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Kind of regret getting this edition because it was cheaper, so I have Asimov staring out from the cover

https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/1/1a/MLO1904.jpg

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 18:26 (one year ago) link

While convalescing, I semi-randomly grabbed 'The Best Science Fiction & Fantasy: Volume 7' (2012) from the library, and I'm going to pinefox it. Halfway through so far:

Christopher Rowe, 'The Contrary Gardener' - it's ok, not exactly a banger for an opener. Kinda interesting concept about growing tools and ammunition as agriculture and being enlisted to use them against municipal robots that are becoming self-aware, but it's a bit muddled.

Eleanor Arnason, 'The Woman Who Fooled Death Five Times' - Fantastic traditional folk tale, I'm a total sucker for this mode (especially if it involves Death). Apparently it's a folk tale by aliens? Might have to check out her books.

Andy Duncan, 'Close Encounters' - I bailed. I'm feeling kind of allergic to hardscrabble rural Southern settings right now, it felt forced and I skipped it. Spoiler, there are aliens.

Peter S. Beagle, 'Great-Grandmother in the Cellar' - Loved it. It's a magical setting but very much reads like a folk tale. Dude wrote The Last Unicorn!

Nalo Hopkinson, 'The Easthound' - Post-apocalyptic story about some plague/virus that turns people into rabid zombie beasts once they hit puberty. So gangs of kids are surviving and scavenging but have to kick members out once they start to get too old. Good stuff.

Caitlin Kiernan, 'GOGGLES' - Post-apocalyptic story also about kids, living together in a bunker with a strict headmistress and sent out to scavenge among packs of wild superdogs. Not as good as the previous story, weird that these were set next to each other.

Gwyneth Jones, 'Bricks, Sticks, Straw' - Fussy and elaborate sci-fi story about A.I. software clones of people who are out on the moons of Jupiter doing research or something. Couldn't get into it, I bailed.

Molly Gloss, 'The Grinnell Method' - Long and incredibly boring, I bailed after a number of pages about bird-watching and landscape descriptions in the 1930s.

Theodora Goss, 'Beautiful Boys' - Pretty good one, basically positing hot mimbos as aliens programmed to deposit their semen and then split.

Ellen Klages, 'The Education of a Witch' - Very good, about a little girl who's obsessed with the witch in Sleeping Beauty (original Disney version) and is discouraged by the adults around her, and you can imagine where it goes.

Paul McAuley, 'Macy Minnot's Last Christmas on Dione, Ring Racing, Fiddler's Green, The Potter's Garden' - Couldn't get into the writing, I bailed.

Adam Roberts, 'What Did Tessimond Tell You?' - A perfect short story, by FAR the gem in this collection so far. It's sort of a theoretical physics mystery/thriller about a team who's about to win the Nobel prize, but whose members keep dropping out after talking to a particular individual. I don't want to say more but it's worth seeking out, and also has a perfect ending. Will have to check out his other work.

Neil Gaiman, 'Adventure Story' - a very short and nothing-y story, included only to put his name on the cover I'm sure.

Robert Reed, 'Katabasis' - The longest story here so far and very odd, and I ended up being really into it. It's essentially about hardcore high-gravity hiking, done by humans who are immortal, bored, and bioengineered to have instant healing (and are constantly falling down and breaking bones, which is only a minor inconvenience). And their alien porters. Surreal but cool.

Peter Dickinson - Troll Blood - Norwegian meta-folk tale, I liked it.

(to be continued when I finish the second half of the collection)

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:12 (one year ago) link

https://imgur.com/a/jxkbGx6

Pinefox's post got me to dig out the Cordwainer Smith volumes I inherited from Martin Skidmore - complete with a review slip, always like to see those. 'Scanners are in vain' is in The Rediscovery of Man volume. Neither collection has 'On the storm planet', my favourite Smith story - as genuinely strange as the best of PKD. In his introduction to The Instrumentality of Mankind, Frederik Pohl writes that: "Every important work of fiction is written partly in code" and that's a point I wanted to make about Smith's writing - it's extremely coded/symbolic, as befits an expert on psychological warfare (as the 'real' Smith apparently was).

