Wherein We Elect Our Favourite Novel Of The 1900's

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Kim is a love letter to the Indian subcontinent, but Kipling simply could not shake off his innate enthusiasm for British rule of India and it diminishes the effect of his love for the native people and culture.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 04:19 (seven months ago) link

Wharton is so devastating a novelist -- to a fault.

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 04:38 (seven months ago) link

do love kipling don’t love kim, not really.

bad confession - i have read neither the wharton or WHH. i think the wind in the willows is a strange and interesting book - pan sequence v much included - continuity of fin de siecle obsessions into the 20thC, that peculiar pastoral mode, a minor obsession for me.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 15 November 2023 17:10 (seven months ago) link

I've read three of these, and maybe The Phoenix And The Carpet (or just watched the TV show as a kid), and Wharton gets my vote.

Wharton is so devastating a novelist -- to a fault.

She'd be better if she were less devastating? She called the book House of Mirth, how many more laughs does one require?

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 16 November 2023 20:02 (seven months ago) link

You completely misunderstood me.

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 November 2023 20:14 (seven months ago) link

I've read all her long fiction except for some of the early '30s things, and occasionally her determinism results in rigged endings in which the suffering is the point; this doesn't apply to THOM. I made a general comment.

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 November 2023 20:15 (seven months ago) link

could've called it the house of mouse tho

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 16 November 2023 20:16 (seven months ago) link

Instant vote for Kim.

Lily Dale, Sunday, 19 November 2023 03:53 (seven months ago) link

Kim is a love letter to the Indian subcontinent, but Kipling simply could not shake off his innate enthusiasm for British rule of India and it diminishes the effect of his love for the native people and culture.

I agree that the enthusiasm is there, but I don't exactly find it diminishes the sense of love for India, because I think it comes in part from the wish-fantasy of fully belonging in India and never having left; he has to create this idealized version of India as multicultural wonderland with room for everyone and full acceptance of the British, because that's a version of India that has room for him, too - the alt-version of him who never got sent away.

Lily Dale, Sunday, 19 November 2023 04:16 (seven months ago) link

Correction: I guess idealized is not quite the right word. I wouldn't call his vision of India idealized, though it is definitely Kodachrome - I just meant his vision of the British in India.

Lily Dale, Sunday, 19 November 2023 04:26 (seven months ago) link

The House of Mirth is sitting right next to me, I'm currently towards the end of Book One. It's still too early to say if I would rank it above Lord Jim or Heart of Darkness.

So I'm a little underread to vote here. How does The House on the Borderland compare to The Night Land ? The latter was such a bizarre dreadful creation, a combination of nightmarish fantasy, primordial myth, and medieval romance. The general vision stuck to my mind, but I cannot say I enjoyed the repetitive parts and the love story.

Nabozo, Sunday, 19 November 2023 10:03 (seven months ago) link

It's the only one I've read, but House On The Borderlands is incredible, so that

...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Sunday, 19 November 2023 10:11 (seven months ago) link

Yeah I think I'm adding it to the list. I read The Night Land a long time ago, maybe I will be more sensitive to the poetry and influence. I also visited Ireland this year.

In the meantime I have quickly read upon Hodgson's interesting life story (seaman, bodybuilder, enlisted twice to WWI, very independent).

Nabozo, Sunday, 19 November 2023 10:23 (seven months ago) link

If you dig up the 1908 poll thread there's a fair bit of ppl saying they loved House On The Borderland and disliked The Night Land I think

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 19 November 2023 17:15 (seven months ago) link

Embarrassed to say that the only of these I've read is Heart of Darkness, and that not recently. I will abstain.

o. nate, Tuesday, 21 November 2023 14:21 (seven months ago) link

The Night Land is such a wonderfully bizarre creation, but it could have used a better editor.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 16:38 (seven months ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 00:01 (seven months ago) link

i always forget we have ILB for some reason, but anyway voted Jakob von Guten, it's just great -- in my top 20 books maybe

budo jeru, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 03:11 (seven months ago) link

even though i spelled it wrong, serves me right for posting with more enthusiasm than sense

budo jeru, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 03:12 (seven months ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Thursday, 23 November 2023 00:01 (seven months ago) link

an accolade on both their houses!

organ doner (ledge), Thursday, 23 November 2023 08:24 (seven months ago) link

Wherein We Elect Our Favourite Novel Of The 1910's

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 23 November 2023 10:27 (seven months ago) link


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