "AI" is another typo there---

dow, Sunday, 9 July 2023 17:44 (eleven months ago) link

I finished volume 5 of O'Casey's AUTOBIOGRAPHIES: ROSE & CROWN. Most of it takes place in England; the latter part in the US. It features dialogues with Stanley Baldwin and with ageing W.B. Yeats who asks O'Casey what Communism is and what is its spiritual value.

I am now reading more strategically chapters of volume 6, SUNSET & EVENING STAR. Highlights so far: a typical score-settling attack on a newspaper profile from 15 years before the book was published (O'Casey sure held grudges and took revenge cold), and a lengthy description of the University of Cambridge where he tells a Don that Dons mean nothing to most people and they don't deserve to have Parliamentary representation.

I continue to enjoy O'Casey's anti-clericalism and constant attacks on religious customs that he thinks are dead relics. He seems somewhat like one who believes in a god but not in religion, which may be a paradox.

the pinefox, Monday, 10 July 2023 09:20 (eleven months ago) link

I've heard that The Crook Manifesto is better than Harlem Shuffle, maybe more of a genre/lit (or at least character study) balance, like his zombie-hunting Zone One(clean-up of v.valuable Manhattan real estate, cause you know the plague is over). I really enjoyed that one.

dow, Saturday, 23 September 2023 01:21 (nine months ago) link

still, the preview of Harlem Shuffle seemed promising: POV of a fence, usually a flat weasel in crime stories, here a scuffling small store owner lured into the shade.

dow, Saturday, 23 September 2023 01:25 (nine months ago) link

How did you find Smiley’s People? Got it on the shelf, tempted if put off by the size. Certainly it opens well.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 23 September 2023 08:29 (nine months ago) link

It's time again to wind down this summertime thread and move into our shiny new digs at I'm in Love With Books and I Feel Fine! What Are You Reading in Autumn 2023?. See y'all there!

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 23 September 2023 16:12 (nine months ago) link

xp I really liked Smiley's People, it seemed more coherent to me than The Honorable Schoolboy and less difficult to follow than Tinker, Tailor, Soldier Spy (the two previous books), and brought the original series to a nice conclusion

Dan S, Saturday, 23 September 2023 23:35 (nine months ago) link


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