What books would you recommend for an absolute beginner on existentialism?

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So many to choose from, but it's hard to pick which ones are good to start with and which are for the more experienced readers. I know nothing on the subject other than the basic ideas; what would you recommend?

Lee is Free (Lee is Free), Thursday, 20 April 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

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Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 20 April 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

This will be published at the end of the month. The "Introducing..." series is fairly good at doing just that.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 20 April 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

Sartre's Existentialism and Humanism was the introductory text when I studied philosophy...

Ray (Ray), Thursday, 20 April 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe some Philip Larkin. Aubade is the best piece I've ever read on existentialism.

Beth Natale, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
Ok a non-frivolous answer (Aubade's one of my favorite poems, but come on; also Sartre's E&S is more an intro to Sartre's particular flavor of existentialism): I'd download off Slsk the Teaching Company's audio course on it, called, I think, No Excuses; it was better than my undergrad course on the subject

Otherwise maybe wait for the OUP's Very Short Introduction on it (it might already be out, actually)

Also here're a few choice morsels from a good bibliography:

Macquarrie, J. (1972) Existentialism, Philadelphia, PA: Westminster. (A dependable and clear survey of existentialist thought. Extensive bibliography listing older works on existentialism.)

Solomon, R.C. (1972) From Rationalism to Existentialism: The Existentialists and Their Nineteenth-Century Backgrounds, New York: Harper & Row. (The best account of existentialism in its historical context.)

Cooper, D.E. (1990) Existentialism: A Reconstruction, Oxford: Blackwell; 2nd edn, 1999. (An up-to-date and thorough survey of existentialist thought. Helpful bibliography.)

Guignon, C. (ed.) (2003) The Existentialists: Critical Essays on Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Heidegger, and Sartre, Lanham, MD: Rowman & Littlefield. (Scholarly essays by major Anglophone philosophers on four major representatives of the existentialist tradition.)

Guignon, C. and Pereboom, D. (eds) (1995) Existentialism: Basic Writings , Indianapolis, IN: Hackett Publishing Company. (Core texts by Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Heidegger and Sartre, with extensive introductions by the editors.)

Warnock, M. (1970) Existentialism, Oxford: Oxford University Press. (Clear exposition of the basic concepts.)

Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 07:20 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, for an absolute beginner I'd save the Guignon books for later--but not much later

Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 07:27 (nineteen years ago)

I like Camus way better than Sartre and I'd start with the Exile and the Kingdom stories (the Artist at Work), followed by the Myth of Sisyphus. On a more academic plane, I remember liking Walter Kaufmann's Existentialism from Dostoyevsky to Sartre. But I'm more of a Foucault-Deleuze person.

steve ketchup (steve ketchup), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

I'd download off Slsk the Teaching Company's audio course on it, called, I think, No Excuses

Yeep. I really thought that course was terrible. It was one of the first TTC lectures I couldn't make it through (although there have been more since).

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

is action philosophers like those cartoon "x --- for beginners" or "introducing x" volumes? like the kafka one with illos by r crumb? ... which man i must remember to buy.

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

Casuistry: really? what didn't you like about it? I think it surveys the big names/ideas pretty well, considering the format

Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

And to Steve: while I'm a far cry from a Foucault-Deleuze person (well, a Deleuze person at least), I too am way more of a Camus person than a Sartre person; I think, sometimes, that he should've stuck to literature

Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

It was years ago, so I don't really remember. I was frustrated that it treated novels as philosophic texts, and that it wanted to interpret everything that occurred in the novels as reflecting some statement about how the world works, instead of reflecting how the novel works.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

I know what you mean, but I wouldn't get too worked up about that; I think it's commonplace to treat existentialist novels in that fashion, if only b/c much of the existentialist corpus (sort of an imaginary, convenient, retroactively defined beast) was made up of literature and true-blue capital-P Philosophy in (at least) equal measure

Which is to say, from the philosopher's vantage, the literature as such gets subsumed; aesthetics and formal features of the novel, while important, take a backseat to the ideas

Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Thursday, 15 June 2006 04:40 (nineteen years ago)

OK, but the way things function in novels is entirely difficult from the way things function in "real life". Ideas that work in novels do not necessarily work in real life; in my more contentious moods I'd even go so far as to say that if it is a successful novel, then its ideas cannot apply to real life.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 15 June 2006 05:02 (nineteen years ago)

start with "existentialism from dostoevsky to sartre," edited by walter kaufmann. it's got all the major guys you need to know about.

camus is much more a humanist/journalist in the mode of orwell than he is an existentialist, but his three novels and all his essays are essential reading.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 15 June 2006 05:19 (nineteen years ago)

I definitely agree with you there, C.; I have to say, I am interested in your successful-novel-equals-impossible-application thesis! roughly, is your position that the (artificial) interior logic of well-constructed novel can't survive outside the construction itself (the natural "real" world)? b/c that'd be, well, contentious; it'd still make some sense

Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Thursday, 15 June 2006 05:48 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, that's basically my thoughts.

