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I liked whatever History of SF stuff I've read by him.

Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 19 August 2023 16:47 (one year ago) link

I've reached the point in The Song of Time where the incredibly talented violinist is having her first major concert accompanied by her even more talented pianist lover:

As the swirling dance of the third movement commenced, I sensed the whole audience give a startled jump. I wanted to show them. I wanted them to laugh and weep. I wanted them to know. We all did - the whole orchestra. The strings were percussively sharp. I took the melody. I twisted it around, threw it back at them. Then we were together, and I didn't want this to stop. Not ever. The basses growled as I floated by them. Then the threads were gathered as I made staccato interventions and the great musical beast against which I'd been pitting myself, which was by now something more than merely an orchestra or even Claude Vaudin, roared, then collapsed and died, impaled on my last high C.

Do people really enjoy reading stuff like that? It won an award! I might have to give up even though I'm half way through.

crutch of england (ledge), Sunday, 20 August 2023 13:27 (one year ago) link

Most people seem to have pretty low standards of what they will read, apart from the people on this thread, apart from the people on this borad. There are others too of course, but in general…

Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 August 2023 13:36 (one year ago) link

a not particularly complimentary review by adam roberts! http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/reviews/song-of-time-by-ian-r-macleod/ - it does use the 'd about a' phrase which hoary though it is obviously crossed my mind but i thought 'puking about tiddlywinks' might be more fitting.

crutch of england (ledge), Sunday, 20 August 2023 13:50 (one year ago) link

Lol, that would make me bail.

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Sunday, 20 August 2023 13:56 (one year ago) link

Ha, that review is great. Feel like I want to cut and paste the whole part about music in particular.

Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 August 2023 14:48 (one year ago) link

found this browsing other reviews on the site, shame it's not really my cup of tea:

https://i0.wp.com/strangehorizons.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/516hE3UMQeL._SY346_.jpg

crutch of england (ledge), Sunday, 20 August 2023 15:31 (one year ago) link

Lol

Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 August 2023 15:34 (one year ago) link

Yeah I gave up on Song of Time, moved on to Yesterday's Kin by Nancy Kress. That's more like it, under 200 pages (though I've just learned it was later expanded and then had two sequels) with mysterious (but apparently friendly) aliens.

crutch of england (ledge), Monday, 21 August 2023 08:23 (one year ago) link

Posted this on Spielberg thread but think it belongs here too: http://www.ianwatson.info/plumbing-stanley-kubrick/

Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 15:46 (one year ago) link

aldiss's "banal crap" = destroying the blue fairy, which he hated, in a nuclear explosion.

crutch of england (ledge), Monday, 21 August 2023 16:27 (one year ago) link

xpost great read, thx

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Monday, 21 August 2023 16:41 (one year ago) link

They pay banal money for this crap?

Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 16:44 (one year ago) link

Didn't know about the Aldiss/Watson beef. 'Ansible Dave' made me smile.

Ward Fowler, Monday, 21 August 2023 17:00 (one year ago) link

Ha, me too!

Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 17:01 (one year ago) link

I scored big points once with somebody by pointing out his Mekons connection.

Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 17:02 (one year ago) link

“Really?” retorted Stanley. “Do you trust this Ansible Dave? Sounds like a cowboy’s name.”

Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 17:07 (one year ago) link

Also smiled at his use of "palely loitering."

Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 17:50 (one year ago) link

HI DERE!

Ansible Dave’s Killer Breadboard (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2023 17:53 (one year ago) link

I think most British SF writers of that era had a falling out at some point, even in interviews from only months ago they talk about not speaking to each other a long time.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 August 2023 23:03 (one year ago) link

Maybe. Sort of makes sense, but I don’t think they all did to that degree. In this case it seems like some kind of narcissism of small differences.