I also love the fact that John Slack's Smith parody (found in his The Steam-Driven Boy collection) is called 'One Damned Thing After Another' - so accurate!

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:14 (one year ago) link

Apologies, I'm experimenting with imgur, let's see if this one works:

https://imgur.com/perWNuz

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:17 (one year ago) link

Bollocks.

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:17 (one year ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/perWNuz.jpg

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:18 (one year ago) link

Ha, I just reread Sladek’s Asimov parody the other day.

Blecch on Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:23 (one year ago) link

Congrats on not having Sladek fucking autocorrected to Slack, also.

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:25 (one year ago) link

“Broot Force,” by ICLICK AS-I-MOVE

Blecch on Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:27 (one year ago) link

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'Broot Force'? Killer opening line - "Suddenly Idjit Carlson felt chagrin."

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:27 (one year ago) link

It had been building up all day, and now it fell on him like a ton of assorted meteorites.

Blecch on Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:30 (one year ago) link

Is Sladek the same person who wrote 'Solar Shoe Salesman'? (Which I have only heard of, not read.)

the pinefox, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:31 (one year ago) link

re INSTRUMENTALITY, I am currently unsure whether those '14 stories' are all connected, as several of them are presented as 'Others' - outside the mythos / future history etc, perhaps.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:32 (one year ago) link

Yes

Blecch on Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:32 (one year ago) link

Think the parodies originally appeared in F&SF and now can be found in The Steam-Driven Boy.

Blecch on Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:33 (one year ago) link

It seems to me that there is potentially a lot to be dug up or deciphered about the relation between Smith's writing and his real-world concerns. Pohl states that an archive MS exists that explains references directly. As I mentioned earlier, it's curious in a way that when he posits a far future he then populates it with ... people from Nazi Germany, and their descendants.

Another aspect of his fiction that I don't yet understand is the racial / species hierarchies, which definitely involve some kind of talking animals. This reminds me of Empson's comments on talking animals in ALICE, and of DR MOREAU, and of Lethem's GUN with its evolved animals.

Unclear as yet to me how this all fits together, if at all.

Thrilled to see poster Jordan invoke the name of the pinefox to describe their excellent account of a volume of stories.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:37 (one year ago) link

From his asterisked names, it appears that Sladek had Beerbohm in mind as precursor.

Good parody is a tremendous form.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:41 (one year ago) link

Hopefully you will come to appreciate Cordwainer Smith, one of the great originals of SF, despite superficial galactic-spread similarities with Isaac Asimov and obvious Wellsian borrowings.

Blecch on Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:45 (one year ago) link

I like Asimov - especially the robots.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:48 (one year ago) link

Pleasingly, my copy of The Stream-Driven Boy sits right next to my copy of ... Norstrilia by Cordwainer Smith:

https://i.imgur.com/z27MByR.jpg

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:52 (one year ago) link

Still need to read Norstrilia.

Feel like I now want to call you P’fox as if you were a Cordwainer Smith character yourself.
(xp obv)

Blecch on Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:53 (one year ago) link

Did you curate that photo to impress people?

Blecch on Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:54 (one year ago) link

Interesting notes Jordan.

It's nice that the comprehensive collection of Cordwainer has been through a lot of printings. Makes his work much easier to collect.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:56 (one year ago) link

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No I just have a lot of SF paperbacks!

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 19:56 (one year ago) link

I have (though not read nearly all of)

The Rediscovery of Man: The Complete Short Fiction of Cordwainer Smith (Framingham, Massachusetts: The NESFA Press, 1993)
Note publisher, because main title has been used for at least one other collection. Also Nostrilia, his only novel as Cordwainer.

