taking sides: friedrich durrenmatt vs. alain robbe-grillet

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which cubist author do you prefer?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

I was just complaining about Robbe-Grillet yesterday, when talking about how I had to read La Jealousie for a French Lit class -- the prof was really into him, but it was totally snoozy for me (and I wound up reading it -- well, mostly skimming it -- in English, since I was pressed for time). I haven't read Durrenmatt, though, or even heard of him, I think!

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

Ugh, Der Besuch der alten Dame was one of the set texts for my horror of a German A-level. We had to watch an excruciating video of it and were bored out of our minds. Andorra was my definitely my preferred play in 1993.

Of Robbe-Grillet's work, I've only read Djinn, again for an exam. The book has a Pereccy contrivance of becoming more gramatically complex with each chapter. At the beginning of the year, we were told we'd be set a passage from the book for translation, but not which passage. I don't know of anyone who bothered to read the book before the exam and thankfully we were set the first page (the simplest, gramatically - all present tense and whatnot). It was kind of a let-down that they were so easy on us. Shortly after I left it was in some league table as the best French department in the country (joint with Cambridge). Ho ho yeah right.

But to answer the question, based on knowledge of one work by each author, I choose AR-G.

Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 17 February 2006 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

Now I think about things, though, I wonder if I might actually quite like Der Besuch if I re-read it today.

Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 17 February 2006 10:27 (nineteen years ago)

I had Besuch... and Andorra as my German A-level texts too. And also preferred Andorra. Besuch... definitely wasn't as funny as it thought it was.

French A-level was MUCH better for the set texts (Jean De Florette! Camus!)

Mog, Friday, 17 February 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

FD is best known in the US for his play, "the visit," which was basis for the fantastic, new-wave-ish film "hyenas," by djibril diop mambety. both tell the story of a long-absent woman from a village who returns with unimagined wealth; the whole town foresees a new future and starts buying everything on credit... you can imagine how it ends.

FD most recently had out a Vintage paperback called "the assignment," which was a very recursive, strange, thin little book.

but what i like him best for is "the judge and his hangman," aka "der richter und sein henker," a story about a master criminal and the master detective who has chased him for decades. there is something about the solidity of details, and the impossibility of determining their relevance, that reminds me very much of AR-G, whose only book i've read is "the erasers," which i just finished last week.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

oh wait does "Der Besuch der alten Dame" mean "the visit" - i bet it does. i never really liked the play that much, either. that african film, though -- my lord!!

FD also wrote a stunning short story about a man who takes his morning train, which enters its customary tunnel, and simply never comes out the other side, despite going faster and faster and faster...

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, The Visit of the Old Lady. You missed out the crucial detail: she tells the village they can have her cash if somebody kills her ex. It gives a girl ideas for when she wins Euromillions.

Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

I used to love FD when I was 16-18, and his stock has been steadily declining since then. I think Lars Von Trier's abuse of Duhrenmatt devices has been the last nail in the coffin... So, R-G for me. (Although when I'm in the mood for obsessively microscopic insight, I tend to read early Nicholson Baker instead).

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

Durrenmatt's play "The Marriage of Mr. Mississippi" is one of the great misogynist pieces of art in the world. I wanted to stage this in college but I would have been freakin' pilloried and rightly so. So I did Albee's "Seascape" instead and people were like "why are there huge talking amphibians onstage?"

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 23 February 2006 06:01 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

Nice thread. Got hold of FD's The Execution of Justice, but I see that from the other Durrenmatt thread that this wasn't liked.

Really liked Grillet's 'Topology of a Phantom City' earlier this year, which I enjoyed but couldn't spend more time with, unfortunately.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 3 May 2008 13:46 (seventeen years ago)

i might like it better now! when i read it, i was comparing it with "judge and his hangman" and it suffered next to that.

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 4 May 2008 13:19 (seventeen years ago)


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