I've been reading these Jataka lately, stories that are supposed to be of the incarnations of the Buddha before his main life. They're basically little fables with moral lessons attached. Many of the stories are terrific, and some of the moral lessons are probably worth taking to heart, too. But the fables and the morals are just assertions. After all, you could imagine how, "in real life", something might have gone slightly different, and the fable would have ended up interpretable in a completely different way. Maybe the fox could have reached those grapes after all, and not worried about them being sour (to draw from a different set of fables).

And I'm going to argue that philosophy is not assertion, but rather the reasons attached to the assertion or the consequences of the assertion. And that fables might pretend to illustrate the reasons or the consequences of the assertions, they can do no such thing, because the logic of real life and the logic of narrative operate in totally different ways. Instead, fables are memorable ways for us to remember these assertions, which for completely other reasons (hopefully) we agree with, or which for completely other reasons (hopefully) we consider.

And those TTC lectures seemed really to want to use, say, the Stranger and its plot as evidence that added to the weight of Camus's philosophical assertions. And I just think the events in a novel can't count as empirical evidence (outside of the novel) no matter how good of a novel it is.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 15 June 2006 06:31 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm very interesting; I'm off to bed, but I'll try to reply tomorrow after work

(glad to meet you ILB folks, btw)

Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Thursday, 15 June 2006 07:36 (nineteen years ago)

I think Casuistry's point is a good one, but isn't all writing fiction anyway? No matter how rigorously an author tries to be empirical, the only "reality" any writing trying to make a point has is its eventual impact on its readers. Parables (whether buddhist or Zarathustra) are only another species (often more persuasive) of argument. Any philosophy is more an attempt to generate a specific reality than to describe one analytically, no matter what "scientific" trappings it drapes itself in. Since it's about thought (ideas) does it matter whether they're real or not?

steve ketchup (steve ketchup), Friday, 16 June 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, cut to the phone book being given to first year philosophy students as a core text.

DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 17 June 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

so what edition of the jakata would you recommend for an absolute beginner on, uh, buddhism.

(the notion of incarnating serious philosophical ideas in a novel doesn't bug me so much as a point of principle so much as it bugs me because it is kind of lame.)

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 17 June 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

I think Steve might be oversimplifying the situation, re philosophy generating a specific reality. Although, then again, historically, that's certainly what a lot of it tries to do.

Tom, I'll let you know when I find one. These are poorly proofread but more readable by far than the Rhys Davids edited Dover book of them I have. (And, "Jataka".)

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 17 June 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

DV, the phone book isn't written, it is compiled.

However, I wouldn't have phrased it quite as steve ketchup did in saying that all writing is fiction, but rather I would say that writing becomes memborable and eventful to the degree that it is artful. Both fiction and non-fiction employ rhetoric and the pose of objectivity and factuality is simply another rhetorical device toward the author's desired artistic goal, whether that goal is to teach, to persuade or to entertain. So, all writing is rhetorical, to the extent it has any viewpoint whatsoever.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 17 June 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

oops

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 17 June 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

i downloaded the teaching company's lectures on existentialism. i am liking it okay but i like casuistry re: the novel as philosphical text.

jeffrey (johnson), Sunday, 18 June 2006 01:53 (nineteen years ago)

Been a little busy over here

Anyhow, Casuistry: I'm unclear on your claims that "fables and the morals just assertions" and that 'philosophy is not assertion, but rather the reasons [etc.]"--mainly because I'm unclear about what assertion means to you. For instance, whether it's just a simple speech act in general vs. (to use another word that's vague-ish in the field) a proposition about something in the world. If it's either of those two, for example, your ... assertions wouldn't really be coherent, I don't think. Could you clarify a bit?

Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Monday, 19 June 2006 01:41 (nineteen years ago)

OK. In this case, I seem to be using "assertion" in the sense of: I am inventing evidence and then making a claim based on that evidence, and then saying that claim is valid beyond the scope of the evidence I have invented; the "proof" doesn't prove anything at all, and I might as well have just asserted the claim to be true because I say it is.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 19 June 2006 05:18 (nineteen years ago)

Aimless put it better than I did, rhetorical v. fictional.

Still, I wouldn't think one could profitably eliminate Zarathustra, Candide, Rassellas, or Plato's dialogues from the the texts of philosophy. I also don't see how ideas have "evidence" besides that they exist because someone thought and expressed them --regardless of method. Proof exists in logic and mathematics: philosophy, regardless of rigor, is ultimately opinion. I never got the impression that Camus or Sartre or any other existentialist was trying to prove anything, just communicate by one means or another their points of view.

steve ketchup (steve ketchup), Monday, 19 June 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't read Zarathustra or Rassellas. Candide doesn't seem remotely philosophical. The level of fiction in Plato doesn't serve as evidence for what is being discussed there, except at Plato's worst moments.

Philosophy, I think, isn't very good at setting up edifices, but it is very good at tearing them down.

You might want something out of philosophy that I'm not interested in, however. In which case, we can agree to disagree.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 19 June 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)


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