Ansible Dave’s Killer Breadboard (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 00:00 (one year ago) link

In other news, I just came across some very interesting Adam Roberts posts on Medium about Our Mutual Friend since it seems he is writing a book on Dickens.#onethread

Ansible Dave’s Killer Breadboard (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 00:02 (one year ago) link

Thanks for the Kubrick! I def need to read more Watson---omnibus The Books of the Black Current was ooo-OOOOmg

dow, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 04:09 (one year ago) link

I've just started his Very Slow Time Machine collection. (Finished Yesterday's Kin, a pretty decent page turner, no more, no less.)

crutch of england (ledge), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 07:43 (one year ago) link

I conclude Cordwainer Smith's THE INSTRUMENTALITY OF MANKIND.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 12:53 (one year ago) link

You conclude?

Ansible Dave’s Killer Breadboard (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 13:17 (one year ago) link

And you just drunkboat in here to tell us that without any further explanation?

Ansible Dave’s Killer Breadboard (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 13:20 (one year ago) link

Simmer down now James! jeez

dow, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 02:42 (one year ago) link

I wish to report back on this book but have not yet had time.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 09:19 (one year ago) link

No worries. I kid, I kid the P’fox.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 23 August 2023 09:35 (one year ago) link

My man is not a beast!

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 23 August 2023 11:51 (one year ago) link

I just bought a Cordwainer Smith book (Quest of the Three Worlds) for £2 from a charity shop, and it's all this threads fault

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Wednesday, 23 August 2023 11:58 (one year ago) link

thanks to this thread i read 'scanners live in vain' and 'what did tessimond tell you?'

mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 22:59 (one year ago) link

j/k

the former was fine but i think you had to be there at the time? his are among the shoulders people are standing on

the latter was good but i found some of the ways in which he padded it out (which, tbf, was absolutely necessary) kind of annoying

mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 23:11 (one year ago) link

He could be kind of annoying, eager-beaver, even in some of the stories that turned out well, and I was especially put off by the cat story incl. in wildly erratic THE BIG BOOK OF SCIENCE FICTION.

dow, Thursday, 24 August 2023 02:30 (one year ago) link

“The Game of Rat and Dragon”? Love that one.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 August 2023 02:38 (one year ago) link

Definitely one of my favorite first sentences ever: “Pinlighting is a hell of a way to earn a living.”

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 August 2023 02:46 (one year ago) link

I just like how he dreamed up all these weird malaises associated with space travel and then equally weird solutions to dealing with them: the habermans and the Scanners and the oysters to deal with The Great Pain of Space in the up-and-out in “Scanners,” the telepathic cats in their tiny little armed football-sized spaceships communicating or communing with the pinlighters to fight the Rats/Dragons in “Game.”

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 August 2023 02:56 (one year ago) link

Very interested to see what the P'fox has to say even if he ends up joining Camp Shakey as a hater which I am starting to resign myself to.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 August 2023 22:55 (one year ago) link

George Berguno - The Tainted Earth

It seems like a third of this collection is stories within stories and it's impressively executed. A few dark fantasies based on Scandinavian and Scottish legends. Bruno Schulz, Ernst Junger and Julien Gracq feature as characters. We see a bit of World War 2. Maybe the whole collection could be considered somewhere in the weird fiction area. Reception for this collection has been small but very warm and I feel like a meanie for giving this just 3 stars but despite all the skill on display I just didn't feel that strongly about it. I'll certainly be interested to see what his other stories do, as I have The Sad Eyes Of Lewis Chessmen and a few of his anthology appearances.
The Tainted Earth is one of the prettiest designed books I own.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 27 August 2023 16:04 (one year ago) link

Ian Watson, the very slow time machine. As even the title story shows he is more about *vibes*, and maybe psychology / sociology, than hard sf. Which is fine in principle but nothing here really worked for me. One or two of them resembled Ballard at his most obscure. The story where interstellar communication is facilitated with tantric sex would have been the last straw if it wasn't already the last in the book. And ngram viewer suggests his use of "negress" was very much behind the curve even by 1976.