I also haven't read my Kindle ebook of Atomsk, as by Carmichael Smith, an early Cold War thriller set in a Siberian "science city," which he probably knew a lot about, being US military intelligence agent/civilian researcher Paul M.A. Linebarger, who, as Ward mentions upthread, literally wrote the book:

Psychological Warfare was first published in 1948, and it became the authoritative text on the subject for decades. Even today, it explains the basic principles of propaganda and psychological warfare (both white and black), from organization and planning to analysis and response. Examples are drawn from military history, with an emphasis on tactics by both the Allies and Axis during World War II. This is a fascinating subject, with greater relevance to everyday business and politics than may be immediately recognized.

This is a good intro to the life and especially the science fiction work (with "Scanners..." cited as his first published and one of his best SF stories, also well-described):
https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/smith_cordwainer

Lotz of other good Cordwainer posts on ILX over the light years.

dow, Thursday, 17 August 2023 00:17 (one year ago) link

There was also this weird thing about him - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordwainer_Smith#Case_history_debate

Linebarger is long rumored to have been "Kirk Allen", the fantasy-haunted subject of "The Jet-Propelled Couch," a chapter in psychologist Robert M. Lindner's best-selling 1954 collection The Fifty-Minute Hour.[2][9] According to Cordwainer Smith scholar Alan C. Elms,[10] this speculation first reached print in Brian Aldiss's 1973 history of science fiction, Billion Year Spree; Aldiss, in turn, claimed to have received the information from science fiction fan and scholar Leon Stover.[11] More recently, both Elms and librarian Lee Weinstein[12] have gathered circumstantial evidence to support the case for Linebarger's being Allen, but both concede there is no direct proof that Linebarger was ever a patient of Lindner's or that he suffered from a disorder similar to that of Kirk Allen.[13]

Logacta championship 1978 (North London heats) (Matt #2), Thursday, 17 August 2023 03:26 (one year ago) link

Time to repost the cover to my edition of Norstrilia, SF book design doesn't get much worse than this

https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/4/41/BKTG16711.jpg

Logacta championship 1978 (North London heats) (Matt #2), Thursday, 17 August 2023 03:29 (one year ago) link

Lol.

Blecch on Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 August 2023 11:08 (one year ago) link

The cover of the ebook I have is kind of simplistic but definitely an improvment:
https://cdn.kobo.com/book-images/9a8c4336-4865-4a9f-99b2-a87b51c7f2a6/1200/1200/False/norstrilia-4.jpg

Blecch on Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 August 2023 11:25 (one year ago) link

Hmm. It's kind of growing on me, just like Stroon is growing all over that sheep.

His daughter's webpage about him still works: http://www.cordwainer-smith.com/

Blecch on Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 August 2023 11:31 (one year ago) link

I agree with her that Dad seems at least a plausible basis for Kirk Allen in "The Jet Propelled Couch," which you can read prob in under an hour, so no re-check from the Internet Archive required, unless you then wish to grok The 50-Minute Hour as a white collar early 50s pulpadelic whole:
https://archive.org/details/fiftyminutehourclind

dow, Friday, 18 August 2023 02:05 (one year ago) link

I saw the Playhouse 90 teleplay of "TJPC" on early YouTube, but have never found it since:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jet_Propelled_Couch_(Playhouse_90)

Also: http://www.sondheim.com/shows/the_jet_propelled_couch/

dow, Friday, 18 August 2023 02:13 (one year ago) link

started reading ben aaronovitch's 'rivers of london' series

they're essentially police procedurals but with magic occasionally involved

can't vouch for the whole thing but the first few, featuring in first person detective constable peter grant, the mixed-race only child of jazz legend 'lord' grant, are clever and well-written and fun

if you know london (i do not) they may be extra interesting

(tbf i have *been* to london and am a bit surprised that our protagonists can find parking places as easily as they seem to)

mookieproof, Friday, 18 August 2023 05:46 (one year ago) link

I was never a car owner in london but afaik there's nothing quite as insane as the new york street sweeper parking shuffle that i learned about the other day from 'how to with john wilson'.

Adam Roberts, 'What Did Tessimond Tell You?' - A perfect short story, by FAR the gem in this collection so far. It's sort of a theoretical physics mystery/thriller about a team who's about to win the Nobel prize, but whose members keep dropping out after talking to a particular individual. I don't want to say more but it's worth seeking out, and also has a perfect ending. Will have to check out his other work.