crutch of england (ledge), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 06:20 (one year ago) link

Just got Probability Moon by Nancy Kress out of the library, been looking for it for a while, before I found Yesterday's Kin in a charity shop.

crutch of england (ledge), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 15:15 (one year ago) link

Oh and I'm also e-reading Lem's Memoirs of a Space Traveller on e-loan from the e-library.

crutch of england (ledge), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 15:28 (one year ago) link

Watson's The Embedding has been favorably mentioned on at least one previous Rolling Spec, but the only one I've read is xxxxpost omnibus The Books of the Black Current, which certainly took me some places I got used to for a while, up and down and around, certainly sidewise too: as Willie Nelson sums up, "It was fun---in a strange, kinda way."

dow, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 17:21 (one year ago) link

James Morrison was a big fan of that one iirc

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 17:25 (one year ago) link

Lem's Memoirs of a Space Traveller was brilliant, somewhere between the hard (ish) sciencey speculation of the Adam Roberts story discussed upthread and the more whimsical approach in Lem's Cyberiad. One story in particular, about someone who invents an immortal soul, was genuinely horrifying. I've read four books by Lem and they've all been excellent, I need to read more.

crutch of england (ledge), Thursday, 31 August 2023 09:36 (one year ago) link

I recently finished Cordwainer Smith's THE INSTRUMENTALITY OF MANKIND (1979), the first book by him I had read.

Frederik Pohl's introduction is characteristically clear, humane, interesting. Pohl was very good at this form: talking about SF and narrating its history and personnel.

The book contains a timeline indicating Smith's projected future, to 16000 AD. Nine of the stories in the book are from this future plan. Five more are apparently not but are rather free-standing.

From the first set:

'No, No, Not Rogov!' depicts Soviet scientists setting up telepathic science in the Cold War era. It's rather unusual in being set near the present and featuring actual people like Stalin. It may be politically significant in suggesting that much of the high tech of Smith's future, especially involving telepathy or psychic powers, derive from the Cold War and specifically from the Soviet side. Smith was a deeply political person so this must have meant something to him.

'War No. 81-Q' is a very short piece first published in 1928 (!!). It depicts a future war between the US and Mongolia. The war is fought in proxy fashion, at a distance, with pilots controlling craft remotely, under conditions set by the 'Universal War Board'. This story seems very perceptive for 1928, in seriously imagining a different way that war could be conducted in the future.

'Mark Elf' (1957) takes us to a further future Earth in which telepathy is prevalent. A young woman, Carlotta, lands in a spacecraft that had been fired out in the Nazi period as WWII was ending; she has been cryogenically preserved. Oddly then the story is rooted in real 1940s history, yet also an alternate history, as the Nazis did no such thing. The world in which this girl lands is odd, hard to fathom. It features talking animals (a bit like those of Wells' DR MOREAU or Lethem's GUN).

'The Queen of the Afternoon' (1978) is a direct sequel to this story, featuring another German girl, Juli, who does just the same the first one. She lands amid talking dogs who can read her thoughts, in a world full of strange things like 'Fighting Trees'. It's not very easy for the reader to orient amid all this. Eventually the girl is taken on as a replacement wife by the ageless husband of Carlotta. At the end a third German girl, Karla, is landing. It is bizarre how Smith has constructed a whole sequence of future events around cryogenically preserved survivors from Nazi Germany landing. His world here combines something dangerously close to home - Nazism, WWII - with a future that is very strange and hard to understand.

At this point I am rather struggling with Smith, not finding much reward for the effort he takes.

In 'When The People Fell' (1959) a journalist is interviewing a space pilot about his past, and the pilot recollects an event on Venus. He describes its colonisation, I think, by a body called 'the Goonhogo', a not very memorable or suggestive name for a future political entity which seems to correspond to China: 'a sort of separate Chineseian government. Seventeen billion of them all crowded in one small part of Earth' (73). This Goonhgo invades Venus by landing 82 million people who work to smother the local fauna called 'loudies'. Many sacrifice themselves. The story thus presents an image of a state (like China) using its population as dispensable raw material to gain land.

'Think Blue, Count Two' (1962) describes a long-distance space voyage where people are frozen and asleep for the duration. But they can wake up, and technological contingencies are prepared to stop them doing bad things if this happens. The technology is obscure and hard to understand. Here it involves something about a mouse brain that is encoded with positive messages that will affect any assailants of a girl. Writing that, no, I don't understand it. The girl does indeed get awoken on the voyage, along with two males, one of whom prepares to torture and kill his companions, until she activates the mouse brain defence. This produces apparitions who are not real but who, because they are wired to the people's psyches, can affect them and damage them. This intervention enables them to reach their destination successfully. One feature of the story is that the bad passenger is partly motivated by misogyny, a desire for revenge against women who he thinks manipulate males. This is unpleasant, but he later disavows it.

'The Colonel Came Back from the Nothing-at-All' was I think previously unpublished. It somewhat resembles another story, 'Drunkboat'. It describes the return of a character, one Colonel Harkening, from a new form of space travel which 'sought to compress living, material bodies into a two-dimensional frame while skipping the living body and its material adjuncts through two dimensions only to some inconceivably remote point in space' (120). Smith is interested in such things: imagined science that allows movement through space to be faster and more efficient, via other dimensions, yet which then takes a physical toll on humans. He describes the after-effects quite a lot. (A slight parallel with the 'jumping' of Bester's THE STARS MY DESTINATION.) The Colonel is brought back to life by a 'secondary telepath', a young woman who talks in archaic fashion: 'I am thy sister under the love of God' (125). The other scientists also have to join in a technical experiment using helmets to get into the Colonel's mind. 'We felt that we had been made the toys or the pets of some gigantic form of life immensely beyond the limits of human imagiantion, and that that life in looking at the four of us [...] had seen us and the colonel and had realized that the colonel needed to go back to his own kind' (128). It works. So here Smith comes close to religion.

'From Gustible's Planet' (1962) describes the arrival on Earth, shortly after 'the four thousandth anniversary of the opening of space', of an alien race, the Apicians, who look like ducks. They have the ability to freeze people through telepathy. They love food above all, and spend their time on Earth eating it. Eventually human beings start cooking and eating the Apicians. Conveniently their ability to freeze people is cancelled when people are 'animated by a mad hunger' (135). The story is basically zanily comic. I'm not sure it can be called satire as it may not have a target.

'Drunkboat' (1963) reprises the scenario mentioned above: an individual has returned from what I think is called 'planoform' through distant space. He is in hospital and the scientists seek to revive him. This time the story has more complications. One is that the man is called Artyr Rambo, so the whole story is somehow an elaborate reference to Rimbaud and 'The Drunken Boat'. This Rambo is also fixated on one Eliabeth. It seems that his journey was arranged by one Lord Crudelta, a senior figure in the Instrumentality, which is some kind of galactic government. Thi Lord lands on Earth and starts a battle at the hospital, then is put on trial. Why? I don't recall. I'm afraid that this quite long story is not very clear to me. At the trial, Rambo describes his space-hopping experience in a way that is genuinely notable:

'I went down rivers which did not exist. I felt people around me though I could not see them, red people shooting arrows at live bodies [...] In the wintertime where there is no summer [...] Where crazy lanterns stared with idiot eyes. Where the waves washed back and forth with the dead of all the ages. Where the stars became a pool and I swam in it.' (169)

What this reminds me of is Bob Dylan's 'A Hard Rain's A Gonna Fall', c.1963 - the same year as the story's publication.

That concludes the stories that are part of Smith's elaborate future plan. The others are more free-standing. They tend to be closer to the present.

'Western Science is So Wonderful' (1958) depicts a Martian who can change shape, who is in China. He meets US, Soviet and Maoist troops, then departs from CT. I suppose the main idea is the Martian's cheery fascination with minor human technologies like cigarette lighters.