I found this in a cheap ebook collection - solaris rising 1.5 - and yep really good. The P-O-R joke was a bit overdone but a fantastic central idea. I'll read the rest of the stories in the collection after I've got through Ian R. Macleod's Song of Time.

crutch of england (ledge), Friday, 18 August 2023 07:38 (one year ago) link

Was that collection Solaris Rising 1.5?

Blecch on Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 August 2023 16:58 (one year ago) link

Oh, sorry, you already said that.

Blecch on Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 August 2023 16:59 (one year ago) link

Okay, just jumped on the bandwagon and read it in Solaris Rising 1.5, where it originally appeared. It's in an Adam Roberts collection called Saint Rebor as well. Tessimond was also the last name of a poet named Arthur Saint John Tessimond.

Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 19 August 2023 14:51 (one year ago) link

Hope I didn't hype up that story too much, but in comparison to the others in the collection I'm reading it was a standout.

I grabbed a few of his novels & short story collections since the ebooks are pretty cheap, they sound interesting, especially 'The Thing Itself' (!).

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Saturday, 19 August 2023 15:53 (one year ago) link

No, you didn’t overhype. Reminded me of at least one Ted Chiang story tbh. I have The Thing Itself but haven’t read yet.

Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 19 August 2023 16:27 (one year ago) link

I've read it twice because I forgot I read it once, as detailed upthread. Would read more by him.

crutch of england (ledge), Saturday, 19 August 2023 16:40 (one year ago) link

I liked whatever History of SF stuff I've read by him.

Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 19 August 2023 16:47 (one year ago) link

I've reached the point in The Song of Time where the incredibly talented violinist is having her first major concert accompanied by her even more talented pianist lover:

As the swirling dance of the third movement commenced, I sensed the whole audience give a startled jump. I wanted to show them. I wanted them to laugh and weep. I wanted them to know. We all did - the whole orchestra. The strings were percussively sharp. I took the melody. I twisted it around, threw it back at them. Then we were together, and I didn't want this to stop. Not ever. The basses growled as I floated by them. Then the threads were gathered as I made staccato interventions and the great musical beast against which I'd been pitting myself, which was by now something more than merely an orchestra or even Claude Vaudin, roared, then collapsed and died, impaled on my last high C.

Do people really enjoy reading stuff like that? It won an award! I might have to give up even though I'm half way through.

crutch of england (ledge), Sunday, 20 August 2023 13:27 (one year ago) link

Most people seem to have pretty low standards of what they will read, apart from the people on this thread, apart from the people on this borad. There are others too of course, but in general…

Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 August 2023 13:36 (one year ago) link

a not particularly complimentary review by adam roberts! http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/reviews/song-of-time-by-ian-r-macleod/ - it does use the 'd about a' phrase which hoary though it is obviously crossed my mind but i thought 'puking about tiddlywinks' might be more fitting.

crutch of england (ledge), Sunday, 20 August 2023 13:50 (one year ago) link

Lol, that would make me bail.

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Sunday, 20 August 2023 13:56 (one year ago) link

Ha, that review is great. Feel like I want to cut and paste the whole part about music in particular.

Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 August 2023 14:48 (one year ago) link

found this browsing other reviews on the site, shame it's not really my cup of tea:

https://i0.wp.com/strangehorizons.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/516hE3UMQeL._SY346_.jpg

crutch of england (ledge), Sunday, 20 August 2023 15:31 (one year ago) link

Lol

Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 August 2023 15:34 (one year ago) link

Yeah I gave up on Song of Time, moved on to Yesterday's Kin by Nancy Kress. That's more like it, under 200 pages (though I've just learned it was later expanded and then had two sequels) with mysterious (but apparently friendly) aliens.

crutch of england (ledge), Monday, 21 August 2023 08:23 (one year ago) link

Posted this on Spielberg thread but think it belongs here too: http://www.ianwatson.info/plumbing-stanley-kubrick/

Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 15:46 (one year ago) link


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