'Nancy' (1959) is another tale about new forms of space travel. One Gordon Greene is sent into space. Alone, he encounters a young woman, Nancy, who is 'every girl that you ever wanted. I am the illusion that you always wanted but I am you because I am in the depths of you' (195). The concept is about encountering your ideal as if it's real. After returning to Earth, Greene is told that Nancy isn't real, but he won't believe it. In italicised passages, a weeping Greene also later talks to a cousin: 'A man has got to be fearfully drunk to tell about a real life that he had and a good one, and a beautiful one and let it go, doesn't he?' (195). In some way he never gives up the illusion of the love of this woman. I think that Smith may be getting at something large and serious here, about belief, feelings, hope, though he can make his themes hard to get at through the tech paraphernalia.

'The Fife of Bodidharma' (1959) describes an ancient instrument that can bring utopia or disaster depending how it's played. The story ends on a cliffhanger as we don't know whether the fife's playing is about to bring disaster to the world. The story shares with others Smith's interest in ancient Eastern mysticism and in Nazi soldiers.

'Angerhelm' (1959) is set in the Cold War, and describes intrigues between the US and USSR over a secret message that has been discerned amid a tape of static. The message leads to the home of one Nelson Angerhelem in Minnesota. He can hear onthe tape what others cannot: a message from his late brother, speaking from purgatory or even a private 'hell' full of regret. He dictates it to the officials. The story might recall, say, PKD's Ubik, in which characters communicate beyond death.

'The Good Friends' (1963) is a short story describing, once again, a man who has returned from space and is being treated by medics. This is clearly a recurring trope, with all its implications. The spaceman describes how his last cruise came back with all his pals having a great time. The doctor then tells him that these pals are imaginary: 'You were alone in a one-man craft [...] You were starved, dehydrated and nine-tenths dead. The boat had a freeze unit and you were fed by the emergency kit [...] You didn't have any friends with you. They came out of your own mind' (238).

This is cold, but it isn't as bad as it might be, or as some other stories are. The fellow has survived, he was enabled by a pleasant illusion. But I do now see patterns. Smith has a fascination with extreme forms of space travel and their effect on body and mind. He's interested in versions of telepathy, which are crucial to his scientific future. He often uses medics and scientists as characters, who are dealing with damaged people and trying to revive them. The theme of telepathy often crosses with a theme of delusion - in 'The Good Friends', 'Nancy', perhaps 'Drunkboat' - illusions that make people happier or keep them going.

The book improves somewhat as it goes. I still can't make much sense of those early ones about Germans landing in the far future and meeting talking animals. The stories outside the 'Intrumentality' canon are, on the whole, easier for me to manage than the ones in it.

the pinefox, Thursday, 31 August 2023 10:46 (one year ago) link

Oh that book. I think what happened is that Ballantine/del Rey put all the really good stories in a Best of and then the book you just read is a Rest of. There was another pair of collections from Baen called We the Underpeople and When the People Fell that pretty much covered everything but which was then superseded by the NESFA Presses publication of The Rediscovery of Man: The Complete Short Science Fiction of Cordwainer Smith and Nostrilia along with a concordance.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 31 August 2023 11:42 (one year ago) link

I was thinking I didn't recognise many of those descriptions! I have "The Best of Cordwainer Smith", which I think is really the best stories and highly recommended. I read somewhere that a major theme in his writing was his Catholicism, and the idea that the characters are all in some way 'fallen'. Possibly he makes more sense when viewed through this lens?

Given that he worked in the psychological warfare department of the US military, it makes me wonder if they were all as barmy as he clearly was? Might explain a lot.

do I have to quote bowling for soup at you? (Matt #2), Thursday, 31 August 2023 12:21 (one year ago) link

There is even a pretty good audiobook of the Best of.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 31 August 2023 13:04 (one year ago) link


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